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I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with established studios for team and individual shots but no one is taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic director that would help me out) and get very good at these opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4 megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
 
It will serve you well for many years . That's my perspective as someone in about your same position skill wise who wants to be a "prosumer/ serious photo hobbyist"

For anyone not a professional ... it's features are overkill already.

The D2h is a PRO camera IMO and you;d be better served with the D70 .... learning and shooting and growing .

Then if you become good enough that you want to step into the professional realm ... there will probably be stuff that puts the D2H to shame at that point.

Test a D70 out if your not in a hurry , when they come out . If it seems to be not enough ... then go for a higher model. I'm guessing with it's advanced features and room to grow , it will be more than sufficient.

That is ... if it lives up to the hype.
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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Hi Gary

I don't have a DSLR at present, but I have shot soccer. In fact, aside from some ancient football shots, its the only sport I've done. I shot with a film camera with no motor drive and manual focus. I would say that either camera would be fast enough, depending on the lens and whether or not you use a tripod (I didn't). I was in a camera club at the time and shot my employer's soccer team on the weekend. I got 2 images published in the company newsletter.

I would wait if I were you for some images and reviews of the D70, but from here it looks like a winner (and my be my first DSLR).

Cheers.
 
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games.
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Get the D70 because you will need a pretty high budget on lenses. I would suggest 70-200/2.8 and maybe 28-70/2.8, either Nikon or Tamron.

If you plan to shoot indoors have a look at some fast primes (50/1.4 and/or 85/1.4 or 1.8)

If you are good, you don't even need a motor drive, just to press the shutter at the right moment :-)

Yours,

Radu Grozescu

http://www.RaduGrozescu.com
Corporate & Editorial Photography
 
Radu,

Interesting recommendation for lenses. I say interesting because I have had a Sigma 28-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 lense for a few years that I have made a few feeble attempts to sell. I used these with my N70. I imagine the newer made ones are better but I am hoping these are still of very good quality. I have always been decent at capturing the peak of action and I know if I try harder I can do better. Here is a gallery of some basketball games I have been shooting for fun.

http://lobopics.smugmug.com

I know I need to do a better job on composition and exposure. The introduction of the D70 along with the lenses I already have are making it a no brainer as far as getting a dslr. I had been giving the D100 some thought but it was at a price point that would have caused hard feelings from my wife if I bought it. The D70 is not cheap by anymeans but for a dslr it appears to be a great value and this is the camera I should start with and then see what happens with future models.

I was experimenting with my Sony 828 at an indoor soccer arena and I could shoot at 250 shutter speed at 800 asa so I think the Sigma lenses I have would work well enough.

Thanks for all the opinions - they are greatly valued.

Gary
Radu Grozescu said:
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games.
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Get the D70 because you will need a pretty high budget on lenses. I
would suggest 70-200/2.8 and maybe 28-70/2.8, either Nikon or
Tamron.

If you plan to shoot indoors have a look at some fast primes
(50/1.4 and/or 85/1.4 or 1.8)

If you are good, you don't even need a motor drive, just to press
the shutter at the right moment :-)

Yours,

Radu Grozescu

http://www.RaduGrozescu.com
Corporate & Editorial Photography
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In sports like soccer, basketball and volleyball, the athletes move fast. In order to catch the best shots, a high speed continous shooting rate will come in handy. When an action moment approaches. start shooting continously during the contact moments, and you will have captured the entire sequence. This'll give you several 'decisive moment' shots to choose from, and you can sell different shots to different outlets (like one to the school, another to the paper, and a third to the parents.)

For this type of sport-shooting the 8 fps D2h will be a dream, but at 3fps, the D70 will certainly be a budget alternative. You will want a long lens, and VR on a monopod looks like a winner. Good luck and have fun!
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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Odd that you ask, I did a side by side comparison of continuous shooting of a D70, D2H and Canon 300D today

(yes honestly I kid you not)

the D2H is of course in another class, but the D70 shooting Fine JPEG was surprisingly fast and only slowed down a few times while holding the shutter release down for a full minute. This was very impressive. Shooting RAW it was quite a bit slower but still continuous for the same amount of time. (I didn't test to see how long it would keep going)

This was a real world test so I did not use a stop watch to see exactly how many frames per second. It will do the job for you (the D100 does not have this ability)

The Canon 300D was not able to keep up with the D70.

[email protected]

http://dpmac.com
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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George Mann

http://dpmac.com
 
I did not think there were any production models yet, or did you get a hold of a preproduction model. Oops! did not recognize signature. Looking forward to more in depth reviews of the D70.

Thanks - Gary
georgemann said:
(yes honestly I kid you not)

the D2H is of course in another class, but the D70 shooting Fine
JPEG was surprisingly fast and only slowed down a few times while
holding the shutter release down for a full minute. This was very
impressive. Shooting RAW it was quite a bit slower but still
continuous for the same amount of time. (I didn't test to see how
long it would keep going)

This was a real world test so I did not use a stop watch to see
exactly how many frames per second. It will do the job for you (the
D100 does not have this ability)

The Canon 300D was not able to keep up with the D70.

[email protected]

http://dpmac.com
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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Pre-production D70 but I expect that the final version will be the same or better for continuous shooting.

As I said - odd that you ask - since I just ran this test today

George
gstepic said:
Thanks - Gary
georgemann said:
(yes honestly I kid you not)

the D2H is of course in another class, but the D70 shooting Fine
JPEG was surprisingly fast and only slowed down a few times while
holding the shutter release down for a full minute. This was very
impressive. Shooting RAW it was quite a bit slower but still
continuous for the same amount of time. (I didn't test to see how
long it would keep going)

This was a real world test so I did not use a stop watch to see
exactly how many frames per second. It will do the job for you (the
D100 does not have this ability)

The Canon 300D was not able to keep up with the D70.

[email protected]

http://dpmac.com
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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George,

I hope you don't mind this question. I bought a Sony 828 and have been able to get some fairly nice shots for 8x10s after running it through neat image. Should I see a very noticable difference in sharpness with the D70 since the noise should be much better at even 1600 asa than the Sony at 800. I am assuming running it through any noise reduction program reduces the sharpness somewhat. From all the post I have read it appears the answer should be an easy yes but there have been some threads that make it appear the D70 may have noise issues. I know I can't take all the posts too seriouslly and there may be some with agendas but from what you have seen do you think the quality will be at least as good as the D100, if so this should be very acceptable. I am probably asking for a prereview review LOL! I probably just need to be patient as I am sure there will be plenty of qualified information coming out shortly (BUT I AM NOT PATIENT!).

Thanks again - Gary

PS: What even sparked my interest in the D2H was the Nikon brochure for this camera. The whole piece had nothing but great sports shots while the brochure for the D100 didn't have any. My mind starts to overthink things like this!
georgemann said:
As I said - odd that you ask - since I just ran this test today

George
gstepic said:
Thanks - Gary
georgemann said:
(yes honestly I kid you not)

the D2H is of course in another class, but the D70 shooting Fine
JPEG was surprisingly fast and only slowed down a few times while
holding the shutter release down for a full minute. This was very
impressive. Shooting RAW it was quite a bit slower but still
continuous for the same amount of time. (I didn't test to see how
long it would keep going)

This was a real world test so I did not use a stop watch to see
exactly how many frames per second. It will do the job for you (the
D100 does not have this ability)

The Canon 300D was not able to keep up with the D70.

[email protected]

http://dpmac.com
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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http://dpmac.com
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http://dpmac.com
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I wonder why no one has mentioned one of the most important items to consider when contemplating purchasing a camera used for sports photography - shutter lag time.

Sure, you can hold the shutter release down on a camera when a sequence starts and hope you get a good frame or two. But shutter lag time is of the utmost importance, in my opinion, when it comes down to capturing that one instant when the play or action is at its peak.

This is one of the primary reasons I bought the D2H and pretty much retired my D100 to backup status when it came to shooting sports. What you see in the viewfinder is pretty much what you get when you press the release on a D2H. On the D100, what you see in the viewfinder is pretty much what you wished you had gotten when you press the release. For many types of photography this is of little importance. But for sports it is critical.

Before you sign up to buy a D70, look carefully at the shutter lag time in the specs. And try out a D100 to see if you can live with that much shutter lag. If the D70's lag is similar, you'll know what to expect. In my opinion, the D2H is at the top of the heap in terms of shooting sports action (in terms of responsiveness at least. I'll leave the noise issues for another time). Zolton
 
George,

Sorry for the ignorance, but what are the limitation on a pre-production camera?, is it fuly functional or you are limitied to certain futures only?, because if it is fully fiunctional, you would be the most popular person in DPREVIEW and let us know what kind of quality pictures you get witht D70 ...also, as a curiosity, how did you manage to have this pre-production beast??
Eric
georgemann said:
As I said - odd that you ask - since I just ran this test today

George
gstepic said:
Thanks - Gary
georgemann said:
(yes honestly I kid you not)

the D2H is of course in another class, but the D70 shooting Fine
JPEG was surprisingly fast and only slowed down a few times while
holding the shutter release down for a full minute. This was very
impressive. Shooting RAW it was quite a bit slower but still
continuous for the same amount of time. (I didn't test to see how
long it would keep going)

This was a real world test so I did not use a stop watch to see
exactly how many frames per second. It will do the job for you (the
D100 does not have this ability)

The Canon 300D was not able to keep up with the D70.

[email protected]

http://dpmac.com
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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Zolton,

Shutter lag was a huge issue to me when I bought my Sony 828 (I replaced a Fuji S602). With the Sony I have not had a difficult time at all getting a player at the top of their jump shot. I think this is the best prosumer camera as far as lag and I can't imagine the D100 being worse. From specs I saw somewhere (Steves Digicam reviews?) I believe the lag is going to be a little better with the D70. I think I will start out with the D70 and I feel I can't lose. If I start getting more aggresive trying to make money then I will need another camera body anyway. The D2H will probably be even better by then (or whatever it will be called), maybe a little cheaper, and my wife may be more supportive of the purchase. Trust me, this last factor is a huge consideration!

Gary
Zolton Cohen said:
I wonder why no one has mentioned one of the most important items
to consider when contemplating purchasing a camera used for sports
photography - shutter lag time.

Sure, you can hold the shutter release down on a camera when a
sequence starts and hope you get a good frame or two. But shutter
lag time is of the utmost importance, in my opinion, when it comes
down to capturing that one instant when the play or action is at
its peak.

This is one of the primary reasons I bought the D2H and pretty much
retired my D100 to backup status when it came to shooting sports.
What you see in the viewfinder is pretty much what you get when you
press the release on a D2H. On the D100, what you see in the
viewfinder is pretty much what you wished you had gotten when you
press the release. For many types of photography this is of little
importance. But for sports it is critical.

Before you sign up to buy a D70, look carefully at the shutter lag
time in the specs. And try out a D100 to see if you can live with
that much shutter lag. If the D70's lag is similar, you'll know
what to expect. In my opinion, the D2H is at the top of the heap in
terms of shooting sports action (in terms of responsiveness at
least. I'll leave the noise issues for another time). Zolton
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1. This was a pre-production model so no pictures taken are available

2. No answers on noise issues - same reason - everybody will have to wait a few more weeks

3. Question was whether the camera would do the job for high school soccer not professional sports coverage. Yes the D70 will do the job and better than the D100.

4. I have a D2H sitting in front of me on my desk as I write this, there is no question that it has less shutter lag, better continuous frame rate, better everything. It is a better camera but also much more expensive (and heavier). (I will use the D70 to photograph my own son's sports events)

5. For work involving action I prefer the D2H, for every day pictures I will use the D70 myself.

6. I write articles on computers and camera equipment so I have access (sorry but I was not supposed to talk about it at all for another couple of weeks).

George - http://dpmac.com
eric guzman said:
georgemann said:
As I said - odd that you ask - since I just ran this test today

George
gstepic said:
Thanks - Gary
georgemann said:
(yes honestly I kid you not)

the D2H is of course in another class, but the D70 shooting Fine
JPEG was surprisingly fast and only slowed down a few times while
holding the shutter release down for a full minute. This was very
impressive. Shooting RAW it was quite a bit slower but still
continuous for the same amount of time. (I didn't test to see how
long it would keep going)

This was a real world test so I did not use a stop watch to see
exactly how many frames per second. It will do the job for you (the
D100 does not have this ability)

The Canon 300D was not able to keep up with the D70.

[email protected]

http://dpmac.com
gstepic said:
I am planning on shooting youth soccer and other sporting events as
well as high school basketball and volleyball games. My main goal
is to be able to justify the purchase of quality equipment and
maybe make a few bucks per week on the average with my camera. It
seems like from the little research I have done there is a lot of
competition for team photos and high schools have contracts with
established studios for team and individual shots but no one is
taking action photos of the athletes.

I have a limited budget and I also have time demands for other
things in my life. What I would like to do is pursue a few
opportities (maybe just one or two high schools and a few youth
soccer teams because I do know some coaches and an athletic
director that would help me out) and get very good at these
opportunities and then when I retire in six years get more serious
about making a few more dollars.

So my question is - would a D2H be overkill at this point? I am
leaning toward the D70 because my wife would only kill me once for
this purchase where I may die many deaths if I get the D2H. What
would this camera do for me that the D70 (I will assume it is
similar to the D100) will not and will this even make a noticable
difference in the situations I have described. I don't think I need
to take the gobs of pictures per minutes the D2H takes but maybe it
is a valuable feature. My biggest concern about the D2H is the 4
megapixels because I would like to make some nice 16x20s for a few
special situations. In my mind I think of the D2H as more of a
press camera but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

Gary
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George,

Thanks for anwering the questions. I have just one more concerning the ability to shoot at 3200 or 6400 asa. There was a thread stating this camera had the ability to shoot at these modes but I wonder how. If I am not mistaken the D2H has a setting that allows for pushing the sensitivity. I have not seen anything in any press releases that states the D70 has these settings. This is important to me because some gyms have very poor lighting and a cleaned up noisy image is better than no image at all.

If there are no setting on the D70 could the same thing be accomplished by shooting in the raw mode underexposed, then correcting the exposure in post processing? Or is there an actual setting that allows to push the sensitivity of the D70?

Thanks - Gary
 
Ed Lake said:
Hi Gary

I don't have a DSLR at present, but I have shot soccer. In fact,
aside from some ancient football shots, its the only sport I've
done. I shot with a film camera with no motor drive and manual
focus. I would say that either camera would be fast enough,
depending on the lens and whether or not you use a tripod (I
didn't). I was in a camera club at the time and shot my employer's
soccer team on the weekend. I got 2 images published in the company
newsletter.

I would wait if I were you for some images and reviews of the D70,
but from here it looks like a winner (and my be my first DSLR).

Cheers.
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