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VOTE HERE to WAKE UP Canon!!!
- Thread starter 110percent
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Buick, Olds, Chevy and even Pontiac have very similar cars in the same price range....each with a different personality. same here. price isn't the only feature of a camera. I've noticed that trend in many posts and again...the system is what people buy....Nikon Glass, Canon Glass, feature sets each are known for. there are other features besides price that make them unique and able to capture the market. hence the reason why Nikon did the smart thing and priced it higher than the Canon.
-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
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-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
these types of petition posts have been around since day one of the 300D. Pointless really. The competition is what gives Canon the wake up call. Nikon's response did that. However, Canon is already set to Volley back. The new 300D is already in development. It's not like they sit around and wait to see what comes out and then scramble to the next camera phase.
also, the 300D users bought a lower priced, less feature rich camera. you got what you paid for and got more IMO really. why complain now. You can't turn a Chevy Lumina into an Acura TL.
-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
also, the 300D users bought a lower priced, less feature rich camera. you got what you paid for and got more IMO really. why complain now. You can't turn a Chevy Lumina into an Acura TL.
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-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
steve Clements
Well-known member
Thanks, Boo.
Saved me a lot of thinking and writing. I bought by Rebel from Abes two weeks ago, and while I don't even have it yet (I live in Australia), I am damn happy with my purchase. The chip in this beauty will enable me to take the pics I want.
I'll buy a second camera when the Rebel replacement hits the shelves; this may be a new model, it may even be a second Rebel, which will be discounted by then, lol.
I'm laughing.
Steve
http://sjcphotography.homestead.com/home.html
Saved me a lot of thinking and writing. I bought by Rebel from Abes two weeks ago, and while I don't even have it yet (I live in Australia), I am damn happy with my purchase. The chip in this beauty will enable me to take the pics I want.
I'll buy a second camera when the Rebel replacement hits the shelves; this may be a new model, it may even be a second Rebel, which will be discounted by then, lol.
I'm laughing.
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Steve
http://sjcphotography.homestead.com/home.html
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
It's an Acura in disguise, Tim...
If you scrap off the paint and installed the new GPS software, you get yourself an Acura...
Tempted? Yeah, join the club...
110%
p.s these type of petition posts have been around but not one since the introduction of D70 and many of them are simply based on discontent of the function. But now, we have something solid to compare with...
If you scrap off the paint and installed the new GPS software, you get yourself an Acura...
Tempted? Yeah, join the club...
110%
p.s these type of petition posts have been around but not one since the introduction of D70 and many of them are simply based on discontent of the function. But now, we have something solid to compare with...
LPG
Leading Member
I bought my Rebel at the start of this year. I knew what I was getting. I also knew that competion in the segment of the DSLR was going to really up. I knew that if I waited, newer models with more and better features would be out in the next 6 months....and ever better by the start of 2005.
I am satisfied with my purchase. If Canon upgrades the rebel's features through a firmware revision, I'll take it. My guess is they wont.
When I bougth my G1 in late 99, many on the Canon forum were requesting firmware upgrades.... Instead the G2 came out a year after.
Canon will come out with the Rebel 8 in September 2004.
........but I still want the firmware upgrade !
LPG
I am satisfied with my purchase. If Canon upgrades the rebel's features through a firmware revision, I'll take it. My guess is they wont.
When I bougth my G1 in late 99, many on the Canon forum were requesting firmware upgrades.... Instead the G2 came out a year after.
Canon will come out with the Rebel 8 in September 2004.
........but I still want the firmware upgrade !
LPG
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
As if your photography skill won't grow with time...
Many 300D users are amateurs and I, personally, have no idea how would these crippled features will affect me until I spend another $1000 on accessories and really getting into serious photography.
And now they are starting to haunt me. Knowing that these are deliberately removed I was little bit crossed. Now knowing that D70 has almost everything (did Nikon try to protect its D100 market by crippling D70? No, in fact, D70 outperforms D100!) makes me just a little bit more crossed as to post this petition to unite people and make Canon heard our voice!
110%
Many 300D users are amateurs and I, personally, have no idea how would these crippled features will affect me until I spend another $1000 on accessories and really getting into serious photography.
And now they are starting to haunt me. Knowing that these are deliberately removed I was little bit crossed. Now knowing that D70 has almost everything (did Nikon try to protect its D100 market by crippling D70? No, in fact, D70 outperforms D100!) makes me just a little bit more crossed as to post this petition to unite people and make Canon heard our voice!
110%
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
I think I can speak for thousands of 300D users if I say that this first affordable DSLR camera is a great succes.
Every day I shoot with this camera and return at home and looking at the pictures I've taken.....well I'm still very satisfied with the results.
And, if you have find a good workflow than it's easy to get beautifull shots.
All the other stuff is tecnical (pep)-talking.
It's nice to have more....but it isn't needed!
So this sort of threads are in fact an ode to Canon!
Users trust Canon that this 300D can do more than it does now (technically)! And in the future, if the storm is over, I indeel think that Canon provide us with new firmware. It's a question of time.
Regards, Arno
Every day I shoot with this camera and return at home and looking at the pictures I've taken.....well I'm still very satisfied with the results.
And, if you have find a good workflow than it's easy to get beautifull shots.
All the other stuff is tecnical (pep)-talking.
It's nice to have more....but it isn't needed!
So this sort of threads are in fact an ode to Canon!
Users trust Canon that this 300D can do more than it does now (technically)! And in the future, if the storm is over, I indeel think that Canon provide us with new firmware. It's a question of time.
Regards, Arno
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
Or, heaven forbids, buy a D70 with these features and save the money to buy a 17-70mm DX Nikon lens...
The choice is yours...
The choice is yours...
Lamont E. Earles
Forum Enthusiast
just yes!
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
Your post is so equivocal...
On one hand, you said you don't need more features and on the other hand, you want a firmware upgrade...In fact, you predict that Canon will give us a firmware without having us to fight for it...
I really don't know which side you are standing... sorry
110%
On one hand, you said you don't need more features and on the other hand, you want a firmware upgrade...In fact, you predict that Canon will give us a firmware without having us to fight for it...
I really don't know which side you are standing... sorry
110%
marbo uk
Forum Enthusiast
people new the features when the camera was bought. This is how Canon is seperating the entry level from the midline (10d). If these features were that important then perhaps you made the wronf purchase? Not wanting to start a Holy wAR HERE. iT IS KIND OF LIKE COMPUTER PARTS. yOU BUY AT THE LEVEL FOR THE QUALITITES YOU NEED IN A PRODUCT. iF THEY OFFER FIRMWARE UPGRADES FOR EVER LITTLE FEATURE A NEW CAMERA HAS THEY WILL NOT stay in business. I own a 300d and a 10d. I am a avid hoibbiestand am enjoying both cameras.
José Luís Malaquias
Senior Member
What you say is true up to a point.
At the time we dought the cameras, this was the entry level and the 10D was the midline.
But in March, that will no longer be true, since the D70 will redefine what the entry level is.
So, now Canon has two choices:
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
At the time we dought the cameras, this was the entry level and the 10D was the midline.
But in March, that will no longer be true, since the D70 will redefine what the entry level is.
So, now Canon has two choices:
- They can have producer loyalty and they will let us upgrade our cameras to the new entry level, even if for a fee. If they do that, they can also count on my consumer loyalty the next time I'm in the market for a new camera.
- Or they can say they're here to make money, and if I want more, I should buy a new camera. I will accept that, cause it's their right to do so, and I won't feel any consumer loyalty remorse when I buy my next camera from Nikon.
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http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
Well...perhaps you didn't understand me.
Let me explain it:
If Canon don't come with a firmware-upgrade...fine with me!
I'm satisfied with the camera.
If Canon comes with an firmware-upgrade in the future I say Thank you Canon....great support.
But let's honest...you pay what you get for....yes.
I think this thread is oke...but keep both feet on the ground!
It's very unlikely that Canon is "bending" because a 100 users of the 300D are complaining. If Canon comes with an upgrade it's because they are thinking it's a good marketing-police.
Don't forget that Canon has to cope with a large group of other users...yes the 10D boys (and girls).
On the short time...there's no chance for an upgrade, but after a year it's different. The gap between the 10D and 300D is gone!
Regards, Arno
Let me explain it:
If Canon don't come with a firmware-upgrade...fine with me!
I'm satisfied with the camera.
If Canon comes with an firmware-upgrade in the future I say Thank you Canon....great support.
But let's honest...you pay what you get for....yes.
I think this thread is oke...but keep both feet on the ground!
It's very unlikely that Canon is "bending" because a 100 users of the 300D are complaining. If Canon comes with an upgrade it's because they are thinking it's a good marketing-police.
Don't forget that Canon has to cope with a large group of other users...yes the 10D boys (and girls).
On the short time...there's no chance for an upgrade, but after a year it's different. The gap between the 10D and 300D is gone!
Regards, Arno
110percent
Forum Enthusiast
Well said Jose.
That's why I didn't start a petition when we don't have access to detial specs of D70.
If today D70 has similar specs as 300D, then I will continue to work with 300D's limitations.
But since the introduction of the formidable D70, I started this thread to gather momentum in urging Canon, in the face of fierce competition, not to forget its first batch of 300D users (for e.g. roll out new model with features uncrippled and asked us to pay for it)...
110%
That's why I didn't start a petition when we don't have access to detial specs of D70.
If today D70 has similar specs as 300D, then I will continue to work with 300D's limitations.
But since the introduction of the formidable D70, I started this thread to gather momentum in urging Canon, in the face of fierce competition, not to forget its first batch of 300D users (for e.g. roll out new model with features uncrippled and asked us to pay for it)...
110%
Simple an straight!!
That's how I too think about it.
Canon has to make choices!
If they make the right ones they can keep the Canon-crowd quiet!
I don't know what the right choices are, do you??
But I know one thing, consumers will react!
For me it's simple. I find the Rebel a good DSLR given the price I've paid for and I'm enyoing this cam every day!
But if there's something new out I look at it and if I can upgrade without too many costs, I will do that. Everybody does it!
With cars, boats, surfboards, girls (sorry..lol) and so on!
It's our nature...it's ous desteny...WE ARE CONSUMERS!!!
Regards, Arno
That's how I too think about it.
Canon has to make choices!
If they make the right ones they can keep the Canon-crowd quiet!
I don't know what the right choices are, do you??
But I know one thing, consumers will react!
For me it's simple. I find the Rebel a good DSLR given the price I've paid for and I'm enyoing this cam every day!
But if there's something new out I look at it and if I can upgrade without too many costs, I will do that. Everybody does it!
With cars, boats, surfboards, girls (sorry..lol) and so on!
It's our nature...it's ous desteny...WE ARE CONSUMERS!!!
Regards, Arno
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