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The venerable D-100 is just fine thank you. It has a metal frame where the metal belongs. I've got about 50,000 shots on mine. Its been to the top of a bunch of mountains, been on 15000 miles of hikes and down a bunch of class 4 rapids. It to has never stoped or complained once.
andrea buso said:
Andrea.
waterskier said:
Looks like all 8 announcements are made. 1D MkII and 7 P&S cameras.

Looks like Canon has covered most of the lucrative bases.

They have a Panasonic Lumix competitor 3Mp and 35-380mm Panny has
a 2MP and a 4MP so Canon cut them down the middle.

They have a Sony 828 competitor 8Mp 28-200mm L series designated
lens to battle the Zeiss lens on the Sony. Same $999 price tag too.

And of course the 1D MkII to battle the D2H.

I'd say they are doing a really good job to answering people's wants.

Unfortunately I find myself in a lurch. I want to buy a camera
around April, but I want better AF than the 10D has.

I'm starting to wonder if I should look at a used 1D. Do you think
there is any chance I will be able to find one for close to $2000.
Right now I can't see buying a 10D when it will probably be
replaced a few months after I buy. The Nikon D70 looks like a
decent stop gap that I could use for a year or two and keep because
of it's P&S AUTO program modes that my wife and kids could use it .
I can go cheap on the lenses and not worry about my kids grabbing
the good stuff later. Or I could get a 300D which doesn't seem to
be nearly as nice a camera, but I could buy nice accessories for a
future camera with it.

The scary part is that two or three years from now I'm sure that
most of the middle of the road cameras will be great compared to
what it at the top end right now.
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Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300, 80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro
 
....and think.
My critic on plastic was just about cosmetic. What else should it be!

Not about the camera falling a part after few weeks, because it is made of plastic.
I have three pro MF body made of plastic and had a couple made of metal.
Those made of plastic looks much more abused than the metal ones.

And some allignment on the plastic parts it is not as perfect as it was when new.

I had severals Nikon made of plastic and I used them a lot, they were working perfectly but looked like a wreck.
When you resell your cameras that counts.

The magnesium of the D1 series and 10d does not even get the black off, at least on mines and it has ben out and around several times.

Andrea.
KenEis said:
andrea buso said:
Andrea.
waterskier said:
Looks like all 8 announcements are made. 1D MkII and 7 P&S cameras.

Looks like Canon has covered most of the lucrative bases.

They have a Panasonic Lumix competitor 3Mp and 35-380mm Panny has
a 2MP and a 4MP so Canon cut them down the middle.

They have a Sony 828 competitor 8Mp 28-200mm L series designated
lens to battle the Zeiss lens on the Sony. Same $999 price tag too.

And of course the 1D MkII to battle the D2H.

I'd say they are doing a really good job to answering people's wants.

Unfortunately I find myself in a lurch. I want to buy a camera
around April, but I want better AF than the 10D has.

I'm starting to wonder if I should look at a used 1D. Do you think
there is any chance I will be able to find one for close to $2000.
Right now I can't see buying a 10D when it will probably be
replaced a few months after I buy. The Nikon D70 looks like a
decent stop gap that I could use for a year or two and keep because
of it's P&S AUTO program modes that my wife and kids could use it .
I can go cheap on the lenses and not worry about my kids grabbing
the good stuff later. Or I could get a 300D which doesn't seem to
be nearly as nice a camera, but I could buy nice accessories for a
future camera with it.

The scary part is that two or three years from now I'm sure that
most of the middle of the road cameras will be great compared to
what it at the top end right now.
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Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro
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I disagree.......Unless the MK II is $3000....

Expect 1D to remain near $3000 if MK II is $4500 NOw that is.....

as of 12-2004 I expect all bodies to be reduced by $500

IMHO

Mark
waterskier said:
Maybe it's just me, but I can't see people spending $3000 on a used
camera ESPECIALLY when they were going for $2700 new before they
were gone.

Sorry this is a FAST depreciating technology.

By the end of the year, they will be lucky to bring $1800.
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and not only to me.

I would not sell mine, if I had one, below 2700$. But I would not buy one for more than 2000$. If you have one, keep it.

I'm ready to spend the 4500$ for the markII, which will be worthed to keep for a while.

3K for something that is good, but it won't be as good as soon you put the pics next to the mark II ones, well it does not even cross my mind.

Then, that must be just me.
Andrea.
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Mark Keller said:
Expect 1D to remain near $3000 if MK II is $4500 NOw that is.....

as of 12-2004 I expect all bodies to be reduced by $500

IMHO

Mark
waterskier said:
Maybe it's just me, but I can't see people spending $3000 on a used
camera ESPECIALLY when they were going for $2700 new before they
were gone.

Sorry this is a FAST depreciating technology.

By the end of the year, they will be lucky to bring $1800.
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Mark Keller said:
I disagree.......Unless the MK II is $3000....

Expect 1D to remain near $3000 if MK II is $4500 NOw that is.....

as of 12-2004 I expect all bodies to be reduced by $500
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Over two years the 1D went from over $5000 to $2700. For most of the second year it sold for about $3600.

So if they start the 1D Mk II at $4500. At the end of two years it could be down to $2500.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 1D Mk II drop by $500 in 6 months and $1000 by the end of the year just following history.
 
andrea buso said:
Andrea.
Mr Majestyk said:
andrea buso said:
As you pointed out Canon counter attacked the opposition on all
fronts.
Opposition of 10d is very weak. S2 is more expensive and does not
have better features and has same quality (not for me). The new
Nikon d70 is not there yet and who knows exactly when. It is a good
camera but still it is not up to the same quality of the 10d (i'm
sorry D100 it is not as well) and it is made of plastic. Yes
plastic, and that counts. I have a 10D with 10.000 shots on it and
still looks like when it came out of the box. A plastic camera
after few outing it is not tha same anymore.
Then the 10d has better sister than the d70, therefore is a better
starting point.
Until the 10d will not have any strong opposition, there will not
be upgrades. Maybe in 3 months things will change, but not yet.

Andrea.
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Wow, I'll have to remember that my EOS 3 looks like cr*p now I've
taken it out of the box and shot with it. Damn that evil Canon for
foisting cheap plasticky rubbish on me. Lucky you pointed this out
as my camera could fall apart at any moment. Must remember plastic
is weak, metal is strong.
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waterskier said:
Mark Keller said:
I disagree.......Unless the MK II is $3000....

Expect 1D to remain near $3000 if MK II is $4500 NOw that is.....

as of 12-2004 I expect all bodies to be reduced by $500
Click to expand...
Over two years the 1D went from over $5000 to $2700. For most of
the second year it sold for about $3600.

So if they start the 1D Mk II at $4500. At the end of two years it
could be down to $2500.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 1D Mk II drop by $500 in 6
months and $1000 by the end of the year just following history.
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andrea buso said:
The D70 still looks pretty hugly and old fashion designed, Mybe
was still designed by Giugiaro, for him everithing should look as
an F3. Plus the sensor is not as good as the Rebel one. Image
quality count as well.
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Ugly and old fashion design? ;-) It is matter of taste and preferences. There are lot of people enjoying the design of Nikon cameras and ergonomics. And it's too early to tell something about image quality. Nobody has tested the production sample.

Rumpis :o)
 
Business is so easy, and sometimes painful.

i do not expect any price drop from canon as long as there is no competition out there. why is the 1DS still so expensive without any move since almost a year? nikon has to follow up, only competition will require them to move on. i am so disspaointed by nikon as they are not able to compete with canon - which is really bad for us consumer.

in the digital pro slr space, canon is a kind of monopol in my mind.

the 1D just got cheaper because canon had to get rid of the bodies to prepare the launch for 1d II...
waterskier said:
Mark Keller said:
I disagree.......Unless the MK II is $3000....

Expect 1D to remain near $3000 if MK II is $4500 NOw that is.....

as of 12-2004 I expect all bodies to be reduced by $500
Click to expand...
Over two years the 1D went from over $5000 to $2700. For most of
the second year it sold for about $3600.

So if they start the 1D Mk II at $4500. At the end of two years it
could be down to $2500.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 1D Mk II drop by $500 in 6
months and $1000 by the end of the year just following history.
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Markus said:
i do not expect any price drop from canon as long as there is no
competition out there. why is the 1DS still so expensive without
any move since almost a year? nikon has to follow up, only
competition will require them to move on. i am so disspaointed by
nikon as they are not able to compete with canon - which is really
bad for us consumer.

in the digital pro slr space, canon is a kind of monopol in my mind.

the 1D just got cheaper because canon had to get rid of the bodies
to prepare the launch for 1d II...
waterskier said:
Mark Keller said:
I disagree.......Unless the MK II is $3000....

Expect 1D to remain near $3000 if MK II is $4500 NOw that is.....

as of 12-2004 I expect all bodies to be reduced by $500
Click to expand...
Over two years the 1D went from over $5000 to $2700. For most of
the second year it sold for about $3600.

So if they start the 1D Mk II at $4500. At the end of two years it
could be down to $2500.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 1D Mk II drop by $500 in 6
months and $1000 by the end of the year just following history.
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