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I believe you are seeing the space race in a very American way:

The Russians did all (and more) that Americans have done first except going to the Moon, in fact to this day (just for example) the Russians were the only ones to put a functioning probe on the soil of Venus ... the Americans are just good at showing off.

Beagle was a module to a mission that has much more to it, there is still an ESA satellite revolving Mars and collecting much more valuable data that a few pictures of the ground around a little robot that looks so good on the 21:00 journal.

About Europe:

We (I'm) not grateful to Americans, you took 2 years to enter the II world war and only entered when American targets got attacked by Germany (they took of your ships), if Hitler only attacked Europe and didn't threaten EUA, you wouldn't give a damn.

About Socialism and Communism and freedom do you know what you are talking about?:

Americans don't protect freedom, Americans protect Capitalism and Right Wing regimens, I am from Portugal where America have supported a Right Wing dictatorship and oppressive regimen for decades just because they didn't wanted for us to become Communists, and do you know what happened in Chile ? Study the real history, not the one they seem to teach there in the schools.

Just more 3 things:

EUA has the only country ever to get a censure by the UN because of their foreign politics conduct;

EUA was the only country to ever go against a decision by UN and invade a country;

EUA was the only country ever to use an atomic device against other humans ... twice in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

This should make you very proud to be an American
FPSurgeon said:
We Americans are hated all right...until you need financial
support, then everyone suddenly wants to be our friends....or until
someone invades your country or threatens your country, then
everyone suddenly wants our military might...or until your own
dictators and tyrants take your freedom or your money (socialists
and communists), suppress your speech or your religion or race or
ethnicity, then suddenly everyone wants to immigrate here...or
until someone wants to go to the moon, or Mars ( cough Beagle
cough)...or until someone wants or wants or wants....

How much of Europe would be speaking German or Russian if it were
not for the good ol' USA.
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José Luís Malaquias said:
There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

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José Luís Malaquias said:
Not saying it isn't a great country.
I lived there, and i love it.
I just can't stand the arrogance of approving a law in which a
foreign national can be convicted for doing something in his own
country which is legal under the laws of his country.
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Buy a clue. He was arrested because he was selling the utility in the US. If he hadn't sold it in the US there wouldn't have been a case.

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If anything, I was setting the story straight about my country (I live here as well). That I don't like a few laws passed in the last 6 years??? That is another issue.

Steven
slapshot66 said:
Your post is very much out of line. It has NO place in this forum.
If you want to discuss your political opinions about my country,
please do so some where else where it is wanted. Trust me, I have
views of my own, but out of respect to other members, I would not
consider posting them here....

then again, that is the true difference in us I suppose.

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The US justice system can kiss my ass ;)
And no im not trying to flame our american friends in this forum.

Example: a ruling in a large european country stated that it was allowed to use modchips in gameconsoles and it was NOT allowed to block consoles to run trird party software like Linux. Same rule applies to the 300D. Here i have the RIGHT to load whatever software on my 300D. Even if i wanted to turn it into a internet P*rnserver...

Thank god i do not live in the US. I really hate some of your courtrulings. And again no im not flamings the american people. It just seems to me that many US judges have lost there minds...
 
Sure we might end up in jail, but man...I would look dang good in an orange jumpsuit!
José Luís Malaquias said:
There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

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Portugal is the most wonderfull country i,ve bin to Jose. And Oporto is my favorite city in the world. How about changing places. I come to live in oporto , you come to Belgium and pretend your me ;)
José Luís Malaquias said:
salspalden said:
José Luís Malaquias said:
I kinda knew it was.
But since I get to hear that quite a lot, I took the chance to say
where I stand.
As for the wine, let me know about californian Port wine after you
tasted the REAL Port wine :-)
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I'll be the judge of that.

Please forward a case so I can commence testing.

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The first personal computers, along with thier operating system came from the USA. The Chinese invented spaghetti too right?
José Luís Malaquias said:
digiDude said:
José Luís Malaquias said:
Daniella said:
wooffy said:
José Luís Malaquias said:
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?
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Simple solution: don't visit the US. They've already shown they
won't respect your passport and will deport you to any country they
wish to. My lover is planning a trip, and he made of point of
booking a flight with no change-over in the US. According to his
travel agent many people request that now.

Yes, installing hacked firmware is a violation of DMCA. Yes, it
voids the warranty. Yes, there is a slight chance it may cause
problems in the future. In reality there is very little to fear,
and the extra 10 or so RAW files on a memory card are well worth it
to me.

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  • Okie first of all, the DMCA is being seriously challanged by many people. Several judges have thrown out cases that are blatantly trying to take advantage of the DMCA for inhibiting fair use. One such case was a garage door company, which tried to sue an indimendant maker of a remote control.
  • The DMCA also says that you must have broken some form and encryption or securty feature. I don't think this is the case.
  • The people who use the hack, didn't violate the DMCA.
  • Hopefully the DMCA will be rewritten or thrown out, because it was a stupid law enacted by people who dont' understand technology bought off by lobby groups.
  • Also, in the Elmcom case. He was arrested, ebcause his company was apparently doing business in the US. I definatly don't agree with the arrest, but it was more than just a case of he hacked a code, then got arrested.
José Luís Malaquias said:
There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

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I'm an american and i will tell you that i downright think amny of us ARE stupid and ignorang of issues. I admit i don't always keep up on th efiner details, but walk down the street in most american citys and ask a number of peopel if they know what the DMCA is and what it's potential ramificatiosn are. Seriously.. go ahead and ask.

Or ask them if they knew that we tried to keep a puppet ruler in Iran, when that failed and he had to flee the coutnry, we backed their long time enemy... Iraq.. yes.. WE helped Iraq gain power. Go ask 100 Americans walking down the street in any small town. See how many of them are aware of this.

Sure you might be aware of the laws and active and caring, but from what i've seen you (and I) are in the minority.

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In that case, it was the RIAA that ried all of these actions. I wouldn't really say the US government. ALso, Jon, didn't really create it. It was done by soemone who still remains nameless (possibly a German) and Jon was part of this group that made the script fromt he hack.
Either way, the RIAA is a very much hated group, even within the US.

Hopefully, people will become more aware of their attrocities and they will fall out of power.
José Luís Malaquias said:
At first they tried to extradite him under the DMCA. When that
failed, they tried to use Norway's laws.
He was not even of legal age, and he was trying to watch DVDs in
Linux, which the companies would not let him.
The companies expect not to do their homework, put out a crappy
protection system that a teenager can break, and then legal force
their way into safety? Come on, get real.

As for being rude, I intend to be rude to anyone listening to my
conversations that has no business being there.

So, again %$%&$&%$ you, you Echelon eavesdropper.
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Of course, unless you live in one of the few states that allows shipping of wine in from out of state, you're out of luck there too. Unless you want to commit a crime and lable the package otherwise. :)

This country would be much better with "LESS" government.

(rant over)
salspalden said:
José Luís Malaquias said:
I kinda knew it was.
But since I get to hear that quite a lot, I took the chance to say
where I stand.
As for the wine, let me know about californian Port wine after you
tasted the REAL Port wine :-)
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I'll be the judge of that.

Please forward a case so I can commence testing.

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Just a quick correction.

The US is not a democracy. It was never meant to be a democracy by our founding father's, but somewhere along the line someone started calling it that and it stuck. Check the Constitution. I don't believe the word "democracy" appears in it.
Jun2 said:
I hate it when US goverment and Brithish Goverment always appear
they are morally right even if they are wrong. Brithish invade
China becasue they can not sell opiate there. Can you believe it.

Jun
José Luís Malaquias said:
I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.
salspalden said:
Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

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Bravo FPSurgeon, it's about time someone got things right.

By the way, anyone who thinks that the US is imperialistic and forces our policies, etc. on the rest of the world should check out the UN sometime. We are rank amateurs compared to the UN.
FPSurgeon said:
José Luís Malaquias said:
Most Americans I know are not aware of the facts that cause them to
be hated. So, I don't think they are too blame. If anything they
should pay more attention to what their politicians do, but that is
not a crime in my book.
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We Americans are hated all right...until you need financial
support, then everyone suddenly wants to be our friends....or until
someone invades your country or threatens your country, then
everyone suddenly wants our military might...or until your own
dictators and tyrants take your freedom or your money (socialists
and communists), suppress your speech or your religion or race or
ethnicity, then suddenly everyone wants to immigrate here...or
until someone wants to go to the moon, or Mars ( cough Beagle
cough)...or until someone wants or wants or wants....

How much of Europe would be speaking German or Russian if it were
not for the good ol' USA.
FPSurgeon said:
I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.
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I agree that the DCMA is outrageous legislation.
FPSurgeon said:
Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.
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And when has that been in the last fifty years? When has America
been bailed out by zeropaland because we couldn't foot the bill?
FPSurgeon said:
But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.
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Oh, but it was President CLINTON who signed the DCMA into law
October 28, 1999. And for those not up on American constitutional
law (oh, yeah, the oldest constitution in the world, btw) the
President is not elected by a majority vote...ever...he's elected
by the Electoral College members. (Jesus, most of the heads of
state of the world including europe aren't elected by a majority of
the voters given the broadly multi-party elections...where they're
elected at all, that is)
FPSurgeon said:
salspalden said:
Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

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If you are so ashamed to be an American, then please feel free to move to another country any time. We won't miss you. While you're at it, please take tom Cruise, Alec Baldwin, Babs, etc. with you.

If the rest of the world is so great, why do you torture yourself by living in a country you hate so much?

I am sure we can answer that question as easily as you can, but are not willing to.
Intrinsic said:
I happen to be an american, I have also much experience in world
forums, I know many people from many countries and I have to admit
I am ashamed to be an american, but I hide it. I am a white male
from Washington, USA. I hear the local guy at the gas station on
the corner put down canadians and french, germans, all the time,
and I laff with him. But in all honesty, the US is a sad country...

and to the guy that posted that qoute I put up above, we aren't
rich, and we aren't even the most powerful country in the world.
Many americans don't know that... but China, the coutry which has
been the greatest most powerful country in the world for over 1,000
yrs before us, is slowly gaining on us again, and within 10 yrs
will easily be the most powerful country in the world again, their
economy has been on a steady rise for decades, they have the
largest army in the world, overall, they are > than us.

Now about the law, I think why it's illegal ANYWHERE in the world,
wether it be Europe or America, is because it's an american
company... just becuase the product is in Europe doesn't mean
anything, like having a european girl raped in america, wouldn't
you guys want to prosecute the guy, wether the girl was raped in
europe OR america, what if we didn't have a law against it?
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Please, all of those elite SWAT teams are busy working for the RIAA catching teenagers swapping music on the Internet (which is a real violation of the DMCA). :)
José Luís Malaquias said:
Daniella said:
José Luís Malaquias said:
There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

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Bruno Morgado said:
Just more 3 things:
EUA has the only country ever to get a censure by the UN because of
their foreign politics conduct;
EUA was the only country to ever go against a decision by UN and
invade a country;
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Let's clarify some things. The UN is the most imperialistic body ever convened. They intend to impose their will on the entire world in a way the US never could (or would ever dream of).
Bruno Morgado said:
EUA was the only country ever to use an atomic device against other
humans ... twice in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

This should make you very proud to be an American
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It has been predicted that the War in the Pacific could have gone on for months to years more if the Bombs were not dropped, costing many thousands (maybe tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or more) lives on both sides. Plus, the utter destruction that these two events caused made the world wake up and take notice of the danger of nuclear weapons, eventually leading to disarmament (with no more weapons having ever been used). Also, someone would have used a nuclear weapon at some point. You're just happy that is was us, so you have something else to hate us for.

Pay attention to India and Pakistan. In the end, we may not be the only one to have used nuclear weapons. We just learned our lesson (I hope).
 
The US, as well as most of the other nations on Earth, is a sovereign nation. Being so, we (and other countries) can do whatever we need to do to protect that sovereignty and protect ourselves from any other threat to our nation.
José Luís Malaquias said:
PHGN said:
I'll double check, but the executive branch signing a treaty that
then is rejected by the legislative branch I think has no binding
effect under the US system - signing merely represents a promise to
put it forward for ratification. Technically things like treaties
and international affairs are the Senate's purview, subject to due
process though the rest of government.

As to what you can and can't do that depends on a) what the law
says, and if your law says you can, then you can, and b) wether you
can do it or not.

The latter is sure to raise objections, but at a basic level it is
true: laws have to be enforceable to carry any real effect. You can
have laws that exist purely through common consent, but the problem
with those is that as soon as people no longer agree to it it's not
much good. Perhaps laws that people don't agree to should be
repealed, but the difficult bit is when most people do, but some
don't. Some form of enforcement method is thus a necessity of any
law, if only to deal with the people who revert to the 'make me'
argument if they don't agree. Force is sometimes the lowest common
denominator of enforcement. That's where all the 'force is never
the answer' arguments fail. All it takes is one party to say 'make
me' and you have to - or you give up on that law. If sanctions etc
don't work, then you may well have no choice but to use force. Iraq
is a case in point - failure to enforce UN resolutions (the
sanctions didn't work and we spent so long giving them second
chances) meant that in the end they were worth very little.
Progress started to be made once the US started some saber
rattling. For various reasons it appeared that the threats would be
made hollow. The decision to act now makes the treat of force a
valid one - and a valid threat of force (if only implicit) makes
negotiation far easier, and indeed the need to use the force less.

Witness the recent progress made with other countries NBC programs.
By way of another example, a failure to enforce anything regarding
Israel's behavior now means that the Israeli government has more or
less a free hand in it affairs.

Conclusion: to avoid the use of force you must be both willing and
able to use it - and demonstrably so.

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