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I think the release of the S3 Pro shows a lot of promise. Fuji is definitely making quite a few advances in the area of sensor and processing technologies. I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily their sensors and Fuji's big weakness clearly is the body (sourced from Nikon). I would think a combined Nikon, Fuji would be a great company, combining the sensor/processing technology of Fuji with the body/lens technology of Nikon.

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er, the S3 is a fuji sensor and a Nikon body/lens. Just the wrong body. 12Mp in a F100, that would be the camera that would mean I no longer needed to frequent DPR...
Joo said:
I think the release of the S3 Pro shows a lot of promise. Fuji is
definitely making quite a few advances in the area of sensor and
processing technologies. I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily
their sensors and Fuji's big weakness clearly is the body (sourced
from Nikon). I would think a combined Nikon, Fuji would be a great
company, combining the sensor/processing technology of Fuji with
the body/lens technology of Nikon.

Joo

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Yes... I know its a Nikon body/lens... but they have to source the body from Nikon. And so far it looks like they don't have access to Nikon's Pro bodies. I think both companies would benefit from the merger as I think Fuji has what Nikon is lacking and Nikon can provide the Pro bodies that Fuji is lacking (and so far has not been able to get from Nikon).

Joo
DMillier said:
Joo said:
I think the release of the S3 Pro shows a lot of promise. Fuji is
definitely making quite a few advances in the area of sensor and
processing technologies. I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily
their sensors and Fuji's big weakness clearly is the body (sourced
from Nikon). I would think a combined Nikon, Fuji would be a great
company, combining the sensor/processing technology of Fuji with
the body/lens technology of Nikon.

Joo

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Joo said:
Joo
DMillier said:
Joo said:
I think the release of the S3 Pro shows a lot of promise. Fuji is
definitely making quite a few advances in the area of sensor and
processing technologies. I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily
their sensors and Fuji's big weakness clearly is the body (sourced
from Nikon). I would think a combined Nikon, Fuji would be a great
company, combining the sensor/processing technology of Fuji with
the body/lens technology of Nikon.

Joo

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blame the equipment. :)



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Joo said:
And so far it looks like they don't have access to
Nikon's Pro bodies.
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As far as certain people with a little bit of insider knowledge tell this is not true. Nikon is ready to sell whatever body someone wants - it all comes down to price. And probably R&D costs for the sensor are so high for Fuji that they can't afford to use a more expensive body.
Do you remember the Kodak DCS760? Wasn't that in an F5 body?
Joo said:
I think both companies would benefit from the
merger as I think Fuji has what Nikon is lacking and Nikon can
provide the Pro bodies that Fuji is lacking
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I guess - uninformed as I am - that this will not happen in a near future. Thom Hogan has said the same thing recently. He called the idea even "absurd". Maybe if one day Nikon will go bankrupt due to Canon taking over world dominion they may not have another choice. Until then they will stay 2 companies.

regards, Bernie
 
According to Gary Fong the Nikon body is no longer an issue:

"There has been some mis-reports that the camera is based on an N80 body, and this isn't true. It's a body designed by Fuji to hold the Nikon lens mounts and accessories."

Cheers,

Mark
Bernie Ess said:
Joo said:
And so far it looks like they don't have access to
Nikon's Pro bodies.
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As far as certain people with a little bit of insider knowledge
tell this is not true. Nikon is ready to sell whatever body
someone wants - it all comes down to price. And probably R&D costs
for the sensor are so high for Fuji that they can't afford to use a
more expensive body.
Do you remember the Kodak DCS760? Wasn't that in an F5 body?
Bernie Ess said:
I think both companies would benefit from the
merger as I think Fuji has what Nikon is lacking and Nikon can
provide the Pro bodies that Fuji is lacking
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I guess - uninformed as I am - that this will not happen in a near
future. Thom Hogan has said the same thing recently. He called the
idea even "absurd". Maybe if one day Nikon will go bankrupt due to
Canon taking over world dominion they may not have another choice.
Until then they will stay 2 companies.

regards, Bernie
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But what would be the additional cost of using a F5 equivalent body as opposed to an N80 equivalent body? Maybe increase the cost by $1500? I would think there would be a market for a Fuji SuperCCD DSLR in a pro body at the $4000 price point.

Joo
Bernie Ess said:
Joo said:
And so far it looks like they don't have access to
Nikon's Pro bodies.
Click to expand...
As far as certain people with a little bit of insider knowledge
tell this is not true. Nikon is ready to sell whatever body
someone wants - it all comes down to price. And probably R&D costs
for the sensor are so high for Fuji that they can't afford to use a
more expensive body.
Do you remember the Kodak DCS760? Wasn't that in an F5 body?
Bernie Ess said:
I think both companies would benefit from the
merger as I think Fuji has what Nikon is lacking and Nikon can
provide the Pro bodies that Fuji is lacking
Click to expand...
I guess - uninformed as I am - that this will not happen in a near
future. Thom Hogan has said the same thing recently. He called the
idea even "absurd". Maybe if one day Nikon will go bankrupt due to
Canon taking over world dominion they may not have another choice.
Until then they will stay 2 companies.

regards, Bernie
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Joo said:
But what would be the additional cost of using a F5 equivalent body
as opposed to an N80 equivalent body? Maybe increase the cost by
$1500? I would think there would be a market for a Fuji SuperCCD
DSLR in a pro body at the $4000 price point.
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Well, better not the F5 but the F100 body. F5 is very very heavy, and way more expensive than the F100. The F100's weight is about 750g, hardly more than the S2....
But what ever, this is just dreaming away, wont happen this time.

regards, Bernie
 
Bernie Ess said:
Well, better not the F5 but the F100 body. F5 is very very heavy,
and way more expensive than the F100. The F100's weight is about
750g, hardly more than the S2....
But what ever, this is just dreaming away, wont happen this time.
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Somebody ought to do an F100 based DSLR. Between Nikon, Fuji, and Kodak, no one has explored this. The incremental cost of F100 over N80 is $600. How many people would pay an extra $600 over the D100/S2/14n cost for that F100 AF system, rugged body, pc sync terminal, bright viewfinder, 1/300 sec flash sync (even without a CCD that can do "electronic shutter).

If Fuji had laaunched that last year, even without a single electronic ocmponent improvment over an S2, it would have cut seriously into the D1X sales.

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Bernie Ess said:
Joo said:
And so far it looks like they don't have access to
Nikon's Pro bodies.
Click to expand...
As far as certain people with a little bit of insider knowledge
tell this is not true. Nikon is ready to sell whatever body
someone wants - it all comes down to price. And probably R&D costs
for the sensor are so high for Fuji that they can't afford to use a
more expensive body.
Do you remember the Kodak DCS760? Wasn't that in an F5 body?
Bernie Ess said:
I think both companies would benefit from the
merger as I think Fuji has what Nikon is lacking and Nikon can
provide the Pro bodies that Fuji is lacking
Click to expand...
I guess - uninformed as I am - that this will not happen in a near
future. Thom Hogan has said the same thing recently. He called the
idea even "absurd". Maybe if one day Nikon will go bankrupt due to
Canon taking over world dominion they may not have another choice.
Until then they will stay 2 companies.

regards, Bernie
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let´s wait...I would say max. 2 years, and Nikon is down when this Canon / Nikon story continues as like these days!

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Roland Schulz said:
let´s wait...I would say max. 2 years, and Nikon is down when this
Canon / Nikon story continues as like these days!
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My guess is that we will see new products of Nikon before the end of the year that will change things again.

Bernie
 
Bernie Ess said:
Roland Schulz said:
let´s wait...I would say max. 2 years, and Nikon is down when this
Canon / Nikon story continues as like these days!
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My guess is that we will see new products of Nikon before the end
of the year that will change things again.

Bernie
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Sure that we´ll see new products! But will they have stand?

See D2h vs. 1D mk II (ok, always same discussion), but don´t dream! I don´t believe Nikon brings a D2x that´s compareable even to the 1D mk II, perhaps it´ll have 8MP, but noise level (D2h?!?!) and speed (ok, I don´t need 8,5fps). Nikon worked very hard to bring a product like the D2h, what must they do now? Pray?!?

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"I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily their sensors"

Shoot with a Nikon and you will think differently. Nikon gets a bad rap on their sensors when I have found that my new D100 gives me the truest white balance and the most natural flesh tones of any camera I have shot with. I love Fuji, don't get me wrong, but I don't think the Nikon sensors are inferior, especially when you consider how much interpolation I can do from an image straight from my D100 using just a Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro bicubic resample. Don't knock 'em until you tried 'em. I think both Fuji and Nikon make outstanding cameras and I will be interested in seeing more information on the S3 as it becomes available.
 
But the sensor in the D100 is not a Nikon designed sensor, right? Its a Sony sensor which Nikon has sourced. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the D100 isn't a good camera. I'm just saying that Nikon as a company, doesn't have the same in house expertise with sensors that Fuji has.

Joo
Carl Maiorino said:
"I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily their sensors"

Shoot with a Nikon and you will think differently. Nikon gets a
bad rap on their sensors when I have found that my new D100 gives
me the truest white balance and the most natural flesh tones of any
camera I have shot with. I love Fuji, don't get me wrong, but I
don't think the Nikon sensors are inferior, especially when you
consider how much interpolation I can do from an image straight
from my D100 using just a Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro bicubic
resample. Don't knock 'em until you tried 'em. I think both Fuji
and Nikon make outstanding cameras and I will be interested in
seeing more information on the S3 as it becomes available.
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The LBCAST JFET sensor is Nikon's answer to a more inferior Sony sensor (Sony 828...eeks)

All in the successful D2h which when used correctly (exposure), produces low noise, great DR pictures.
Joo said:
Joo
Carl Maiorino said:
"I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily their sensors"

Shoot with a Nikon and you will think differently. Nikon gets a
bad rap on their sensors when I have found that my new D100 gives
me the truest white balance and the most natural flesh tones of any
camera I have shot with. I love Fuji, don't get me wrong, but I
don't think the Nikon sensors are inferior, especially when you
consider how much interpolation I can do from an image straight
from my D100 using just a Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro bicubic
resample. Don't knock 'em until you tried 'em. I think both Fuji
and Nikon make outstanding cameras and I will be interested in
seeing more information on the S3 as it becomes available.
Click to expand...
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blame the equipment. :)



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An APS compared to the f828 sensor? These are different leagues and one does not answer the other. One has sub 3 micron pixels and the other > 9.

Steven
Northern-lights said:
All in the successful D2h which when used correctly (exposure),
produces low noise, great DR pictures.
Joo said:
Joo
Carl Maiorino said:
"I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily their sensors"

Shoot with a Nikon and you will think differently. Nikon gets a
bad rap on their sensors when I have found that my new D100 gives
me the truest white balance and the most natural flesh tones of any
camera I have shot with. I love Fuji, don't get me wrong, but I
don't think the Nikon sensors are inferior, especially when you
consider how much interpolation I can do from an image straight
from my D100 using just a Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro bicubic
resample. Don't knock 'em until you tried 'em. I think both Fuji
and Nikon make outstanding cameras and I will be interested in
seeing more information on the S3 as it becomes available.
Click to expand...
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blame the equipment. :)



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I have both, D100 and S2. After much frustration with inaccurate colors with the D100, I purchased an S2 and never looked back. The only way to get good color with the D100 is to make sure you get the white balance correct and to shoot ot in NEF. The NEF option also allows you to get a sharper image.

Also Nikon Capture is ajoke for any type of production. Had to go out and get PhaseOne software, which yielded better results and also let me batch indiviual tweks at once. Much like Kodak Photo Desk software. Did I mention I have to use a custom curve to fix the under exposure problem the D100 has?

The S2 is almost 100 % correct right out of the camera in JPEG mode. When shot in 12mp mode you get more 'depth' to the images and they almost look like medium format.

The S2 is now my primary camera.

-Mike
Carl Maiorino said:
"I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily their sensors"

Shoot with a Nikon and you will think differently. Nikon gets a
bad rap on their sensors when I have found that my new D100 gives
me the truest white balance and the most natural flesh tones of any
camera I have shot with. I love Fuji, don't get me wrong, but I
don't think the Nikon sensors are inferior, especially when you
consider how much interpolation I can do from an image straight
from my D100 using just a Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro bicubic
resample. Don't knock 'em until you tried 'em. I think both Fuji
and Nikon make outstanding cameras and I will be interested in
seeing more information on the S3 as it becomes available.
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To what degree the new S3 is a Nikon body is debatable but it's obvious from simply looking at it that there's quite a bit of Nikon parts there. No doubt Fuji adds a fair bit of their own but to say Fuji designed the whole thing is disingenious. I'm a bit surprised Fuji doesn't design their own body from the ground up as they're obviously capable of it (witness the Hassy H1 and Fuji 680).
MarkRaw said:
According to Gary Fong the Nikon body is no longer an issue:

"There has been some mis-reports that the camera is based on an N80
body, and this isn't true. It's a body designed by Fuji to hold the
Nikon lens mounts and accessories."
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Yes... the D2H's sensor is Nikon's LBCAST JFET sensor but the sensor in the D100, I believe is a Sony sensor. And no... its not the 8MP sensor in the Sony F828. See... http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond100/

Joo
Northern-lights said:
All in the successful D2h which when used correctly (exposure),
produces low noise, great DR pictures.
Joo said:
Joo
Carl Maiorino said:
"I think Nikon's big weakness is primarily their sensors"

Shoot with a Nikon and you will think differently. Nikon gets a
bad rap on their sensors when I have found that my new D100 gives
me the truest white balance and the most natural flesh tones of any
camera I have shot with. I love Fuji, don't get me wrong, but I
don't think the Nikon sensors are inferior, especially when you
consider how much interpolation I can do from an image straight
from my D100 using just a Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro bicubic
resample. Don't knock 'em until you tried 'em. I think both Fuji
and Nikon make outstanding cameras and I will be interested in
seeing more information on the S3 as it becomes available.
Click to expand...
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blame the equipment. :)



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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcphotogs/
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