Got my new T1!

gho · Feb 5, 2004

This was taken in a darkened room about 20' from the subject:

T1 tele flash ISO100:

T1 wide flash ISO100:

T1 wide flash ISO200:

T1 wide flash ISO400:

For comparision P5 shots:

P5 tele flash ISO100:

P5 wide flash ISO100:

Notice that the subject is moving and not standing still. Also notice, no camera shake.

Hope 'yall find this somewhat useful.
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c3pio · Feb 5, 2004

Note that when you set the flash on in the T1 and other digicams.
The shutter speed is automatically 1/40 sec. This is why there is
no shake. But turn off the flash and 1 second exposure under
low light can produce shake. But then in fairness to the T1,
other models such as P10, V1 can also shake with low exposure.
This is because even a micro movement can produce large
effect on the picture. The solution to this is to set the aperture
wider (like F2.8 or below) and increase the ISO.. something
which dSLR can do very well. My wish list is the development
of super sensor that is noise free and so sensitive to light it
can put the dSLR in small package like the T1 with similar
picture quality.. perhaps give or take 50 yrs from now (or
sooner)?

matt

gho said:
Notice that the subject is moving and not standing still. Also
notice, no camera shake.

Hope 'yall find this somewhat useful.
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rick66883 · Feb 5, 2004

gho said:
This was taken in a darkened room about 20' from the subject:

T1 tele flash ISO100:

T1 wide flash ISO100:

T1 wide flash ISO200:

T1 wide flash ISO400:

For comparision P5 shots:

Hi ,

Really nice photos and nice daughter, your lucky! Are you sure you think the p-10 is better. I had the p-10 and while I don't like to use flash there seems to be a bit more detail on the T-1.

gho said:
P5 tele flash ISO100:

P5 wide flash ISO100:

Notice that the subject is moving and not standing still. Also
notice, no camera shake.

Hope 'yall find this somewhat useful.
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rick66883 · Feb 5, 2004

gho said:
you first have to be in program mode.

1) Press the camera menu button.
2) Press Left until you reach the camera icon
3) Push up to change from "Auto" to "Program"
4) A world of options should open up, press Right until the second
to last icon (supposed to look like a knife)
5) push up to select (-)

There you go.

Hope this helps some.

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Hi ghul,
Hi ,

Really nice photos and nice daughter, your lucky! Are you sure you think the p-10 is better? I had the p-10 and while I don't like to use flash there seems to be a bit more detail on the T-1.

rick66883 · Feb 5, 2004

gho said:
you first have to be in program mode.

1) Press the camera menu button.
2) Press Left until you reach the camera icon
3) Push up to change from "Auto" to "Program"
4) A world of options should open up, press Right until the second
to last icon (supposed to look like a knife)
5) push up to select (-)

There you go.

Hope this helps some.

Gregory
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Oops I meant Gregory sorry.

gho · Feb 5, 2004

rick66883 said:
Really nice photos and nice daughter, your lucky!

Thank you!

rick66883 said:
Are you sure you think the p-10 is better. I had the p-10 and while I don't like to
use flash there seems to be a bit more detail on the T-1.

If you are referring to the samples I posted (i.e., flash in big room), these were shot with my p5 (3.2mp).

But, looking side by side of the same type of picture taken with my (former) p10 and the T1, the p10 does have less noise - but the difference is oh, so slight.

Assuming you have the p10, my advice:

If you want similar image qauality and
if you want something smaller than the p10, then the T1 is for you
if you want something faster than the p10, then the T1 is for you

if you want something with a larger screen and a bigger "wow" factor, then the T1 is for
you.

If you want better image quality and

if you dont care about the size (i.e., p10 is a perfect fit or you) then the T1 is not for
you.

If you don't have the p10 but are happy with the p10's quality, you won't be disappointed in the T1.

If I still had my p10, I would do a side-by-side comparison for you ala phil. But alas, my p10 is no more. Perhaps I can ask my friend to borrow it back for a few days so I can run some tests.
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gho · Feb 5, 2004

c3pio said:
Note that when you set the flash on in the T1 and other digicams.
The shutter speed is automatically 1/40 sec. This is why there is
no shake. But turn off the flash and 1 second exposure under
low light can produce shake.

I think I see what you are getting at. Without flash, yes there will be shake in low light situations, and as you stated, this is true for any camera. If you are taking 1 second exposures, even subject movements will cause blur.

c3pio said:
But then in fairness to the T1,
other models such as P10, V1 can also shake with low exposure.
This is because even a micro movement can produce large
effect on the picture.

Very true, but does not render a camera "useless" The lack of a tripod socket can make things challenging (requires creative solutions), but its not insurmountable. Also if they did put a tripod socket in, I would be cautious using it. You know how thin the camera is. A slight knock while on the tripod could cause some serious damage.

c3pio said:
The solution to this is to set the aperture
wider (like F2.8 or below) and increase the ISO.. something
which dSLR can do very well. My wish list is the development
of super sensor that is noise free and so sensitive to light it
can put the dSLR in small package like the T1 with similar
picture quality.. perhaps give or take 50 yrs from now (or
sooner)?

You have pretty high standards. More power to you! Meanwhile, you may want to look at the dreble and/or the D70. Not exactly small, but good bang for the buck - lighter than you may think too.
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c3pio · Feb 5, 2004

The only advantage of the P10 over the T1 is the LCD of the P10
is much crisper and sharper (see the other message). Also the
lens of the P10 is faster at F2.8. Good for low light as the shutter
speed can increase by 2/3. Also the P10 has tripod mount. The
T1 movie is very good though and near camcorder quality.

matt

gho said:
gho said:

Really nice photos and nice daughter, your lucky!

Click to expand...

Thank you!

gho said:

Are you sure you think the p-10 is better. I had the p-10 and while I don't like to
use flash there seems to be a bit more detail on the T-1.

Click to expand...

If you are referring to the samples I posted (i.e., flash in big
room), these were shot with my p5 (3.2mp).

But, looking side by side of the same type of picture taken with my
(former) p10 and the T1, the p10 does have less noise - but the
difference is oh, so slight.

Assuming you have the p10, my advice:

If you want similar image qauality and
if you want something smaller than the p10, then the T1 is for you
if you want something faster than the p10, then the T1 is for you
if you want something with a larger screen and a bigger "wow"
factor, then the T1 is for
you.

If you want better image quality and
if you dont care about the size (i.e., p10 is a perfect fit or you)
then the T1 is not for
you.

If you don't have the p10 but are happy with the p10's quality, you
won't be disappointed in the T1.

If I still had my p10, I would do a side-by-side comparison for you
ala phil. But alas, my p10 is no more. Perhaps I can ask my
friend to borrow it back for a few days so I can run some tests.
--
Gregory

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netgarden · Feb 6, 2004

Tough decision. I was admiring the t1 photos also. But the V1 has a few more options, that depending what you want the camera for. Both take great pics, my V1 is about the right size, but it would have to be a pretty big pocket, smile. I throw it in my purse, and the bag is small. Its a nice piece of machinery. If I had a perfect larger camera, I probably would have the P10 or T1 to compliment. If the only camera you are going to own, I'd say the V1. Good luck!

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sakura · Feb 6, 2004

If I just set the Red-eye Reduction to On permanently in order to avoid the red-eye, will it make any difference if it were not turned on? Will the photo quality be better?

gho · Feb 6, 2004

For those who haven't seen the T1 in person yet, I took some size comparison photos for you guys.

My lineup:

T1 vs 707 - notice how clearly you can see the image on the T1 display as opposed to the 707's display:

T1 vs Samsung S307 phone (this is a really small phone)

T1 vs Samsung S307 on their backs:

T1 vs Sierra Mist can

Hope you find these helpful. I have some sample
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gho · Feb 6, 2004

sakura said:
If I just set the Red-eye Reduction to On permanently in order to
avoid the red-eye, will it make any difference if it were not
turned on? Will the photo quality be better?

You might get slightly less red-eye with red-eye reduction (I don't use it because I find it annoying, I'd just rather correct it later). Using red-eye reduction makes the camera send out a series of pulses before taking a flash shot. This will drain your battery quicker, but has no affect on the image quality iteself (other than reducing red-eye). If you are taking flash pics of inanimate objects, you sould turn off red-eye reduction to conserve battery power.
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gho · Feb 6, 2004

That bulge of a lense cover does present a bit of a problem, eh?

I think I've found the perfect solution - Its clear, its hard, its solid, there's almost no movement inside, and its cheap:

Its's a VHS-C case!

Depending on the case, some doors are more solid than others. Also
some, when you open them up let you prop up the tape. I'll have to
look some more.
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gho · Feb 6, 2004

Focus & flash in complete darkness:

Macro & flash:

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sakura · Feb 6, 2004

What's the difference between them? With regards to picture quality and ideal use?

sakura · Feb 6, 2004

How do you do post processing of red-eye in PS?

gho · Feb 6, 2004

sakura said:
How do you do post processing of red-eye in PS?

1) Use the eydropper tool and pick black (the red comes from light reflecting off the back of the eyeball - the cornea showing thru the pupil: this normally appears black, so choosing black is fine).
2) zoom in on the eye so it fills the screen
3) Choose the paintbrush tool and choose the appropriate brush size.
4) click on the center of the glowing red orb and its gone!

Most photoediting programs have this feature built in - its a common problem with smaller digicams.
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gho · Feb 6, 2004

sakura said:
What's the difference between them? With regards to picture quality
and ideal use?

Macro lets you take pictures closer than the standard focusing range. If your subject is too close and you get an OOF pic, then switch on macro and it will focus up to 8cm. If in this mode, you should use the spot AF mode for best results. This mode is ideal when your subject is close but you don't need it to appear larger than life.

Sample in macro mode (about 30cm from subject):

Magnifying glass mode turns the camera into a magnifying glass - almost microscopic. You can focus as close as you can get your lense to the subject. This is ideal for when you want to see all the details - a lot of fun.

Sample in magnifying glass mode (camera pressed up against the computer screen as far as it will go - full size, no post processing - its a © symbol):
http://www.pbase.com/image/25804595
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Jilson · Feb 6, 2004

It is one week since I had my Sony T1. I am very happy with the camera so far. Considering its size, it does an excellent job. I compared the results with some other 5MP cameras. (Not Sony). DSC T1 gives more accurate colours in similar situations.

The posts by Gregory were very helpful to me especially regarding the red eye and the case. Thank you very much.
Jilson

ometofu · Feb 6, 2004

Just got my T1 for wife yesterday... and no sony case is available anywhere yet... this is a cool idea....

gho said:
That bulge of a lense cover does present a bit of a problem, eh?

I think I've found the perfect solution - Its clear, its hard, its
solid, there's almost no movement inside, and its cheap:

Its's a VHS-C case!

Depending on the case, some doors are more solid than others. Also
some, when you open them up let you prop up the tape. I'll have to
look some more.
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