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I am a happy Fuji Finepix 4900 owner who has been hoping Fuji would come out with something like the new S20 Pro, but the price of this thing is a JOKE!

The body, lens, and controls are EXACTLY like the S602 and S7000 ... just with a new Super CCD SR for increased dynamic range, but LOWER resolution than the S7000.

And Fuji expects me to pay $999 for THIS? Heck, I wouldn't pay $699 for this camera!

Do you really think the average consumer is going to buy a 3mp camera for $999 when they can get an 8mp camera for the same price? The average consumer doesn't give a $#!+ about "dynamic range."

I've seen the many image samples from the Super CCD SR, and the increased dynamic range is NOT at the level that makes it worth a $1000 price tag. I can get just as much (if not more) dynamic range by recording an image on a digical camera that records RAW files and then messing with the image in Photoshop.

I really want to like this camera ... I REALLY DO, but come on Fuji! Get a clue!
Azrifel said:
Great, more dynamic range.

But still, I had expected a lot more. At least a larger SCCD, not
the small one. A new lens to got with it. I am so not interested.

The S3 isn't that appealing either.

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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
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rustedborg said:
Do you really think the average consumer is going to buy a 3mp
camera for $999 when they can get an 8mp camera for the same price?
The average consumer doesn't give a $#!+ about "dynamic range."
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If you're commenting on the state-of-the-art at this site, you shouldn't
be "the average consumer". Advances in image quality come in many
forms -- pixel counting is not what it's about.
rustedborg said:
I really want to like this camera ... I REALLY DO, but come on
Fuji! Get a clue!
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Fuji has put the emphasis where it belongs. This camera and
the S3 renews my respect for Fuji.

Darrell
 
What I find most interesting about the forum commentary, about the announcement of the release of the S20 Pro, is how little of it there is. Normally, after the announcement of a new camera , in this segment of the market, these fora are abuzz with numerous and lengthy threads discussing the new camera's pros and cons. Viewing the offerings on these fora, this morning, considering the inroduction of a new model, in the hottley contested "prosumer" market, and, especially after the days of "super news on Februsry 5" pre-announcements, the lack of reaction to this camera introduction (when compared to previous camera announcements) seems astounding.

It seems Fuji had better hope that tests and reviews of this camera yield some wonderful findings, because the interest (or lack thereof) that there seems to be in this announcement, indicates that many among us view this introduction as going over like a lead balloon.

Cliff
 
$999 and no AF assist and just minor improvements in the same shell? I don't think so! I'll keep my 602, and save my money for Nikon D70 thank you very much!
-Roger
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chris gunn said:
jkirk@oz said:
First opinions -
PROS -
  • I DEFINITELY like the bigger and faster buffer (circular?)
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Probably just dble the size eh?
Very nice though! I find I'm about 1/2s too slow in taking my
finger off the shutter.
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Could it be it has same speed and size of S7000 buffer and it's faster just because images are smaller? (highest res = 6Mp)
Antonio
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Promaster 5750 flash
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Yes Chris. I guess that you were by far the closest in predicting what sorta kitten Fuji would pull out of the sack.

Like you, I'm intrigued by the wider sweet spot of the S7 lens.

Given, that it is exactly the same lens that we've used since the 4900, and for which it was optimally designed (Fujinon are no laggards in designing top quality lenses), I wonder if it is just simply down to the marginally smaller sensor matrix, which will use none of the outer areas of the lens?

We all know that, even in very fast and expensive top-brand lenses, there may be considerable drop-out (on a logarithmic scale), toward their rim.

We can also look forward to a vast reduction in aberrations for the same reason; not that these are a large problem, anyway.

For me, the biggest leap forward, is that Fuji are quietly acknowledging Kirky's assertion, that fly-by-wire is possible in their sub-DSLR cameras.

I'd really love Fuji to emigrate to Melbourne, with Cap'n Jim at the helm. Then, we'd perhaps, get more of the engineering excellence, and less of the marketing hype.

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batty.
 
I think Fuji is not playing with full deck. Goofed again. It can't be PRO series and if it is for Consumer. Average consumer looks for easy to use. (1) Low light focusing (no AF assist lamp) (2) Dedicated Flash to use TTL auto flash. (3) Highr zoom (10x or 12x) (4) Price

These were the primary cocerns with s602. Then came 5000 and 7000 still not all concerns answered and Now S20???????
CliffB said:
What I find most interesting about the forum commentary, about the
announcement of the release of the S20 Pro, is how little of it
there is. Normally, after the announcement of a new camera , in
this segment of the market, these fora are abuzz with numerous and
lengthy threads discussing the new camera's pros and cons. Viewing
the offerings on these fora, this morning, considering the
inroduction of a new model, in the hottley contested "prosumer"
market, and, especially after the days of "super news on Februsry
5" pre-announcements, the lack of reaction to this camera
introduction (when compared to previous camera announcements) seems
astounding.

It seems Fuji had better hope that tests and reviews of this camera
yield some wonderful findings, because the interest (or lack
thereof) that there seems to be in this announcement, indicates
that many among us view this introduction as going over like a lead
balloon.

Cliff
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CliffB said:
What I find most interesting about the forum commentary, about the
announcement of the release of the S20 Pro, is how little of it
there is.
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We've anaesthetised them all, Cliff.

Thank Glod for that!

Can you remember the posting frenzy that accompanied the announcement of the 602? And the 6900 before that.

I guess that we are in for a message storm, when the camera(s) actually hit the shops.

In the meanthyme, we can happily poddle along, with pictures from Morris and Cassandra to ease our furrowed brows.

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batty.
 
Keep your rusty drawers tightly drawn around your head, dear rustedborg.

No consumer item ever hits the streets at the MRRP, so it's not worth bursting a blood-vessel over notional prices. What would YOU regard as a suitable street price for the S20Pro?

You're a happy 4900 user, which, in my book, makes you a VERY dedicated photographer.

Give the new Fuji cameras a chance, you might be VERY pleasantly surprised (but don't EVER pay MRRP).

--
batty.
rustedborg said:
The body, lens, and controls are EXACTLY like the S602 and S7000
... just with a new Super CCD SR for increased dynamic range, but
LOWER resolution than the S7000.

And Fuji expects me to pay $999 for THIS? Heck, I wouldn't pay $699
for this camera!

Do you really think the average consumer is going to buy a 3mp
camera for $999 when they can get an 8mp camera for the same price?
The average consumer doesn't give a $#!+ about "dynamic range."

I've seen the many image samples from the Super CCD SR, and the
increased dynamic range is NOT at the level that makes it worth a
$1000 price tag. I can get just as much (if not more) dynamic range
by recording an image on a digical camera that records RAW files
and then messing with the image in Photoshop.

I really want to like this camera ... I REALLY DO, but come on
Fuji! Get a clue!
Azrifel said:
Great, more dynamic range.

But still, I had expected a lot more. At least a larger SCCD, not
the small one. A new lens to got with it. I am so not interested.

The S3 isn't that appealing either.

--
Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
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paulmac said:
So, my S7000 arrives tomorrow.... and Fuji releases a 'better'
camera that will probably end up costing the same today!!

Great.

But should I care??? Sounds like there might be a couple of
features that would be handy, but the main thing I'm interested in
is will the SR CCD be that much better than the HR CCD in the S7000
to make me wish I bought the S20 pro?? I guess until we get to see
some sample pics we won't know.

And could someone PLEASE WORK OUT HOW TO HACK THE S7000
FIRMWARE!!!! Surely someone somewhere much know for sure if the
firmware is writable and if so, how to hack it. Then maybe we can
get the 'extra features' (jpeg compression options etc)everyone
seems to want for the s7000(and Fuji doesn't want to give!). I can
get hacked firmwares for virtually every piece of hardware in my
computer so I live in hope (ha!) that one day I'll be able to get
the same for my s7000.

regards

paulmac
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Why don't we S7000 owners petition Fuji for a firmware update? Would they listen? They should if they want us to buy from them again!

Of course it's just a matter of software, there's no reason that the S7000 needs to compress the hell out of everything.. sort of defeats the purpose of having a big 6MP CCD. I should have bought the D60...
 
rustedborg said:
I've seen the many image samples from the Super CCD SR, and the
increased dynamic range is NOT at the level that makes it worth a
$1000 price tag. I can get just as much (if not more) dynamic range
by recording an image on a digical camera that records RAW files
and then messing with the image in Photoshop.
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You can record raw with this camera... and hopefully use the increased dynamic range. There are several people that think F700 doesn´t use the twin pixel facility properly so someone has made a program to take the raw from it and successfully increased the dynamic range by hand. I am sure fuji has learned their lesson now!
/ Magnus
 
rustedborg said:
I am a happy Fuji Finepix 4900 owner who has been hoping Fuji would
come out with something like the new S20 Pro, but the price of this
thing is a JOKE!

The body, lens, and controls are EXACTLY like the S602 and S7000
... just with a new Super CCD SR for increased dynamic range, but
LOWER resolution than the S7000.

And Fuji expects me to pay $999 for THIS? Heck, I wouldn't pay $699
for this camera!

Do you really think the average consumer is going to buy a 3mp
camera for $999 when they can get an 8mp camera for the same price?
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As I understand it, the S20 Pro is a 6mp camera, not 3mp. Sure it uses two sets of 3mp sensors, but it's true 6mp, just like the S7000.

It doesn't have less resolution than the S7000 if you discount the "fujiterpolation" mode of the 12mp in the S7000 which is not a true resolution. The S7000 is really a 6mp camera (something people still haven't understood yet).

What gets me is everyone was complaining about noise at 6mp on the S7000 and now they get a camera that might make a better quality 6mp, everyone's moaning again.

Still, it's seems a standard thing to do when a new camera comes along. I say just wait until people start using it and then judge.

However, I agree on the price, especially when you look at the likes of the Nikon D70 DSLR for a similar price.

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batty said:
No consumer item ever hits the streets at the MRRP, so it's not
worth bursting a blood-vessel over notional prices. What would YOU
regard as a suitable street price for the S20Pro?
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Around 600 euro inc VAT / USD 600 ex VAT.

This year the dSLR wars will break loose (Canon vs Nikon vs probably Olympus could push 300D to USD700, D70 to USD800-900). Sony, Nikon and others introduce 8mp camera's (I don't like their quality mind you) that will compete and drive prices down for those below USD800.

No doubt that the S20 price will come down considerably as well. The only new feature on this body is the CCD and an improved buffer. Come on, who are they kidding. What was the price of the S7000 in manufacturer lingo? How much did that come down?

(And no, I am not shopping for a Rebel, but for a 10D or D100 or S3 when the price is right, with a strong interest in the 10D because of Canon's lens line-up. I don't hate the S20, it is just way too expensive and offers not enough body and lens improvements)

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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
 
DeadKenny said:
As I understand it, the S20 Pro is a 6mp camera, not 3mp. Sure it
uses two sets of 3mp sensors, but it's true 6mp, just like the
S7000.
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No, it still has 3 million pixelsites. It makes 3mp images, just as big as those of the S602. It combines 3 million S sensors with 3 million R sensors to make one 3 million pixel image. (Rotapolated up to 6mp, just like the F700 and S602. The sensors in the S20 and the F700 are the same. The F700 is no 6mp camera either.

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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
 
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