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I have been waiting since christmas for mine (getting on sat.) hopefully.

I did not even care about the price I just wanted it. I think Canon has to catch up on demand before they mess with an updated model.

Clearly the d70 looks very impressive body wise and feature (although i still think the cmos canon sensor is better than the d100)

Eventually they might do a body upgrade to black or just a mighty firmware upgrade for all the fans.

Someone has to know, but it is not anyone here.
supra_dave said:
I think there will be no reaction within the first months. Simply
because Canon cannot cope with the current 300D market demand. Why
should they change plan if they can't manufacture such massive
amounts of 300D's?

A friend of mine ordered a European version of the 300D (here in
the Netherlands) 3 months ago AND IS STILL WAITING... I bought a
gray imported USA version because I was tired of waiting after a
month.

So tell me, why the hell much Canon react with another
announcement? maybe they think about it if demands are going to
drop. But I guess that's not going to happen within the first 4-6
months.
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kek
 
Eugene Danilkis said:
I have no intention of arguing on the D70 vs the 300D issue here.
What i'd like to know is what you think Canon's response will be to
the D70? It's obvious they'll come out with something. Only
questions are what and when .

Will we see a legit firmware update?
A slightly upgraded body (300D Mark II)?
Decreased price?
No reaction in the immediate future from Canon?
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Way to go Nikon. Let us give credit where due. Nikon chose to create an entry model that doesn't assume we are newbies.

This is the first model from Nikon that I think is really compelling in a long time.

Camera models are probably planned at least a year in advance, so I wouldn't expect a response from Canon other than price changes for some time to come.

But this is a very good sign that Nikon is back in the game and that will keep Canon on their toes.
 
Buy it in Croatia, we have it in stock everywhere :)) It is lot more expensive than in US, and sligthly more expensive then in EU, but still not too expensive.

When you get the VAT back (if you are a foreginer), the price for the kit is around 900 EUR.

I bought the camera here, because of the warranty, and have ordered other equipment from BHPhoto - totally happy :))
kanocto said:
I did not even care about the price I just wanted it. I think
Canon has to catch up on demand before they mess with an updated
model.

Clearly the d70 looks very impressive body wise and feature
(although i still think the cmos canon sensor is better than the
d100)

Eventually they might do a body upgrade to black or just a mighty
firmware upgrade for all the fans.

Someone has to know, but it is not anyone here.
supra_dave said:
I think there will be no reaction within the first months. Simply
because Canon cannot cope with the current 300D market demand. Why
should they change plan if they can't manufacture such massive
amounts of 300D's?

A friend of mine ordered a European version of the 300D (here in
the Netherlands) 3 months ago AND IS STILL WAITING... I bought a
gray imported USA version because I was tired of waiting after a
month.

So tell me, why the hell much Canon react with another
announcement? maybe they think about it if demands are going to
drop. But I guess that's not going to happen within the first 4-6
months.
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kek
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Dinko Jakovljevic
 
Error404 said:
buckshot200499 said:
Come on CAnon get off your bum and offer the real 300D.
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hold up, take a step back. the "real 300d" is SUPPOSED to be the
"baby brother" of the 10D, and SUPPOSED to be "cut back" in
features from the 10D. if you didn't know this before you bought
the 300d, you didn't do enough research to warrent your $900
purchase.

--
Daniel Buck - 3D & Photography
http://www.danielbuck.net
'be proud of your work - not your tools'
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What purchase, Idid my research and Canon lost a sale! There's baby borther and there's ****** and that's what the 300D is IMO. I not knocking anyone elses choice for this camera and I can understand that if you've come from a P&S background it a wonderful camera. However, I been using advanced film cameras for years and although I can learn to live without many features, not being abl to choose my metering pattern, AF mode or apply FEC is too much. Tell me in what way having just those three features would harm a 10D sale. Heck I'd pay $50 more for them.

It's amazing Nikon can offer almost a D100 for $999.
 
Mr Majestyk said:
Error404 said:
Mr Majestyk said:
Come on CAnon get off your bum and offer the real 300D.
Click to expand...
hold up, take a step back. the "real 300d" is SUPPOSED to be the
"baby brother" of the 10D, and SUPPOSED to be "cut back" in
features from the 10D. if you didn't know this before you bought
the 300d, you didn't do enough research to warrent your $900
purchase.

--
Daniel Buck - 3D & Photography
http://www.danielbuck.net
'be proud of your work - not your tools'
Click to expand...
What purchase, Idid my research and Canon lost a sale! There's baby
borther and there's ****** and that's what the 300D is IMO. I not
knocking anyone elses choice for this camera and I can understand
that if you've come from a P&S background it a wonderful camera.
However, I been using advanced film cameras for years and although
I can learn to live without many features, not being abl to choose
my metering pattern, AF mode or apply FEC is too much. Tell me in
what way having just those three features would harm a 10D sale.
Heck I'd pay $50 more for them.

It's amazing Nikon can offer almost a D100 for $999.
Click to expand...
Where was Nikon 6 months ago? It hardly makes sense to compare - the D70 will not be out for another 2 months, and 7-8 months is a long time in DSLR technology and price evolution.
--
Misha
 
Eugene Danilkis said:
I have no intention of arguing on the D70 vs the 300D issue here.
What i'd like to know is what you think Canon's response will be to
the D70? It's obvious they'll come out with something. Only
questions are what and when .

Will we see a legit firmware update?
A slightly upgraded body (300D Mark II)?
Decreased price?
No reaction in the immediate future from Canon?

It's important to consider the business side of this issue. After
all, there's nothing 'impressive' about the D70, really. It's just
that they chose to add features which Canon chose not to add. This
was a 100% business move. Canon could easily make a 400D with
equivalent or better features than the D70 at little or no cost to
them. The question is, will they? or should they?

Personally, i don't feel Canon will have a response anytime soon.
Probably not until summer later or fall. I think they feel they can
ride the momentum of the 300D as well as their lens lineup, the
slightly cheaper price and the Canon (and Rebel to many first-time
buyers) brand name. They already won a lot of converts by being the
first sub-$1000 DSLR and also being out for Christmas. From a
business side, i don't think they really 'need' to respond to the
D70 quite yet.
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Wake up people! Canons' not about to do a firmware upgrade!
That would be admitting they made a huge marketing blunder!
And they haven't!
It was a great camera and value, when you bought it, and it still is!
The year 2004 marks the begining of a whole new digital age!
The Rebel was positioned in the market as an entry level DSLR.
It fits that niche perfectly and at a terrific price, especially considering
that by the end of the year it will be selling for perhaps
less than $700! But they will decrease it gradually, so as not to
inflict too much pain.
In the mean time, Canon will introduce an upgraded Rebel, with
Black, textured, body, all the flash and program upgrades,
and possibly 8mp, to blow away the D70 and new downgraded
models of Pentax ist and Olympus E1, and whatever Minolta
and Kodak or Sony have up their sleeve!
They will also have a new 10D or whatever, to set the new
sub-pro standard which will be 1.3x and 12mp!
This model may not be announce at the PMA, but I don't
think they'll wait until fall!
 
misha said:
Mr Majestyk said:
Error404 said:
Member said:
Come on CAnon get off your bum and offer the real 300D.
Click to expand...
hold up, take a step back. the "real 300d" is SUPPOSED to be the
"baby brother" of the 10D, and SUPPOSED to be "cut back" in
features from the 10D. if you didn't know this before you bought
the 300d, you didn't do enough research to warrent your $900
purchase.

--
Daniel Buck - 3D & Photography
http://www.danielbuck.net
'be proud of your work - not your tools'
Click to expand...
What purchase, Idid my research and Canon lost a sale! There's baby
borther and there's ****** and that's what the 300D is IMO. I not
knocking anyone elses choice for this camera and I can understand
that if you've come from a P&S background it a wonderful camera.
However, I been using advanced film cameras for years and although
I can learn to live without many features, not being abl to choose
my metering pattern, AF mode or apply FEC is too much. Tell me in
what way having just those three features would harm a 10D sale.
Heck I'd pay $50 more for them.

It's amazing Nikon can offer almost a D100 for $999.
Click to expand...
Where was Nikon 6 months ago? It hardly makes sense to compare -
the D70 will not be out for another 2 months, and 7-8 months is a
long time in DSLR technology and price evolution.
--
Misha
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It's my money and it is highly valid to compare. D70 will ship in March. Of course one day Canon will have something better to offer, but I have money to spend now. I've waited all this time for digital and for me the 300D and even 10D don't cut it for me. I may have to end up spending $4000+ for a 1D Mk II. Hopefully the rumoures about a 10D replacement selling at about $1200 are right. CAnon has the image quality but the bodies are letting them down.
 
i dont know what canon's response to the d70 is but mine was to put the 300d on ebay(search: DSLR).
i will wait for the d70.

things that sold me to nikon:
no 3 second startup
fec compenstation.
3fps for 144 frames

things that made me dump canon:
indifferene to underexposure issue
Selling crippleware
putting their marketing gurus first instead of their customers.

to all those that are still waiting for their 300d. please dont worry, people like me will vacate and leave the canon loyalists to their destiny.

i still got to admit one thing: canon still got a heck of a good sensor.
 
I'll tell you why I don't care:

Because whatever the response is, we all know its going to blow away any competition at the time of release, both in terms of price point and features.

Kudos to Nikon for coming out with some serious competition for Canon, and ensuring that the DRebel successor will have something more substantial than a black body and FEC.
 
Mr Majestyk said:
There's baby borther and there's ****** and that's what the 300D is IMO.
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Oh wow, now it's the "****** baby brother". this is really getting on my nerves.

If you put a red shirt on in the morning, and through out the entire week everyone keeps telling you "nice blue shirt man", at first you are like "WTF!?" and then by the end of the week you start to believe them that the red shirt you have on is actualy blue.

I love my camera, and now that a bit of competition has come up, it seems like everybody and their momma's sister is bashing the 300d and calling it crud. I have no trouble getting super shots out of the 300d... and I going to try hard not to sound cocky, but maybe yall just can't shoot. With all this crud going around, I hope I don't start believeing yall that my camera is absolut crud and a waste of money.

--
Daniel Buck - 3D & Photography
http://www.danielbuck.net
'be proud of your work - not your tools'
 
If you haven't got any Canon lenses now, I think the D70 would be the best choice for the time being, pending image quality verifications of course. Especially if are the sort who needs all the control, you'll feel totally constraint by the DRebel. Unfortunately, the Rebel line has always had restrictions, so you shouldn't be surprised that the DRebel is the same. I'll be glad if Canon gave us all a firmware upgrade, but I'm not going to hold my breath, because I'm quite happy with my DRebel now :)

By the way, you do have some control over the metering method, just not in the most direct way.
Mr Majestyk said:
misha said:
Mr Majestyk said:
Error404 said:
Mr Majestyk said:
Come on CAnon get off your bum and offer the real 300D.
Click to expand...
hold up, take a step back. the "real 300d" is SUPPOSED to be the
"baby brother" of the 10D, and SUPPOSED to be "cut back" in
features from the 10D. if you didn't know this before you bought
the 300d, you didn't do enough research to warrent your $900
purchase.

--
Daniel Buck - 3D & Photography
http://www.danielbuck.net
'be proud of your work - not your tools'
Click to expand...
What purchase, Idid my research and Canon lost a sale! There's baby
borther and there's ****** and that's what the 300D is IMO. I not
knocking anyone elses choice for this camera and I can understand
that if you've come from a P&S background it a wonderful camera.
However, I been using advanced film cameras for years and although
I can learn to live without many features, not being abl to choose
my metering pattern, AF mode or apply FEC is too much. Tell me in
what way having just those three features would harm a 10D sale.
Heck I'd pay $50 more for them.

It's amazing Nikon can offer almost a D100 for $999.
Click to expand...
Where was Nikon 6 months ago? It hardly makes sense to compare -
the D70 will not be out for another 2 months, and 7-8 months is a
long time in DSLR technology and price evolution.
--
Misha
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It's my money and it is highly valid to compare. D70 will ship in
March. Of course one day Canon will have something better to offer,
but I have money to spend now. I've waited all this time for
digital and for me the 300D and even 10D don't cut it for me. I may
have to end up spending $4000+ for a 1D Mk II. Hopefully the
rumoures about a 10D replacement selling at about $1200 are right.
CAnon has the image quality but the bodies are letting them down.
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The Secret to Life is... Calcium!!
http://max-fun.fotopic.net
http://www.pbase.com/supperman
 
to your lower lip and flick it against your upper lip several times while uttering "uhhhh...." ;-)
Eugene Danilkis said:
I have no intention of arguing on the D70 vs the 300D issue here.
What i'd like to know is what you think Canon's response will be to
the D70? It's obvious they'll come out with something. Only
questions are what and when .

Will we see a legit firmware update?
A slightly upgraded body (300D Mark II)?
Decreased price?
No reaction in the immediate future from Canon?

It's important to consider the business side of this issue. After
all, there's nothing 'impressive' about the D70, really. It's just
that they chose to add features which Canon chose not to add. This
was a 100% business move. Canon could easily make a 400D with
equivalent or better features than the D70 at little or no cost to
them. The question is, will they? or should they?

Personally, i don't feel Canon will have a response anytime soon.
Probably not until summer later or fall. I think they feel they can
ride the momentum of the 300D as well as their lens lineup, the
slightly cheaper price and the Canon (and Rebel to many first-time
buyers) brand name. They already won a lot of converts by being the
first sub-$1000 DSLR and also being out for Christmas. From a
business side, i don't think they really 'need' to respond to the
D70 quite yet.
Click to expand...
 
Eugene Danilkis said:
It's important to consider the business side of this issue. After
all, there's nothing 'impressive' about the D70, really. It's just
that they chose to add features which Canon chose not to add. This
was a 100% business move. Canon could easily make a 400D with
equivalent or better features than the D70 at little or no cost to
them. The question is, will they? or should they?
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I believe the 300D MKII is in the wings.
Eugene Danilkis said:
Personally, i don't feel Canon will have a response anytime soon.
Probably not until summer later or fall. I think they feel they can
ride the momentum of the 300D as well as their lens lineup, the
slightly cheaper price and the Canon (and Rebel to many first-time
buyers) brand name. They already won a lot of converts by being the
first sub-$1000 DSLR and also being out for Christmas. From a
business side, i don't think they really 'need' to respond to the
D70 quite yet.
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Photography has suprisingly little to do with cameras; but indeed almost everything to do with the person behind the camera.
 
Eugene Danilkis said:
I have no intention of arguing on the D70 vs the 300D issue here.
What i'd like to know is what you think Canon's response will be to
the D70? It's obvious they'll come out with something. Only
questions are what and when .

Will we see a legit firmware update?
A slightly upgraded body (300D Mark II)?
Decreased price?
No reaction in the immediate future from Canon?

It's important to consider the business side of this issue. After
all, there's nothing 'impressive' about the D70, really. It's just
that they chose to add features which Canon chose not to add. This
was a 100% business move. Canon could easily make a 400D with
equivalent or better features than the D70 at little or no cost to
them. The question is, will they? or should they?

Personally, i don't feel Canon will have a response anytime soon.
Probably not until summer later or fall. I think they feel they can
ride the momentum of the 300D as well as their lens lineup, the
slightly cheaper price and the Canon (and Rebel to many first-time
buyers) brand name. They already won a lot of converts by being the
first sub-$1000 DSLR and also being out for Christmas. From a
business side, i don't think they really 'need' to respond to the
D70 quite yet.
Click to expand...
 
Eugene Danilkis said:
I have no intention of arguing on the D70 vs the 300D issue here.
What i'd like to know is what you think Canon's response will be to
the D70? It's obvious they'll come out with something. Only
questions are what and when .

Will we see a legit firmware update?
A slightly upgraded body (300D Mark II)?
Decreased price?
No reaction in the immediate future from Canon?

It's important to consider the business side of this issue. After
all, there's nothing 'impressive' about the D70, really. It's just
that they chose to add features which Canon chose not to add. This
was a 100% business move. Canon could easily make a 400D with
equivalent or better features than the D70 at little or no cost to
them. The question is, will they? or should they?

Personally, i don't feel Canon will have a response anytime soon.
Probably not until summer later or fall. I think they feel they can
ride the momentum of the 300D as well as their lens lineup, the
slightly cheaper price and the Canon (and Rebel to many first-time
buyers) brand name. They already won a lot of converts by being the
first sub-$1000 DSLR and also being out for Christmas. From a
business side, i don't think they really 'need' to respond to the
D70 quite yet.
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Since Canon has previously announced an aggressive rollout of new units this year, one has to assume the 300D will be replaced. I view the D70 as a great development for Canon users. Without a real competitive threat, Canon has no incentive to come out with a better product for less. It appears Nikon is the only company left that can mount a challenge to the Canon charge for total dominance.

Roger
 
rogerj said:
Since Canon has previously announced an aggressive rollout of new
units this year, one has to assume the 300D will be replaced. I
view the D70 as a great development for Canon users. Without a
real competitive threat, Canon has no incentive to come out with a
better product for less. It appears Nikon is the only company left
that can mount a challenge to the Canon charge for total dominance.
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It said "20 compact digital cameras":
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03121801canons20newcamera.asp
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Misha
 
supra_dave said:
I think there will be no reaction within the first months. Simply
because Canon cannot cope with the current 300D market demand. Why
should they change plan if they can't manufacture such massive
amounts of 300D's?

A friend of mine ordered a European version of the 300D (here in
the Netherlands) 3 months ago AND IS STILL WAITING... I bought a
gray imported USA version because I was tired of waiting after a
month.

So tell me, why the hell much Canon react with another
announcement? maybe they think about it if demands are going to
drop. But I guess that's not going to happen within the first 4-6
months.
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There's no reason for Canon to low prices or make a new model yet. It's still selling so much. D70 seems to be a little better on a paper, but for me the extra $300 is too much in the kit packages (I can get a 75-300mm with that money!). I choose to take the 75-300mm and not the features that D70 has. I think that the other customers will do this also.
 
.............mainly because it cost less and will have more shelf exposure in dept stores than Nikon products do.

You have to remove yourself from the forum perspective and put yourself in the shoes of the average potential entry level dslr consumer who is probably wanting to step up from his P+S digicam. His main priority will be price and with a $300.00 (kit) price differential you can bet Canon won't be losing many sales.

Those Best Buy/Sears sales associates won't be knowing the feature/operational differences anymore than those people off the street do.

You simply cannot assume that the forums are representative of the choice of the average potential purchaser or do they represent a substantial numbers of sales. I think the photo magazines are more of an influence.
John
Eugene Danilkis said:
I have no intention of arguing on the D70 vs the 300D issue here.
What i'd like to know is what you think Canon's response will be to
the D70? It's obvious they'll come out with something. Only
questions are what and when .

Will we see a legit firmware update?
A slightly upgraded body (300D Mark II)?
Decreased price?
No reaction in the immediate future from Canon?

It's important to consider the business side of this issue. After
all, there's nothing 'impressive' about the D70, really. It's just
that they chose to add features which Canon chose not to add. This
was a 100% business move. Canon could easily make a 400D with
equivalent or better features than the D70 at little or no cost to
them. The question is, will they? or should they?

Personally, i don't feel Canon will have a response anytime soon.
Probably not until summer later or fall. I think they feel they can
ride the momentum of the 300D as well as their lens lineup, the
slightly cheaper price and the Canon (and Rebel to many first-time
buyers) brand name. They already won a lot of converts by being the
first sub-$1000 DSLR and also being out for Christmas. From a
business side, i don't think they really 'need' to respond to the
D70 quite yet.
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