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New 828 and some bad news
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ChristinH
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Holdswort, however, typifies a long line of 828 detractors who like to sit around, scratching their asses, thinking of negative things to say about cameras when they could get their asses off this forum and take a picture.
I apologize to legitimate STF posters for stooping to personal attacks, but Holdswort started it.
Why can't we just post pics, trade tips and get great shots.
It's like boys with small equipment standing around arguing about their sports cars, while the real men go out and get dates!
Let the 828/Great/Hate Debate die.
Just let it die.
Take pictures, for F@#$% sake!!!!
Jantzen
http://www.pbase.com/jantzen
828-ing, and loving every minute of it!
Jantzen
http://www.pbase.com/jantzen
828-ing and loving every minuute of it!!!
I apologize to legitimate STF posters for stooping to personal attacks, but Holdswort started it.
Why can't we just post pics, trade tips and get great shots.
It's like boys with small equipment standing around arguing about their sports cars, while the real men go out and get dates!
Let the 828/Great/Hate Debate die.
Just let it die.
Take pictures, for F@#$% sake!!!!
Jantzen
http://www.pbase.com/jantzen
828-ing, and loving every minute of it!
--you must "select" only the areas you want fixed.
here, try it on this photo:
Jantzen
http://www.pbase.com/jantzen
828-ing and loving every minuute of it!!!
Look how that 22 second "fix" took all the coloring out of other areas in the picture, like the blue book with the red/purple title located just below the largest PF affected area. The red/purple text is now grey.
Paul
Paul
i think you'll be happy when you try it on some real shots. that
said, it took 22 seconds to fix that shot (which wasn't horrible
to begin with) in photoshop (can do it the same way in paintshop
pro, too) using shay's pf action.
fixed
original
--I apologize to legitimate STF posters for stooping to personal
attacks, but Holdswort started it.
Why can't we just post pics, trade tips and get great shots.
It's like boys with small equipment standing around arguing about
their sports cars, while the real men go out and get dates!
Let the 828/Great/Hate Debate die.
Just let it die.
Take pictures, for F@#$% sake!!!!
Jantzen
http://www.pbase.com/jantzen
828-ing, and loving every minute of it!
--you must "select" only the areas you want fixed.
here, try it on this photo:
Jantzen
http://www.pbase.com/jantzen
828-ing and loving every minuute of it!!!
Jantzen
http://www.pbase.com/jantzen
828-ing and loving every minuute of it!!!
HILLARIOUS! Like you way!
Markus Rayford
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Why not just buy a camera that works instead of a very poorly performing piece of cool looking junk?
Markus Rayford
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Yes, - god forbid that the irrational, overemotional and useless dinnerconversations should occasionally be interrupted by more coldheaded, rational and objective reasoning!
Andy Williams
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i should have taken 60 seconds and done it right. read the other posts i made here.
sorry to post a bad fix and sorry to confuse the issue.
sorry to post a bad fix and sorry to confuse the issue.
JPLane
Leading Member
It is funny how fast the posts get nasty.
Sony defenders immediately assume that Sony detractors are lying and stirring the pot. Joerg wrote a response that was reasonable and his integrity is questioned and he is called a simpleton for not using Photoshop.
Another good one from a Sony defender was that the original poster should have known about the CA/PF errors, implying they shouldn't have bought the thing.
But, isn't everyone always saying try the 828 and see if it works for you?
Meanwhile, the Sony detractors are in full gear, too. Some of their comments are mean spirited and hateful. Some are pure childishness.
Not Evil Eggplant's, though. He makes a reasonable point and everyone here knows he uses Sony gear and bought and tried an 828.
I think the 828 works wonderfully in a lot of areas and has some faults in others. I don't think discussing the praises or the faults is terrible, though. It informs those of us who are trying to make decisions on what to purchase. We learn the cameras limitations and its abilities.
Why can't we be civil? If something is re-hashed and you don't like it, don't post. It will fall to the bottom of the message que and be gone.
I want to take pictrues of my son's indoor hockey. The Sony lovers - Do you think the 828 is the right camera for me?
Sony defenders immediately assume that Sony detractors are lying and stirring the pot. Joerg wrote a response that was reasonable and his integrity is questioned and he is called a simpleton for not using Photoshop.
Another good one from a Sony defender was that the original poster should have known about the CA/PF errors, implying they shouldn't have bought the thing.
But, isn't everyone always saying try the 828 and see if it works for you?
Meanwhile, the Sony detractors are in full gear, too. Some of their comments are mean spirited and hateful. Some are pure childishness.
Not Evil Eggplant's, though. He makes a reasonable point and everyone here knows he uses Sony gear and bought and tried an 828.
I think the 828 works wonderfully in a lot of areas and has some faults in others. I don't think discussing the praises or the faults is terrible, though. It informs those of us who are trying to make decisions on what to purchase. We learn the cameras limitations and its abilities.
Why can't we be civil? If something is re-hashed and you don't like it, don't post. It will fall to the bottom of the message que and be gone.
I want to take pictrues of my son's indoor hockey. The Sony lovers - Do you think the 828 is the right camera for me?
D P O'neil
Senior Member
Well I respectfully disagree, with the amount of PF being shown and the amount of cameras being returned, even you must be able to see their is a problem here.
I know of no good photographers here that are
Well perhaps not as silly as some.
They are enjoying a great camera and producing great
Why is it that everyone who dares to tell the truth is "bashing" your camera. The Poster (remember HER) is having a problem with HER 828, just like many other people have, which is why you are seeing such discontent and why strangely enough lots of owners have decided to return their faulty goods as is their right.
If your attitude is to place your head in the sand then fine, but don'y "bash" every poster who has a problem with his or her camera.
Relax PMA is just around the corner.
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'lifes too short to drink bad wine'
bauerman
Senior Member
I agree with another poster that stated something to the effect that returning the cam can be a good idea because it does show Sony that we are not happy with the results and that we are not ready to accept them as the "norm".
Why should we as a set of consumers be expected to "work around" faults in a product? Isn't that just sending the message to Sony that what they have produced is ok and we are willing to live with these levels of PF? I'm not sure we will ever get the products we hope for if we simply take what we are given in every instance and "make it work".
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Bauerman
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
Why should we as a set of consumers be expected to "work around" faults in a product? Isn't that just sending the message to Sony that what they have produced is ok and we are willing to live with these levels of PF? I'm not sure we will ever get the products we hope for if we simply take what we are given in every instance and "make it work".
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Bauerman
http://www.bauerman.Galleries.photoshare.co.nz
Ken Morris147054
Senior Member
Hi Ulysses,
I was reading your post and wonder why you think...
I do own an external flash for the 717. It comes out whenever I want to ensure proper lighting. But in many cases, I don't use it because some of the moments I try to capture are fleeting and I don't have the time to set it up.
I definitely agree with you as to dSLR's, but not so sure about the other types.
Thanks
Ken
I was reading your post and wonder why you think...
I find that I use my onboard flash on all of my cameras at one time or another because they are convenient (especially for the p10 - which is so tiny a external flash wouldn't work since the camera is so small.)
I do own an external flash for the 717. It comes out whenever I want to ensure proper lighting. But in many cases, I don't use it because some of the moments I try to capture are fleeting and I don't have the time to set it up.
I definitely agree with you as to dSLR's, but not so sure about the other types.
Thanks
Ken
s k u l p t118025
Senior Member
Quick fixes are fine but sloppy. Look what you killed in the shot by using the quick fix. To do these things properly, you need to take time. Especially one that has this range of colors. Quick fixes can be good for some things, but can also ruin a whole load of images if you just blindly accept them. Same thing with NR profiles. It's better to profile each image or else you're losing detail. In this case, you've killed some color detail. Look especially at the figure on tv.
I don't mind it when these actions get released. They can be quite helpful. But I hate it when people make them seem like there are no implications of using them, and then people think that they can be applied across all images via batch processing with no loss. It's misleading.
Brian
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I don't mind it when these actions get released. They can be quite helpful. But I hate it when people make them seem like there are no implications of using them, and then people think that they can be applied across all images via batch processing with no loss. It's misleading.
Brian
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D P O'neil
Senior Member
kopper
Leading Member
The ONLY way to let a company know that their product is unacceptable, is to return it. I regret having to say that after an S70, 707, and current 717, but the truth is that Sony needs to get them back in order to get the message that poor products not only don't seel, they get returned.
Your purchase gives you the opportunity to vote, by keeping it OR returning it. Your call.
(I voted by cancelling my pre-order after four days of using my brothers new 828)
kopper
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Your purchase gives you the opportunity to vote, by keeping it OR returning it. Your call.
(I voted by cancelling my pre-order after four days of using my brothers new 828)
kopper
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s k u l p t118025
Senior Member
--I don't mind it when these actions get released. They can be quite
helpful. But I hate it when people make them seem like there are no
implications of using them, and then people think that they can be
applied across all images via batch processing with no loss. It's
misleading.
Brian
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EF Telephoto Lenses Compared:
http://skulpt.com/articles/telephotolenses/
Graphic Design Directory: http://www.adigitaldreamer.com
My Portfolio: http://skulpt.com
-------------------------------------------
EF Telephoto Lenses Compared:
http://skulpt.com/articles/telephotolenses/
Graphic Design Directory: http://www.adigitaldreamer.com
My Portfolio: http://skulpt.com
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