The 828 and why I want to try Canon now.

I'd wait to check out the new Power Shot Pro 1 on Monday before feeling fourced to check out the 300D. It will have 28-200 range with the equivalent of Canon L glass:

http://www.d7userforum.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4466

-James
I got an 828 yesterday and took several shots with it to see how it
would turn out. I was very disapointed in the amount of CA in the
shots. Almost all of the shots had some PF/CA.

YES, I was aware that there was a CA/PF issue with this camera BUT
I decided to try it myself so that people wouldnt say "WHY DONT YOU
TRY IT BEFORE CRITICIZING!!"

I didnt go look for REALLY shiney objects to test it out on. I took
a picture of my book case with DVD's and books on it and the CA was
jsut horrible IMHO.

Here is where I am torn.

I love Sony.
I love the swivel body
I love the way the camera feels in my hands
I love the live preview

BUT, I hate the CA and PF.

I think I will buy the 300d, try it out and if I find the Sony
better, I can always buy that as well.

Maybe I will buy one of each...

I am COMPLETELY new with Canon. Can someone tell me a good ZOOM
lense? as well as one that would take good indoor/portrait shots.

Christin
 
james-montana wrote:
I'd wait to check out the new Power Shot Pro 1 on Monday before
feeling fourced to check out the 300D. It will have 28-200 range
with the equivalent of Canon L glass:

http://www.d7userforum.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4466
james,

I heard the same thing about the Pro1 having L series glass...14 elements with flourite...

The link you provided is a Swedish (?) Minolta forum with a photo of the new Minolta A2...where on that site did you see any info on the Canon Pro1?

Thanks,

Bob

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"The discussion whether the 8MP dissolution needs it is surely technically justified. But from marketing considerations it did not go probably more differently. The Sony is already at the market, Nikon comes with a 8MP-Kompakten, Fuji the S7000 already introduced and pushes for Canon also still one after, which aims exactly at the A1 (and/or the "their pictures not to be shown may"). 8MP, 28-200 (KB) a zoom shot (as the picture looks manual) has and is approx.. 1200 euro cost The Colorfoto has with last messages by the way completely official pictures of the new Minoltas (Z2, a2 and XG printed."
http://www.d7userforum.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4466

-James
I got an 828 yesterday and took several shots with it to see how it
would turn out. I was very disapointed in the amount of CA in the
shots. Almost all of the shots had some PF/CA.

YES, I was aware that there was a CA/PF issue with this camera BUT
I decided to try it myself so that people wouldnt say "WHY DONT YOU
TRY IT BEFORE CRITICIZING!!"

I didnt go look for REALLY shiney objects to test it out on. I took
a picture of my book case with DVD's and books on it and the CA was
jsut horrible IMHO.

Here is where I am torn.

I love Sony.
I love the swivel body
I love the way the camera feels in my hands
I love the live preview

BUT, I hate the CA and PF.

I think I will buy the 300d, try it out and if I find the Sony
better, I can always buy that as well.

Maybe I will buy one of each...

I am COMPLETELY new with Canon. Can someone tell me a good ZOOM
lense? as well as one that would take good indoor/portrait shots.

Christin
 
Hello everybody, just thought I'd still my oar in here. :-)

Christin,

Here are some general pointers based mostly upon what I have read. Feel free to ignore me and go your own way, if you like.

Going to Africa with a 300D:

The kit lens is great value and will give you the wide angle for the majestic vistas. If money is no object, swap it for Canon 17-40L (~$600) or try the Sigma 12-24 for really sweeping vistas.

Next, you want a long zoom for the lions.
Some things to remember here :

You are going to be in a vehicle (most of the time), so weight isn't as important as it might be, and you can't get out to zoom (in or out) with your feet (or they will eat you :-)).

Going up through a range of lenses:
~$200
Canon 75-300 USM - fast focus, slightly soft above 200mm with some CA.
Sigma 70-300 APO - sharp at 300mm, slower focus.

~$400
Canon 75-300 IS - better for handholding, still soft above 200mm
Canon 70-200/f4L - sharp, but short
Sigma 135-400

~$800
Sigma 50-500 - long zoom, but heavy

~$1200
Canon 100-400L IS - expensive, not as long as above, but IS.

Consider your budget and distance requirements. And don't forget power and storage.

If it was me and I was going on a "once in a lifetime" trip to Africa, I'd stump up for one of the last two (Forget the Sony and get both :-)) and one of those double bean-bags for leaning out of your nice, safe vehicle.

Oh, yes. You said you wanted a portrait lens. If you come back from Africa as poor as a church mouse, the Canon 50/1.8 is only $70.

Have a great holiday.

Neil Marsh.
 
Very interesting list. Quite handy, but you need to move the "Canon 70-200/f4L - sharp, but short" to another category like this:

~$580 Canon 70-200/f4L - sharp, but short

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If I find a nice subject (rare animal or so) I can get about 200 to 300 in less than 45 mins. And that's mainly in the same circumstances and similar camera settings except that the subject moves around. So I'm not that surprised by someone really trying to test the camera. More subjects, different lighting conditions, different settings on the camera.
You act like I didnt test in other situations.

I have had the 828 for 36 hours and taken 1000 shots. and a lot
more than bookshelves.
1000 shots in 36 hours? That is a LOT!

Did you get some sleep too during shooting?

LOL ;)
 
The kit lens is great value and will give you the wide angle for
the majestic vistas. If money is no object, swap it for Canon
17-40L (~$600) or try the Sigma 12-24 for really sweeping vistas.
And don't forget panoramic stitching for that "once in a lifetime" vista. Just make sure to keep the camera level and give yourself generous shot-to-shot overlap. Software can fix all parallax (nodal point) errors and barrel.
Next, you want a long zoom for the lions.
Going up through a range of lenses:
~$200
Canon 75-300 USM - fast focus, slightly soft above 200mm with some CA.
Sigma 70-300 APO - sharp at 300mm, slower focus.
The 100-300 USM is also still available for $279 - sharper than the 75-300 long, and faster with ring USM, but still could show some CA in high contrast situations. I'm looking forward to trying this one as a replacement for my APO, but I have low tolerance for CA.
~$800
Sigma 50-500 - long zoom, but heavy
If ever a lens had "Africa" written all over it at a
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Just noticing this post and the instantaneous willingness to overanalyze and tear apart peoples' messages. Come on people! Most folks write here in haste and eagerness about topics they're very exited about. This f& %ing camera has been out a few months and you're all high holy photography gods? Jeez, back off and just answer the questions or move on.

I'd like to offer my personal apologies to "ChristineH", who's questions seemed perfectly genuine and valid to me.

As for my opinions on extra lenses for the 300D and the consumer shooter, I'd take either the 1 lens fits all or 2 lens strategy. For the former, The Canon 28-135IS seems to be a great choice for those not willing to sacrifice the image quality of going to an all-in-one 28-200 or 28-300 (although that's the cheapest option). For the 2 lens, a combo of a fast 28-70/75mm f/2.8 (Tamron, Sigma, Tokina) plus a decent 70-200/300mm f/ 4-5.6 (Canon, Sigma, Tamron) seems to be pretty popular. You can get into such 2-lens sets starting at ~$500.

Or if you really get sick of Canon people, look at the D70 with it's very attractive spot meter and 18-70mm lens.

Good luck!
 
I had a F717 and it broke, I replaced it with the 300D and have
found that the only thing I really miss is the holograf assist. In
my opinion the 300D images are far better than the Sony and I have
far more keepers now as well. Mind you I am quite the amature, I
mainly take pictures of the kiddies and kiddie related events.
After one month with the 300D I already feel the need for a longer
lens so the cost of the camera is going to increase by $200 to $400
depending on my choice.
Your 200 - $400 new telephoto lens does NOT increase the cost of your camera. It is an investment. 2 years from now you can sell the 300D body and upgrade........keeping all your glass. Or you could look at it this way.........the $400 you spend today will make your next body much cheaper.

Photography has suprisingly little to do with cameras; but indeed almost everything to do with the person behind the camera.
 
If the swivel body and live preview are deal breakers for you,
check out the Sony F717. It doesn't suffer from CA nearly as much
as the 828. You'll have to live with lower resolution, no CF slot,
and some other downgrades, but it's still a nice camera. As long
as you never need to shoot past 190mm.

It's also much cheaper than either hte 828 or 300D. I think it's
around $600 these days, which should cover the Memory Stick price
gouging. :)

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