VOTE HERE to WAKE UP Canon!!!

Builder said:

110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

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Short change us ? How ? By bringing us the first sub $1000 DSLR? By
forcing people like Nikon to compete in this arena and giving us
choice? By creating an entire new market?

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Builder said:

Builder said:

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

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You mean namely to give us a 10D for the price of a 300D killing
one of their product lines. If you wanted a 10D, you should have
bought a 10D. You knew about these differences when you bought it.

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Builder said:

Builder said:

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

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You demand do you ? Good luck there!

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Builder said:

Builder said:

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

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No, what is happening here is standard product lifecycle stuff.
When you bought your 300D you knew what it could do. If you thought
that it would suddenly be able to do more at some point in the
future, then I think YOU need the wake up call.

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Builder said:

Your camera was never going to be the best on the market. It was
never even going to be the best in it's class for very long. That's
the joy of technology... anything you buy today is obsolete next
week.

What you SHOULD have done was buy a camera that could do what you
wanted it to do. And if it does that, then who cares what someone
else's camera can do ?

Builder said:

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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You have to defend your purchase decision? Then maybe you bought
this camera for the wrong reasons. It's a camera, used to take
pictures. Not a status symbol used to elevate you to the level of
some kind of uber-snapper.

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José Luís Malaquias said:

Pec-Kiro said:

You pays your money and you makes your choice. Nobody is forcing
you to buy a damned thing.

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Exactly my point. I am not being forced to buy anything, and I am
not forcing them to give me anything. It's a free choice on both
sides.

But I will be nice to them if they are nice to me, if you will
allow me.

If I am given an update to my camera half-way through the product
cycle, I am inclined to buy Canon again, the next time around. I am
a young man, and I am bound to buy plenty of cameras in my lifetime.

If I am left out in the rain, because some short-sighted manager at
Canon thinks I am a "past" customer that has forked the money
already, then the next time I may shop somewhere else.

The bottom line is that brand loyalty is a two-way street.

José Luís Malaquias said:

Photography has surprisingly little to do with cameras, but almost
EVERYTHING to do with the person behind that camera.

http://www.pbase.com/drsandell/root

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--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/

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110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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maxrulez said:

Sorry if I ruffled feathers. I just wante3d to try and understand
the logic in the thoughts behind this thread. I hope Canon does do
something. I dont see them stealing sales from the 10d by giving
the 300d features that make the difference between the two. I
guess the 10d owners will have a metal casing. Thats one upgrade I
dont see Canon offering the 300d. Unless people complain enough I
guess.

110percent said:

And if I may add:

I certainly don't want to pay for a 300D replacement with only its
crippled features back...

In fact, I will be infuriated even jsut to see that happens...

110%

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Simon said:

110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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110percent said:

110percent said:

Short change us ? How ? By bringing us the first sub $1000 DSLR? By
forcing people like Nikon to compete in this arena and giving us
choice? By creating an entire new market?

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And if 300D is fully featured, there won't be a 70D...

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110percent said:

110percent said:

You mean namely to give us a 10D for the price of a 300D killing
one of their product lines. If you wanted a 10D, you should have
bought a 10D. You knew about these differences when you bought it.

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So, you encourage Canon engineers to cripple the feature sets just
protect its more expensive product?? Is that how the consumer wins
at the end??

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110percent said:

Also, I now know the differences between D70 and 300D....

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110percent said:

110percent said:

No, what is happening here is standard product lifecycle stuff.
When you bought your 300D you knew what it could do. If you thought
that it would suddenly be able to do more at some point in the
future, then I think YOU need the wake up call.

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By a simple uncrippling of the function - for crying out loud, all
we need is to have three buttons to set those three functions - all
the existing program are on-board...

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110percent said:

110percent said:

You have to defend your purchase decision? Then maybe you bought
this camera for the wrong reasons. It's a camera, used to take
pictures. Not a status symbol used to elevate you to the level of
some kind of uber-snapper.

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I happen to be in a university photo club and there are many
members in the club asking for my opinion re the camera and also
some zealous nikon user of my club are making quite an unpleasant
comparison between 300D and 70D

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ToddAP said:

110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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--
Todd Putman

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110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Click to expand...

Builder said:

110percent said:

I happen to be in a university photo club and there are many
members in the club asking for my opinion re the camera and also
some zealous nikon user of my club are making quite an unpleasant
comparison between 300D and 70D

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110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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Builder said:

110percent said:

Builder said:

Short change us ? How ? By bringing us the first sub $1000 DSLR? By
forcing people like Nikon to compete in this arena and giving us
choice? By creating an entire new market?

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And if 300D is fully featured, there won't be a 70D...

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Do you honestly believe that? I can just see the Nikon guys now...
"Oh well, Canon have too good a camera. I guess that there's just
no point in making one ourselves now that will sell in the
thousands to people who already have Nikon glass"

You've never worked in the commercial world have you? You actually
believe in things like 100% market penetration ? You believe that
people will scrap an investment of THOUSANDS or tens of thousands
of dollars in glass to move to the Canon just because it has better
features ? Do you believe that everyone who takes pictures for a
living is just a spoilt little rich kid ?

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Builder said:

Builder said:

Builder said:

You mean namely to give us a 10D for the price of a 300D killing
one of their product lines. If you wanted a 10D, you should have
bought a 10D. You knew about these differences when you bought it.

Click to expand...

So, you encourage Canon engineers to cripple the feature sets just
protect its more expensive product?? Is that how the consumer wins
at the end??

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I encourage Canon (and remember, their engineers didn't spec /
build this camera, so you might wanna lay off them a little see?)
to create products that meet market needs. I really don't give a
monkey's how they do this. If the market has space for (and the way
these are shipping, believe me, the space is there) a lesser
version of a 10D, then I say give them that.

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Builder said:

Are you saying that Canon should retool an entire line to produce a
camera that isn't a crippled version of another one? Do you know
what that would cost? The new camera wouldn't BE competitive then!
Do you believe that Canon shouldn't be allowed to present a product
to the market and let them make that choice ?

Who forced you to buy this camera ? You really sound like a gun was
put to your head! Believe me, if I could get my hands on one of
these with an international warranty, I would have bought one this
week. I'd buy one TODAY if I could (Damn you to hell BestBuy )

Builder said:

Also, I now know the differences between D70 and 300D....

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Yes, but when you bought your 300D there WAS NO D70. You made a
choice at a point in time.

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Builder said:

Builder said:

Builder said:

No, what is happening here is standard product lifecycle stuff.
When you bought your 300D you knew what it could do. If you thought
that it would suddenly be able to do more at some point in the
future, then I think YOU need the wake up call.

Click to expand...

By a simple uncrippling of the function - for crying out loud, all
we need is to have three buttons to set those three functions - all
the existing program are on-board...

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You mean by simply destroying an entire product line / revenue
stream. Me , me , me , me.

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Builder said:

Builder said:

Builder said:

You have to defend your purchase decision? Then maybe you bought
this camera for the wrong reasons. It's a camera, used to take
pictures. Not a status symbol used to elevate you to the level of
some kind of uber-snapper.

Click to expand...

I happen to be in a university photo club and there are many
members in the club asking for my opinion re the camera and also
some zealous nikon user of my club are making quite an unpleasant
comparison between 300D and 70D

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Um. Diddums! If you're that immature that the mean people making
nasty comments about your camera upsets you, then you need to
re-evaluate your values in life.

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Builder said:

Just out of utter curiosity - What are you studying at University
and in which country ?

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cgregb1 said:

I upgraded my firmware from the factory delivered to 2.0.0.0 a
month or so ago. I installed the FEC compensation program on my
computer and now I change the FEC compensation as I see fit.

Sounds to me as if you haven't taken advantage of the upgrades and
software that is available today in the market.

But I am an amateur. I've only shot 4000 pictures on my DR (bought
end of November 2003). I only own two lenses and a doubler. I
only have a 420 ES. I only shoot indoors, portraits and outdoors.
I've only done a couple of weddings, a couple of theatre
performances, a couple of construction projects, many buildings
(architecture), many social events at church, a few really good
sunsets/sundowns, a couple of double rainbows, and many hundreds of
personal portraits. So I am no expert.

I enjoy the camera. I upgrade the firmware. I change the FEC.
The camera makes great pictures. I learn a lot from these forums
too.

So you all keep talking and I'll keep shooting and installing the
upgrades. I'll get to be as good as you all someday!
--
Greg B in Phoenix

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110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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110percent said:

Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision

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Pec-Kiro said:

--
Photography has surprisingly little to do with cameras, but almost
EVERYTHING to do with the person behind that camera.

http://www.pbase.com/drsandell/root

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110percent said:

People can choose not to voice their opinion (or, in some cases,
even preclude others from voicing it),

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110percent said:

I did not ask people like you and Steven to post fierce reply in
defending Canon.

If you want to do that, please start a new thread it elsewhere!

110%

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