We will end up in jail!!!

Good question. The short truth is I'm not sure.
Possible explanation is:

-Canon forgot to file patents on the EF mount, or it is not patentable for some technical reason.
-It is to Canon's interest that there is a market for Canon compatible products.
-Because when that started, there was no DMCA in place.

-Because there is some difference that allows them to argue that a cartridge is circunventing something, and a lens isn't.

Daniella said:

José Luís Malaquias said:

dLESKO said:

Also, reverse engineering is legal in many countries, especially
when it is to make a piece of equipment work as the owner of said
equipment desires.

dlesko

José Luís Malaquias said:

There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

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I don't know about you people, but me being born a red blooded American, I wont take a civics lesson from someone that knows nothing of what being an american is about...

To say that we do not know the laws of our own country is ignorant...Or that we do not know our own political party's that represent our laws is even more rediculous..Granteed there are Americans that choose to not care, but thats there right to choose not to be informed..To judge us as a whole nation as being ignorant to our own laws is a bit of an over statment.

I'm very proud to be an American, and I also suport the leaders we as a people put in office to govern this great land. You know why? it's my choice and freedom to do so. I may not agree 100% with our leaders, but by god I surely suport the work they do.

If you don't like U.S.A. then don't come here..Don't buy an american made product that would subject you to there patents and copyrite laws..Buy a camera produced in your own country, or anothers..You'll be subjected to there Copyrite and patent laws instead..whatever you decide is fine with me, I grant you I'll not loose any sleep over it. You know why? because I'll rest peacfuly knowing that I'm laying my head down in the greatest country on the face of this earth.

José Luís Malaquias said:

I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.

salspalden said:

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

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By the way, your camera is japanese, not american. Sorry to break it to you.

Brian said:

To say that we do not know the laws of our own country is
ignorant...Or that we do not know our own political party's that
represent our laws is even more rediculous..Granteed there are
Americans that choose to not care, but thats there right to choose
not to be informed..To judge us as a whole nation as being ignorant
to our own laws is a bit of an over statment.

I'm very proud to be an American, and I also suport the leaders we
as a people put in office to govern this great land. You know why?
it's my choice and freedom to do so. I may not agree 100% with our
leaders, but by god I surely suport the work they do.

If you don't like U.S.A. then don't come here..Don't buy an
american made product that would subject you to there patents and
copyrite laws..Buy a camera produced in your own country, or
anothers..You'll be subjected to there Copyrite and patent laws
instead..whatever you decide is fine with me, I grant you I'll not
loose any sleep over it. You know why? because I'll rest peacfuly
knowing that I'm laying my head down in the greatest country on the
face of this earth.

José Luís Malaquias said:

I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.

salspalden said:

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

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I was refering to any product american made, or owned by an american company..

And don't be sorry, I'm a sociopathic american, what do I care?

José Luís Malaquias said:

Brian said:

To say that we do not know the laws of our own country is
ignorant...Or that we do not know our own political party's that
represent our laws is even more rediculous..Granteed there are
Americans that choose to not care, but thats there right to choose
not to be informed..To judge us as a whole nation as being ignorant
to our own laws is a bit of an over statment.

I'm very proud to be an American, and I also suport the leaders we
as a people put in office to govern this great land. You know why?
it's my choice and freedom to do so. I may not agree 100% with our
leaders, but by god I surely suport the work they do.

If you don't like U.S.A. then don't come here..Don't buy an
american made product that would subject you to there patents and
copyrite laws..Buy a camera produced in your own country, or
anothers..You'll be subjected to there Copyrite and patent laws
instead..whatever you decide is fine with me, I grant you I'll not
loose any sleep over it. You know why? because I'll rest peacfuly
knowing that I'm laying my head down in the greatest country on the
face of this earth.

José Luís Malaquias said:

I, for one, don't hate you, and I love visiting your country,
living and working with you.

Still, I think the DMCA is arrogant and imperialist, and I know
many Americans who agree with me on this. In fact, I think most
Americans hate that law, and it was voted by cheer lobby pressure.
I wonder if it would ever get 10% approval in a nation-wide
referendum.

Now, if you take the position that you have the money and the power
and so you can do whatever you want, then you WILL attract hatred.
And you may find yourself in trouble when you see that you can't
foot the bill on your own cause you're not as rich as you thought,
and you have to go ask other people to help you get out of the mess
you got yourselves into.

But, again, I don't think most Americans share that view. Most
Americans are reasonable people. Like most Europeans. It's just
that the hot heads scream louder.

In fact, most Americans didn't vote for this President.

salspalden said:

Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention?

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José Luís Malaquias said:

Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.

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What is DMCA? Another American piece of legislation that they want the entire world to honour even if they don't know anything about its existence?

Sorry, I choose to obey the laws of my country, not those of the US or whatever other country.

Furthermore, I am going to use the camera I've legitimately bought in whichever way I like, because it is MINE.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out there to get you...

I agree with you that was the whole point of my post.

Gediminas 8 said:

José Luís Malaquias said:

Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.

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What is DMCA? Another American piece of legislation that they want
the entire world to honour even if they don't know anything about
its existence?

Sorry, I choose to obey the laws of my country, not those of the US
or whatever other country.

Furthermore, I am going to use the camera I've legitimately bought
in whichever way I like, because it is MINE.

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sorry. this isn't a violation of the DMCA.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1201.html

as far as I know, the firmware isn't protected by any form of encryption, thus isn't a DMCA violation to reverse engineer.

"Yep, that's us. You have us pegged. Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

As a nation, we're used to being hated.

We really don't care.

Know why?

Cause we have all the power and money.

Know why?

Cause we're Capitalist Imperialist pig-dogs.

Haven't you been paying attention? "

I happen to be an american, I have also much experience in world forums, I know many people from many countries and I have to admit I am ashamed to be an american, but I hide it. I am a white male from Washington, USA. I hear the local guy at the gas station on the corner put down canadians and french, germans, all the time, and I laff with him. But in all honesty, the US is a sad country...

and to the guy that posted that qoute I put up above, we aren't rich, and we aren't even the most powerful country in the world. Many americans don't know that... but China, the coutry which has been the greatest most powerful country in the world for over 1,000 yrs before us, is slowly gaining on us again, and within 10 yrs will easily be the most powerful country in the world again, their economy has been on a steady rise for decades, they have the largest army in the world, overall, they are > than us.

Now about the law, I think why it's illegal ANYWHERE in the world, wether it be Europe or America, is because it's an american company... just becuase the product is in Europe doesn't mean anything, like having a european girl raped in america, wouldn't you guys want to prosecute the guy, wether the girl was raped in europe OR america, what if we didn't have a law against it?

C'est domage (if you meant all Americans. I think they all deserve a few months in jail for being so selfish, greedy, thoughtless, and arrogant. DMCA indeed! What a violation of other countries' sovereignty). Elsewise, brave statement.

CSB said:

It is impossible to put in jail the whole nation.


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If it wasnt for the design and development done in the United States you people wouldnt have computers...never the less something to hack!

José Luís Malaquias said:

Daniella said:

wooffy said:

José Luís Malaquias said:

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

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Simple solution: don't visit the US. They've already shown they
won't respect your passport and will deport you to any country they
wish to. My lover is planning a trip, and he made of point of
booking a flight with no change-over in the US. According to his
travel agent many people request that now.

Yes, installing hacked firmware is a violation of DMCA. Yes, it
voids the warranty. Yes, there is a slight chance it may cause
problems in the future. In reality there is very little to fear,
and the extra 10 or so RAW files on a memory card are well worth it
to me.

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I have not come accross a more outragous post in this forum to date.

It's a shame that your fellow Americans have to bear the brunt of what a few people like yourself project onto the world as "American".

You, my friend, should be lucky if you can provide a job for yourself, let alone the "third world" people. While I have always maintained that I don't agree with the US government's policies but I like the few Americans that I know, I must admit that people like yourself are helping me to get a perspective on how those governments and their policies are there in the first place.

grdSavant said:

CSB said:

It is impossible to put in jail the whole nation.


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Oh, no! I didn't mean Americans at all. They are so law-abiding and moralistic, so defenceless in the face of all those ill-intentioned foreigners!



I said it was Russian saying. We have centuries of experience in avoiding a jail. Here is another deep thought describing Russian mentality: The severity of Russian law is surpassed only by the laxity of its enforcement



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Your post is very much out of line. It has NO place in this forum. If you want to discuss your political opinions about my country, please do so some where else where it is wanted. Trust me, I have views of my own, but out of respect to other members, I would not consider posting them here....

then again, that is the true difference in us I suppose.

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'Image is everything'

Can someone explain the process and how long it takes for technical patents and/or copyrights to take affect? I'm not sure which one we're talking about here, patents and/ore copyrights.

Steve

loupgarou said:

sorry. this isn't a violation of the DMCA.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1201.html

as far as I know, the firmware isn't protected by any form of
encryption, thus isn't a DMCA violation to reverse engineer.

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José Luís Malaquias said:

There is one argument that all the doomsayers out there still
haven't thought of.
Running the hack is a violation of the DMCA.
Hacking a product to enable features that were purposedly disables
is a crime. Even if you commit it outside the US, and never intend
to go there in your life.
A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

I think we should deserve to vote for the US government, since we
are under its laws. At least I know someone who would never get a
second term.

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Lots of reading in this one. I say do it. the government is too preocupied with Janet Jacksons breast to worry about people who hack their digital camera's firmware.

PHGN said:

If you are a citizen then if the law violates the Constitution,
Bill of Rights, other laws, then the law is illegal and thus
doesn't stand. But it was passed so I guess that it's legal, at
least in the eyes of the judicial branch.

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No. Congress passes laws every once in a while that end up being thrown out as unconstitutional. For that to happen, though, someone has to challenge the law in court before the judicial branch acts. So far, the DMCA has not been challenged. In principle, you can challenge all the way to the Supreme Court which has the final say. Most things get resolved at lower levels in the court systems. Some laws, even though they may be of questionable constitutionality, stay on the books because they are not challenged. If a law is too goofy, often it is not enforced. The police and prosecutors have considerable flexibility and "common sense" often prevails.

PHGN said:

As a citizen you do have
the right to vote, and all the other rights.

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The DMCA is a piece of junk. If you think that those living outside of the USA care a dead rats a... about it then you should think again. If it is a feature IN the camera, and I BOUGHT the camera I CAN DO WHATEVER I PLEASE with the camera, and it includes (and is NOT LIMITED to) hacking it.

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New to photography
Willing to learn!!!

Sorry, but computers were invented in England, and the first American computer was conceived by a Hungarian.

digiDude said:

José Luís Malaquias said:

Daniella said:

wooffy said:

José Luís Malaquias said:

A russian programmer was once arrested because while in Moscow he
circunvented a sloppy copy protection scheme by Adobe.

Don't you love it that Uncle Sam feels free to legislate on what we
foreigners can do in our own country?

Click to expand...

Simple solution: don't visit the US. They've already shown they
won't respect your passport and will deport you to any country they
wish to. My lover is planning a trip, and he made of point of
booking a flight with no change-over in the US. According to his
travel agent many people request that now.

Yes, installing hacked firmware is a violation of DMCA. Yes, it
voids the warranty. Yes, there is a slight chance it may cause
problems in the future. In reality there is very little to fear,
and the extra 10 or so RAW files on a memory card are well worth it
to me.

--
http://www.patcroteau.com

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http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

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I wish some great photographs, with or without the hack.

Batman 2000 said:

The DMCA is a piece of junk. If you think that those living
outside of the USA care a dead rats a... about it then you should
think again. If it is a feature IN the camera, and I BOUGHT the
camera I CAN DO WHATEVER I PLEASE with the camera, and it includes
(and is NOT LIMITED to) hacking it.

--
EOS Rebel/Canon S50 Owner
New to photography
Willing to learn!!!

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