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VOTE HERE to WAKE UP Canon!!!
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erik franzen
Active member
--Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
bostonpro
when they release the firmware.You guys are idiots with too much time on your hands.
Remember if you don't ask you won't get.
And only the idiots won't ask because they don't even realise what they are missing.
--
Andrew Mullan
Pec-Kiro
Well-known member
You pays your money and you makes your choice. Nobody is forcing you to buy a damned thing.Well, I am certainly not going to buy a new camera anytime soon.
And if they release the firmware, I will be a Canon happy camper,
and my next camera will probably be a Canon.
If they try to force me into buying a new camera, then I'll get a
Nikon.
Photography has surprisingly little to do with cameras, but almost EVERYTHING to do with the person behind that camera.
http://www.pbase.com/drsandell/root
Short change us ? How ? By bringing us the first sub $1000 DSLR? By forcing people like Nikon to compete in this arena and giving us choice? By creating an entire new market?Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
You mean namely to give us a 10D for the price of a 300D killing one of their product lines. If you wanted a 10D, you should have bought a 10D. You knew about these differences when you bought it.I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
You demand do you ? Good luck there!Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
No, what is happening here is standard product lifecycle stuff. When you bought your 300D you knew what it could do. If you thought that it would suddenly be able to do more at some point in the future, then I think YOU need the wake up call.Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
Your camera was never going to be the best on the market. It was never even going to be the best in it's class for very long. That's the joy of technology... anything you buy today is obsolete next week.
What you SHOULD have done was buy a camera that could do what you wanted it to do. And if it does that, then who cares what someone else's camera can do ?
You have to defend your purchase decision? Then maybe you bought this camera for the wrong reasons. It's a camera, used to take pictures. Not a status symbol used to elevate you to the level of some kind of uber-snapper.110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
Jordan Robbins
Senior Member
If canon does do this they will not only make their customers very happy but also stall the sales of the higher priced d70 before it is even released!
-Jordan
-Jordan
-Jordan
--Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
-Jordan
Pec-Kiro
Well-known member
AMEN!Short change us ? How ? By bringing us the first sub $1000 DSLR? ByOkay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
forcing people like Nikon to compete in this arena and giving us
choice? By creating an entire new market?
You mean namely to give us a 10D for the price of a 300D killingI urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
one of their product lines. If you wanted a 10D, you should have
bought a 10D. You knew about these differences when you bought it.
You demand do you ? Good luck there!Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
No, what is happening here is standard product lifecycle stuff.Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
When you bought your 300D you knew what it could do. If you thought
that it would suddenly be able to do more at some point in the
future, then I think YOU need the wake up call.
Your camera was never going to be the best on the market. It was
never even going to be the best in it's class for very long. That's
the joy of technology... anything you buy today is obsolete next
week.
What you SHOULD have done was buy a camera that could do what you
wanted it to do. And if it does that, then who cares what someone
else's camera can do ?
You have to defend your purchase decision? Then maybe you bought110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
this camera for the wrong reasons. It's a camera, used to take
pictures. Not a status symbol used to elevate you to the level of
some kind of uber-snapper.
--
Photography has surprisingly little to do with cameras, but almost EVERYTHING to do with the person behind that camera.
http://www.pbase.com/drsandell/root
Cold in Manitoba
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Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
José Luís Malaquias
Senior Member
There are plenty of examples, especially in the computer world.
My Linksys router can now do plenty of stuff it couldn't do in the beginning, cause I upgraded its firmware for free.
Many Pocket PCs allow you to upgrade the OS firmware to the latest version for a fee. Now, you get a whole new Pocket PC with new functionality.
Almost all my Laptops had firmware upgrades, many of which brought features like ACPI that weren't there before.
My scanner is now more reliable since I upgraded its firmware.
I won't even tell you about the dozens of products that improved dramatically cause I was offered new drivers.
If you want an example in the photo world, Minolta has done it to one of its cameras, releasing a new version with some features enabled, and allowing previous users to upgrade their firmware as well.
In fact, that's the whole point of having flash roms in electronic devices. So that they can be upgraded. Otherwise, a cheap ROM would be fine.
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
My Linksys router can now do plenty of stuff it couldn't do in the beginning, cause I upgraded its firmware for free.
Many Pocket PCs allow you to upgrade the OS firmware to the latest version for a fee. Now, you get a whole new Pocket PC with new functionality.
Almost all my Laptops had firmware upgrades, many of which brought features like ACPI that weren't there before.
My scanner is now more reliable since I upgraded its firmware.
I won't even tell you about the dozens of products that improved dramatically cause I was offered new drivers.
If you want an example in the photo world, Minolta has done it to one of its cameras, releasing a new version with some features enabled, and allowing previous users to upgrade their firmware as well.
In fact, that's the whole point of having flash roms in electronic devices. So that they can be upgraded. Otherwise, a cheap ROM would be fine.
--That's why I didn't start a petition when we don't have access to
detial specs of D70.
If today D70 has similar specs as 300D, then I will continue to
work with 300D's limitations.
But since the introduction of the formidable D70, I started this
thread to gather momentum in urging Canon, in the face of fierce
competition, not to forget its first batch of 300D users (for e.g.
roll out new model with features uncrippled and asked us to pay for
it)...
110%
cameras to the new entry level, even if for a fee. If they do that,
- They can have producer loyalty and they will let us upgrade our
they can also count on my consumer loyalty the next time I'm in the
market for a new camera.
should buy a new camera. I will accept that, cause it's their right
- Or they can say they're here to make money, and if I want more, I
to do so, and I won't feel any consumer loyalty remorse when I buy
my next camera from Nikon.
--Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
Correction, Dave, quite frankly, I will buy a D70 instead...
And, as a grateful user of Canon, that's the last thing I want to do...
But if Canon doesn't act, it would certainly be my recommedation to all my friends to buy a D70 instead of a crippled 300D....
Before D70 comes out, I didn't make a petition post like because people will say "just go and buy 10D"... but now it's time...
When I say we need to wake up Canon, I am not talking about the direct competition from its more expensive model, 10D, I am referring o the formidable D70 for the same price!
110%
And, as a grateful user of Canon, that's the last thing I want to do...
But if Canon doesn't act, it would certainly be my recommedation to all my friends to buy a D70 instead of a crippled 300D....
Before D70 comes out, I didn't make a petition post like because people will say "just go and buy 10D"... but now it's time...
When I say we need to wake up Canon, I am not talking about the direct competition from its more expensive model, 10D, I am referring o the formidable D70 for the same price!
110%
Look, these "features" are remaining from the film Rebel. Why, whenSelectable focus mode means being able to select the focusing mode.
ie. between one-shot and AI-servo.
Rather than having the 300D to decide when to engage AI-servo or to
prevent 300D to engage it incorrectly (ie. when recomposing),
slectable focus mode is essential.
they come with a digital version of the probably most successful
autofocus SLR of all times, would they want to make changes. They
didn't and the camera is the biggest success story ever.
Quite simply, 110% you need to buy a 10D. Complaining about the
feature set of a camera when you could have gone with more money
and gotten the feature set you wanted is just the same old
disillusionment we have been moaning with on this forum for three
months. It seems absolutely ludicrous to be second guessing Canon
for coming with the most popular DSLR camera yet. They obviously
have put together a winning package. Thinking that they will change
it so it is direct competition with their more expensive models is
so ridiculous that I'm astounded that a majority of you complainers
haven't realized that yet.
--
Dave Lewis
José Luís Malaquias
Senior Member
True.
But smart companies don't leave their previous customers out in the rain.
It is unreasonable of Canon to expect me to buy a new camera in six months.
But it is reasonable for them to expect me to buy a new one in two years.
Now, the camera I will buy in two years depends on how happy I will be with them then. And, let me assure you, I will be happier if get this upgrade.
I may get cranky if I don't get it, knowing that it wouldn't cost them a dime.
And when I get cranky, I change brands.
When I'm spoiled, I stick with the brand.
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
But smart companies don't leave their previous customers out in the rain.
It is unreasonable of Canon to expect me to buy a new camera in six months.
But it is reasonable for them to expect me to buy a new one in two years.
Now, the camera I will buy in two years depends on how happy I will be with them then. And, let me assure you, I will be happier if get this upgrade.
I may get cranky if I don't get it, knowing that it wouldn't cost them a dime.
And when I get cranky, I change brands.
When I'm spoiled, I stick with the brand.
----THAT is surely true. Canon is here to make money... and Nikon too.
- Or they can say they're here to make money,
And we, as consumers, are here to hand over as much money as
possible. This system is what other people call "free
competition". Prices are decreasing and performance increasing.
But we, as consumers, give more and more money. That's the beauty
of this system ;-)
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
And if I may add:
I certainly don't want to pay for a 300D replacement with only its crippled features back...
In fact, I will be infuriated even jsut to see that happens...
110%
I certainly don't want to pay for a 300D replacement with only its crippled features back...
In fact, I will be infuriated even jsut to see that happens...
110%
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
Exactly! Couldn't be more well put, my friend.So if this group has an organized way of presenting their requests
to Canon, I would be for it. I mean, nothing ventured, nothing
gained..right?
People can choose not to voice their opinion (or, in some cases, even preclude others from voicing it), but at the end of the day, one thing for sure is that if you make no plea, there certainly won't be any action from Canon. But if you make some coordinated plea, there is a slight chance!!
And the introduciton of D70 is our best opportunity!
That's why I start this petition!
110%
Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
José Luís Malaquias
Senior Member
Exactly my point. I am not being forced to buy anything, and I am not forcing them to give me anything. It's a free choice on both sides.You pays your money and you makes your choice. Nobody is forcing
you to buy a damned thing.
But I will be nice to them if they are nice to me, if you will allow me.
If I am given an update to my camera half-way through the product cycle, I am inclined to buy Canon again, the next time around. I am a young man, and I am bound to buy plenty of cameras in my lifetime.
If I am left out in the rain, because some short-sighted manager at Canon thinks I am a "past" customer that has forked the money already, then the next time I may shop somewhere else.
The bottom line is that brand loyalty is a two-way street.
--Photography has surprisingly little to do with cameras, but almost
EVERYTHING to do with the person behind that camera.
http://www.pbase.com/drsandell/root
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
And by replying to idiots makes you even more idiotic...
Try not to do personal attacks on this thread...
110%
Try not to do personal attacks on this thread...
110%
You guys are idiots with too much time on your hands.Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
andy brehm
Forum Enthusiast
.....
I think your missing the point. Canon released the 300d as a Budget featured DSLR. The 10D was their feature riched camera. Noiw that Nikon cjose to offer a supposedly much more feature rich camera and raise the bar. Of course the next step for any copmpany is to start planning a new/next upgrade. You can't design and sell cameras based on what might be available 6 months from now.
Sorry if I ruffled feathers. I just wante3d to try and understand the logic in the thoughts behind this thread. I hope Canon does do something. I dont see them stealing sales from the 10d by giving the 300d features that make the difference between the two. I guess the 10d owners will have a metal casing. Thats one upgrade I dont see Canon offering the 300d. Unless people complain enough I guess.
Sorry if I ruffled feathers. I just wante3d to try and understand the logic in the thoughts behind this thread. I hope Canon does do something. I dont see them stealing sales from the 10d by giving the 300d features that make the difference between the two. I guess the 10d owners will have a metal casing. Thats one upgrade I dont see Canon offering the 300d. Unless people complain enough I guess.
And if I may add:
I certainly don't want to pay for a 300D replacement with only its
crippled features back...
In fact, I will be infuriated even jsut to see that happens...
110%
AgiAta
Member
Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.
I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us
1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)
Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?
Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.
Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!
110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
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