Got my new T1!

Took a few pics and here is my initial impressions.

Pros:
1) Its SMALL!

2) Its FAST - startup time about a sec, pic to pic time about a sec. Focus time in less than a sec. Speed is comprable to the F7x7, if not faster!

3) Its focus is ACCURATE! Almost no OOF images - a problem I had with the P5 and the P10.
4) macro is excellent.

5) LCD is 100% visable in DIRECT sunlight - It uses that trans-relective technology that PDAs use. You can even turn off the backlight indoors and still see the image clearly.

Cons:

1) default sharpening is over-sharpened (leading to very noisy images). I set image to low and sharpen in PS with much better results. With this method, noise is comprable, to that of the P series.
2) Flash is weak, but will work fine for most snapshots.
3) You will get red-eye in with the flash.

Here is a sample I took: its full sized, low sharpening, and sharpened in PS with the flash. The flash illuminates the subject fine, there is noticable dropoff in the background, but its very good compared to the P series.



For the full sized image:
http://www.pbase.com/image/25768513

Definately a keeper for me! Questions? Comments? Requests?

I'll be happy to help.

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I have a 717 but was looking to get a small pocket cam to use for everyday type stuff, I was looking at the p72 or p9. They are about half that of a T1 but your post got me thinking, did you get a lot of oof on the p10?

Great shot by the way.

Steve

Newbie question, I've also got the T1, it's convenient to use but kinda dark indoors because I refrain from using the flash since it makes the subject over-exposed.

But how exactly do you sharpen the image in PS with the flash?

gho said:

Took a few pics and here is my initial impressions.

Pros:
1) Its SMALL!
2) Its FAST - startup time about a sec, pic to pic time about a
sec. Focus time in less than a sec. Speed is comprable to the
F7x7, if not faster!
3) Its focus is ACCURATE! Almost no OOF images - a problem I had
with the P5 and the P10.
4) macro is excellent.
5) LCD is 100% visable in DIRECT sunlight - It uses that
trans-relective technology that PDAs use. You can even turn off
the backlight indoors and still see the image clearly.

Cons:
1) default sharpening is over-sharpened (leading to very noisy
images). I set image to low and sharpen in PS with much better
results. With this method, noise is comprable, to that of the P
series.
2) Flash is weak, but will work fine for most snapshots.
3) You will get red-eye in with the flash.

Here is a sample I took: its full sized, low sharpening, and
sharpened in PS with the flash. The flash illuminates the subject
fine, there is noticable dropoff in the background, but its very
good compared to the P series.



For the full sized image:
http://www.pbase.com/image/25768513

Definately a keeper for me! Questions? Comments? Requests?

I'll be happy to help.

Gregory
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gho said:

Took a few pics and here is my initial impressions.

Pros:
1) Its SMALL!
2) Its FAST - startup time about a sec, pic to pic time about a
sec. Focus time in less than a sec. Speed is comprable to the
F7x7, if not faster!
3) Its focus is ACCURATE! Almost no OOF images - a problem I had
with the P5 and the P10.
4) macro is excellent.
5) LCD is 100% visable in DIRECT sunlight - It uses that
trans-relective technology that PDAs use. You can even turn off
the backlight indoors and still see the image clearly.

Cons:
1) default sharpening is over-sharpened (leading to very noisy
images). I set image to low and sharpen in PS with much better
results. With this method, noise is comprable, to that of the P
series.
2) Flash is weak, but will work fine for most snapshots.
3) You will get red-eye in with the flash.

Here is a sample I took: its full sized, low sharpening, and
sharpened in PS with the flash. The flash illuminates the subject
fine, there is noticable dropoff in the background, but its very
good compared to the P series.



For the full sized image:
http://www.pbase.com/image/25768513

Definately a keeper for me! Questions? Comments? Requests?

I'll be happy to help.

Gregory
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funny I thought the p-10 had great focus but still wasn't completely satisfied with the shots. Now this shot looks very good. My main criteria being , is it better then the P-10 and it sure looks that way, don't you think? Please post more about your impressions! thanks

Stephen Mcgowan said:

did you get a lot of oof on the p10?

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The focus mechanism is fundamentally different between the p10 and the T1. The p10 uses mechanically coupled servo driven focus. i.e., the lense elements are driven by motor. You can hear the motors wineing and the focus is somewhat slow.

The T1 uses electromagnetic silent-wave type focus mechanism, like the 7x7. Its silent and ultra fast.

Due to the nature of my photography, fast focus is key (shooting lightening fast toddlers). If you take the time and shoot static images, the p10 focus is fine. But if your subject is moving the T1 tends to do better. Even for static images, I find the T1 tends to focus better. With my p5, i got about 20 - 40% oof. With the p10, I got more like 40%. With the 7x7, i got maybe 5 - 10% oof. With the T1, I get around 10% (though I just only got it - its my initial assessment).

Stephen Mcgowan said:

Great shot by the way.

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Thanks. Shot #27! The first shot came out good too, but the subject was kinda boring.

Glad you responded.

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sakura said:

Newbie question, I've also got the T1, it's convenient to use but
kinda dark indoors because I refrain from using the flash since it
makes the subject over-exposed.

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I had the same problem with the p5. Didn't have it with the p10, and my T1 is looking good so far. The p5 had a bad problem over-exposing with the flash. I set the flash setting on "low" and it worked great (p5) and almost never overexposed. So far with the T1, I haven't had this problem.

sakura said:

But how exactly do you sharpen the image in PS with the flash?

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I set the T1 for "low" sharpening and open the image in PS, and use USM and sharpen to my likeing (start with maybe 120%, 1.8 radius, 0 threshold). Alternatively, you can use "sharpen" off the filter menu.

Sharpening is the same wether or not you use the flash. You will find that even outdoor pics will look better when sharpened using PS.

Hope this helps some. Questions?

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rick66883 said:

funny I thought the p-10 had great focus but still wasn't
completely satisfied with the shots. Now this shot looks very good.
My main criteria being , is it better then the P-10 and it sure
looks that way, don't you think? Please post more about your
impressions! thanks

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The p10 does have great focus, and can produce tack sharp images. The p10 does produce images that are slightly better - little less noise, a little sharper, but its very close, IMHO. I much rather perfer the T1 overall due to its size, big LCD (which is used in direct sun without a problem) on the p10, the LCD got pretty washed out, and although usable, its was sometimes difficult. I never used the optical tunnel - too inaccurate and I need to hold the camera lower to shoot my toddlers and using the LCD was more comfortable.

Using another program to sharpen images produces much better results than the T1 sharpening. Set the camera to low sharpening sharpen using software (you can see my above post for more details).

If you are getting good pics from the p10, you can use the same method to reduce noise a bit. I did like the p10, but its a bit on the bulky side. The T1 is more like the p10 on a diet and it peforms very well (IMHO) - the overall responsiveness of the camera is much quicker.

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Question:

How do you set low sharpening on the T1? I cannot find that when I press menu on the T1 button?

Thanks!

gho said:

gho said:

funny I thought the p-10 had great focus but still wasn't
completely satisfied with the shots. Now this shot looks very good.
My main criteria being , is it better then the P-10 and it sure
looks that way, don't you think? Please post more about your
impressions! thanks

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The p10 does have great focus, and can produce tack sharp images.
The p10 does produce images that are slightly better - little
less noise, a little sharper, but its very close, IMHO. I much
rather perfer the T1 overall due to its size, big LCD (which is
used in direct sun without a problem) on the p10, the LCD got
pretty washed out, and although usable, its was sometimes
difficult. I never used the optical tunnel - too inaccurate and I
need to hold the camera lower to shoot my toddlers and using the
LCD was more comfortable.

Using another program to sharpen images produces much better
results than the T1 sharpening. Set the camera to low sharpening
sharpen using software (you can see my above post for more details).

If you are getting good pics from the p10, you can use the same
method to reduce noise a bit. I did like the p10, but its a bit on
the bulky side. The T1 is more like the p10 on a diet and it
peforms very well (IMHO) - the overall responsiveness of the camera
is much quicker.

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you first have to be in program mode.

1) Press the camera menu button.
2) Press Left until you reach the camera icon
3) Push up to change from "Auto" to "Program"

4) A world of options should open up, press Right until the second to last icon (supposed to look like a knife)
5) push up to select (-)

There you go.

Hope this helps some.

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gho said:

gho said:

funny I thought the p-10 had great focus but still wasn't
completely satisfied with the shots. Now this shot looks very good.
My main criteria being , is it better then the P-10 and it sure
looks that way, don't you think? Please post more about your
impressions! thanks

Click to expand...

The p10 does have great focus, and can produce tack sharp images.
The p10 does produce images that are slightly better - little
less noise, a little sharper, but its very close, IMHO. I much
rather perfer the T1 overall due to its size, big LCD (which is
used in direct sun without a problem) on the p10, the LCD got
pretty washed out, and although usable, its was sometimes
difficult. I never used the optical tunnel - too inaccurate and I
need to hold the camera lower to shoot my toddlers and using the
LCD was more comfortable.

Using another program to sharpen images produces much better
results than the T1 sharpening. Set the camera to low sharpening
sharpen using software (you can see my above post for more details).

If you are getting good pics from the p10, you can use the same
method to reduce noise a bit. I did like the p10, but its a bit on
the bulky side. The T1 is more like the p10 on a diet and it
peforms very well (IMHO) - the overall responsiveness of the camera
is much quicker.

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Gregory

I appreciate your honesty. I was hoping for more that was better then just speed and a bit smaller. I can put the p-10 in my pocket. If the photos are not better I can't rationalize spending more. the p10 is faster in automatic then in other modes. If p-10 had a 4x zoom and manual settings I would buy it. The focus is incredible though , it seems to zoom in on the subject and then refocus, I never saw anything like it.

Gregory, just like you most of my subjects will be toddles (indoors). Do you get much in the way of slow shutter speeds (and camera shake)?
Can you put it down to a learning curve?

What proportion of indoor (T1) shots get binned cos of shake or the flash wasn't strong enough.
Do you post process the red eye?

I'm trying to decide between P10 & T1 as my only camera.
I toyed with the idea of V1 A80, but they are just not pocket sized.

many thanks.

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gho said:

Took a few pics and here is my initial impressions.

Pros:
1) Its SMALL!
2) Its FAST - startup time about a sec, pic to pic time about a
sec. Focus time in less than a sec. Speed is comprable to the
F7x7, if not faster!
3) Its focus is ACCURATE! Almost no OOF images - a problem I had
with the P5 and the P10.
4) macro is excellent.
5) LCD is 100% visable in DIRECT sunlight - It uses that
trans-relective technology that PDAs use. You can even turn off
the backlight indoors and still see the image clearly.

Cons:
1) default sharpening is over-sharpened (leading to very noisy
images). I set image to low and sharpen in PS with much better
results. With this method, noise is comprable, to that of the P
series.
2) Flash is weak, but will work fine for most snapshots.
3) You will get red-eye in with the flash.

Here is a sample I took: its full sized, low sharpening, and
sharpened in PS with the flash. The flash illuminates the subject
fine, there is noticable dropoff in the background, but its very
good compared to the P series.



For the full sized image:
http://www.pbase.com/image/25768513

Definately a keeper for me! Questions? Comments? Requests?

I'll be happy to help.

Gregory
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Can you tell us how bad the red eye is, and how weak the flash is for shots 10-15 feet away?

Forgot to ask... does it have an auto-rotation sensor?

Adrian said:

What proportion of indoor (T1) shots get binned cos of shake or the
flash wasn't strong enough.
Do you post process the red eye?

I'm trying to decide between P10 & T1 as my only camera.
I toyed with the idea of V1 A80, but they are just not pocket sized.

many thanks.

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gho said:

Took a few pics and here is my initial impressions.

Pros:
1) Its SMALL!
2) Its FAST - startup time about a sec, pic to pic time about a
sec. Focus time in less than a sec. Speed is comprable to the
F7x7, if not faster!
3) Its focus is ACCURATE! Almost no OOF images - a problem I had
with the P5 and the P10.
4) macro is excellent.
5) LCD is 100% visable in DIRECT sunlight - It uses that
trans-relective technology that PDAs use. You can even turn off
the backlight indoors and still see the image clearly.

Cons:
1) default sharpening is over-sharpened (leading to very noisy
images). I set image to low and sharpen in PS with much better
results. With this method, noise is comprable, to that of the P
series.
2) Flash is weak, but will work fine for most snapshots.
3) You will get red-eye in with the flash.

Here is a sample I took: its full sized, low sharpening, and
sharpened in PS with the flash. The flash illuminates the subject
fine, there is noticable dropoff in the background, but its very
good compared to the P series.



For the full sized image:
http://www.pbase.com/image/25768513

Definately a keeper for me! Questions? Comments? Requests?

I'll be happy to help.

Gregory
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I bought the T1 in late november and I gave to my daughter as X-mas present, the red eyes are pretty bad, but hte filming is excelent

With the 512 mb MSduo pro you can make looooong films in ggod quality

It is a great multimedia camera!!!

( I also have the Canon D10 and Pentax optio s4)

Adrian_K said:

Do you get much in the way of slow shutter speeds (and
camera shake)?

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I normally dont get any camera shake. If its too dark, the camera automatically decides to use the flash. In this mode, you will almost never get any camera shake. Given that you (or at least I am) in close range of the toddler at the time of shooting, it doesnt present a problem.

Adrian_K said:

Can you put it down to a learning curve?

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Its very easy to use. If you've used a Sony camera before, then its the same. If you haven't you may have to skim over the instruction booklet. I find the Sony menus some of the easiest and most intuitive to operate.

If you dont want to do anything, then you can simply turn on the camera and start snapping away and you will still get decent results.

Adrian_K said:

What proportion of indoor (T1) shots get binned cos of shake or the
flash wasn't strong enough.

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Well, I haven't binned any to camera shake or weak flash as of yet. I could see the flash being the achilies heal. It will light up a mid-sized room fairly well, but It wont light up a dinner hall or anything like that.

Here's a shot taken in complete darkness:

Adrian_K said:

Do you post process the red eye?

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Yes, if I need to. The photo samples I took are all with flash (no red eye reduction) and I didn't retouch any of them so you can see how bad the red eye is.

Here's one taken in macro mode with the flash:

Adrian_K said:

I'm trying to decide between P10 & T1 as my only camera.
I toyed with the idea of V1 A80, but they are just not pocket sized.

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The T1 is considerably smaller than the P10

Here is a size comparison with the p5 (the p10's sister - I sold my p10):



Next the a samsung S307 phone (really small phone)





Next to a soda can:



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Forgot to ask... does it have an auto-rotation sensor?

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Messed up. The first image should be (in complete darkness):



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whcarter said:

Can you tell us how bad the red eye is, and how weak the flash is
for shots 10-15 feet away?

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The room in the pic my daughter is sitting almost exactly 10' from the wall. (The room is about 15' accross). You can start to notice some light falloff in the bookself. I would say 10' would be close to the maximum distance you would want to use the flash at, 15' may be pushing it.

I'll do some more shots in a larger room and post later so you can see.

There is a red-eye reduction mode (I dont use it) From what I can see, I do get more red eye with this camera than my others, but its not horrible. At least its easily correctable.

The pic above was shot with the flash without red-eye reduction mode and no touch ups. You can see a wee bit of red eye:

Here are a couple more taken without red-eye reduction (the first in complete darkness):





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I've got a P1 at the moment - anything's going to be an improvement.

but I do remember I had a focussing issue until I learnt where it exactly focused. It seems that all digital cameras have some quirks and you've just got to learn them before getting the best.

You're pictures are all clear and well focused, but some people (mestleman) have found it completely unusable.

gho said:

gho said:

Can you put it down to a learning curve?

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Its very easy to use. If you've used a Sony camera before, then
its the same. If you haven't you may have to skim over the
instruction booklet. I find the Sony menus some of the easiest and
most intuitive to operate.

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Adrian_K said:

I've got a P1 at the moment - anything's going to be an improvement.

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The p1 is the p5's sister right? My p5 had some focusing issues too, practice did improve focusing, but still got quite a few OOF images.

Adrian_K said:

but I do remember I had a focussing issue until I learnt where it
exactly focused. It seems that all digital cameras have some
quirks and you've just got to learn them before getting the best.

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The T1 has three focusing modes:
multi: default (just point anywhere and shoot)
center: use the center AF point to focus (much like the p1/p5)

spot: use a really small area of the center for accurate precision focus (this is what I used in my photos, and I find that I got the best results this way).

Multi works fine, generally, but sometimes it can be inconsistent - My p10 had this and I found I got better results using center (the p10 didn't have spot focusing). On the T1, I took it out of the box, charged up the battery and took a photo, and it was perfectly focused (using the multi). I later switched to spot, so I didn't use multi focus too much (habit from p10). The T1 does seem to do better than the p10 WRT multi focus.

Adrian_K said:

You're pictures are all clear and well focused, but some people
(mestleman) have found it completely unusable.

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I'm not sure what mestleman's issues were, but perhaps he just needed a camera with a little more creative control. I saw a post where he was commenting that the lack of a tripod socket was a problem. As long as you brace your camera up against a steady object, it shouldnt be too much of an issue. If you are doing long night exposures such as the moon mode, then you get camera shake, but for the most part, simply using the flash to take pictures of friends and relatives, this is not too much of an issue. If you are willing to carry around a tripod to Disneyland (for example), you are probably really into photography, and this may not be the camera for you. But if you want to go to Disneyland to have fun and make some quick snaps of the fun, then this camera won't get in the way.
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