VOTE HERE to WAKE UP Canon!!!

Well, I am certainly not going to buy a new camera anytime soon.

And if they release the firmware, I will be a Canon happy camper, and my next camera will probably be a Canon.
If they try to force me into buying a new camera, then I'll get a Nikon.
Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
Canon ain't stupid, they've got a lot of people to buy the 300D and
also buy a lot of lenses, if you have invested thousands in lenses
I doubt you will sell all your kit just to get the few features
that the D70 offers.
Canon are very good at pulling suprises out of the bag maybe we
will see a 10D update which I would seriously consider, even if its
a few hundred dollars or pounds more expensive of a Nikon
equivilent it won't bother me because that will still be less than
I would lose in selling all my lenses.
The only area Canon is going to lose out to is to pre DSLR owners
who have a bunch of Nikon lenses in the cupboard, and quite a few
of those have already bought the 300D.

Don't get me wrong if Canon upgrade the 300D I will be a customer
for life showing that they care for the needs of the consumer but
at the end of the day that dosn't make money.
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How can I forget these two?

I guess, so far (with the 12000+ photos that I have took), I am yet to miss these two features terribly.

110%
 
If you want to reply to my points, please do so in a courteous manner, by replying to the post I made and not shouting at me in a new subject line. If you just lost credibility with me, Canon are unlikely to take much notice.
Yes, there are plenty of posts like this one but the biggest
difference is that both D70 and 1D Mk II are out. Therefore, we are
in a better position to see what the future holds for our newly
acquied $999 camera.
No. You bought the camera on the day you did and at that point in time, it presumably met your needs - if it didn't, it's your mistake, live with it. Any high end technology market is constantly in flux and development, it's when manufacturers of the calibre of Nikon and Canon stop developing new products to stretch the market and the technology that we want to worry. There is always going to be a new model surfacing with better features - it will happen to every model that ever goes on sale - as soon as it does, you can guarantee that their direct competitiors will obtain one and rip it to pieces and adjust their market strategy accordingly. Because new models come onto the market with better featuresets and bigger sensors and a nicer body colour, it doesn't make the one you have stop taking great pictures. Whatever it was capable of last week, it will still be capable of in a year. I bought the Fuji 2800 about three years ago and it's still sitting on my desk here with batteries in and it gets used every week, as does my 602. The 2800 has been well surpassed in its niche by now, but it still takes great pictures and fulfils the need I bought it for.
And we are definitely in dire strait.
Again with the 'we'. I'm not, I'm ticking along with my Rebel quite nicely thank you. Please do not generalise and take on the mantra of speaking for everyone. You don't.
D70 is certainly more feature-rich than 300D.
And it will hit the market many months later - I'd expect it to be. I'd think pretty poorly of Nikon if it weren't. If you're more impressed with the D70 features, stick your 300D on eBay and buy they Nikon. It really is that simple.
And 1D Mk II doesn't support EF-S (our kit lens may be a one-hit
wonder that value nothing more than dirt after couple of years).
I don't think Canon led us to believe it would be anything else. It's a unique fitting for the 300D and for the price it added to the kit, gave a good starting piece of glass with a good and usable zoom range for camera use out of the box for those that didn't have any Canon glass already, like me. I hardly ever use mine, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I have on hand a cheap wide angle lens for the once in a while I use one.
All in all, it's hard for a DR user like me feeling short-changed
by Canon. And the last thing you want is for them to drop the price
or roll out a new model in 6-months.....
Join the real world for goodness sake. It is going to happen with every piece of technology you ever buy - there will ALWAYS be a new model coming out - I'd be prepared to bet that when the 300D was in devlopment, Canon already knew where they'd want to be in 5 years time, how many models they're likely to release and the feaures they hope to develop and the price points they aim to secure. I even bought a LowePro camera bag just before Christmas when it was reduced, it was exactly what I wanted and they only had one. A week later they'd got some more, put them in the sale at half what I paid for it. That's life, get over it, move on.
That's why I call up everyone to show Canon that its users are not
happy and we are, after all, the people who pay for their kid's
university fees...
Oh give it a rest, you sound like a 12 year old. Again, you do not speak for me. I am a happy Canon user. I am old enough to know that as soon as I bought the 300D, the next models were already well along in their development and would hit the counters soon and they'd have features I'd fancy - I still wanted it and at that point it met my needs and I was happy and still am, to use it.
Even if Canon didn't give us the firmware, if they change their
business practice (ie. no crippling but honest limitation), this
petition is deemed to be a successful one!
The word crippling is really starting to get my goat. If you thought the features on the 300D were crippling, why the hell did you buy it then!! Sell it on eBay and buy the Nikon as soon as it's out, if it has the features you want.

I would have been more impressed if you'd actually replied to my post and addressed the specific points I made, instead of launching into another anti-Canon tirade.

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Bad precident to BUY firmware! Those are part of an implied compact with manufactures, and are given as part of the service department. I bought my 300D for 999, and they beat Nikon by MONTHS. I knew full well what the features were, and say THANK YOU TO CANON for raising the bar for us proAM photogs (and lowering the price!) The D70 is Nikon's answer to to Canon, now the ball is in Canon's court for their NEXT cam they will put on the market, and if it is more than an incremental advance, where do I put my credit card? pablo
True. So perhaps such a firmware upgrade would cost a small amount
of cash, say $100?

-ran
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Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
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Regards, Stoffer
 
I ask people to post "Yes" if they feel they want Canon to listen to their customers.

I did not ask people like you and Steven to post fierce reply in defending Canon.

If you want to do that, please start a new thread it elsewhere!

110%
 
No (I paid a lot from my 10D)

:-)

Marko
Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
 
All in all, it's hard for a DR user like me feeling short-changed
by Canon. And the last thing you want is for them to drop the price
or roll out a new model in 6-months.....
Yes, we are all so short changed aren't we? We got a fantastic
camera at ground breaking prices and now some new models have come
out. Boo Hoo... What a disaster...

Do you cry everytime Intel or AMD bring out a higher clocked CPU
for a lower price. Do you cry that the latest video cards are
faster and cheaper than the previous generations?

This is called progress you know...
Steve:

Just wait until Canon release a new model with all the features uncrippled but nothing else...

Then I will be seeing you cry...

110%
 
But at least it keeps Canon engineer honest and keeps them roll out better camera rather than replying on crippling a camera to protect another one...

110%
 
If it's a more-than-incremental improvement (ie. beyond the uncrippling of features), for e.g metal balck body, bigger physical size of the buffer, penta prism, in less than 6-month, then we will all be crying...

110% saved hard for his 300D
 
Yup, same feeling from the 300D users when we see D70! :D

110%
:-)

Marko
Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
 
Okay now the D70 is out, I think it IS time for Canon to finally
wake up from its 3-months of business dream-run and start to put
consumer first rather than trying to short-change us.

I urge all the 300D / DR users to vote 'Yes' on the proposal to
un-cripple the 300D / DR with a free firmware upgrade. Namely, give
us

1. FEC control
2. Selectable metering mode - including spot metering if possible
3. Selectable focus mode
4. E-TTL II (with distance exposure)

Also, we demand an explanation of the future of EF-S lens (since
1Ds Mk II is not EF-S compatible), is there going to be a lens
similar to Nikon 17-70mm in the near future?

Just hit reply and say "Yes" on the subkect heading.

Come on, guys! Let's send a wake-up call to Canon because it seems
like Nikon is brewing coffee already!

110% getting afraid to recommend 300D to friends and getting tired
to defend my purchase decision
 
I ask people to post "Yes" if they feel they want Canon to listen
to their customers.
So, when people don't agree with you in a public forum when you use language that suggests you're speaking on their behalf and representing them all - they're not allowed to post a contrary view? If you want Canon to take notice, let them see a healthy discussion of the issues and see both sides, anything less will have no value. You don't represent me, I don't agree with the points you made and I exercise my right to say so if you're asking and expecting Canon to take notice, which I doubt very much they will. I paid full price for the camera and several Canon lenses since, my view is as valid and valued as yours. Which in the scheme of things is probably not very much.
I did not ask people like you and Steven to post fierce reply in
defending Canon.
I'm not defending Canon, I'm defending my decision to buy he camera and my judgement when doing so. I think Steven and I both made some very valid and worthwhile points, perhaps you'd like to address them each in turn rather than turn childishly nasty because we don't happen to agree with you and you have no counter-argument.

Just because everyone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't have a right to make their comments, this is an open forum and you made some pretty inflammatory and generalised comments, please extend Rebel users the courtesy of allowing them to counter-argue your points if they don't agree with you.

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I really don't want to get into argument with you. First you picked on me for vocing my and, heaven forbids, many other people's opinion based on the solid evidence of D70 and 1D MkII specs. And now, you accuse me of showing no curtesy when really it's you who started it?? It's like a chicken and egg question isn't it? Boo?

I agree that it's an open forum and you are entitled to counter-argue but getting ridiculed as a 5 or a 12-year-old means you are taking my extended curtesy too far and as the original poster of this thread, I wish you to extend your curtesy by refraining this kind of personal attacks.

My apology if I misrepresented you but I make no aplogy if I am representing the majority.

You drew so many comparisons (notably the intel) but let me tell you this, how do you feel when, in less-than-6-months, Canon releases 300D replacement with nothing but those crippled features back?

I bought it back then because there was simply no better value for money at that time and I commend Canon for that. But now 70D is out, I feel that Canon can do something in return for its 300D users who took the plunge and making them very profitable indeed. You didn't see me posting a thread like this before detailed 70D specs is out, did you?

110%
 
I don't see how the D70 affects your picture taking or why its release should make your 300D experience less enjoyable. If you need the feature set the D70 offers, sell your 300D and buy the D70 whenever it is out. If you truely lack the features in your 300D you shouldn't have got it in the first place and opted for a camera like the 10D instead. You will be much happier in the long run by selling it now, instead of hoping for a miracle that won't happen. Minimize your loss of time and money because the 300D is what it is. Learn to live with it or move on.
110%
No (I paid a lot from my 10D)

:-)

Marko
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Gowan
 
dropping the price isn't going to kill the P&S market. they are totally different systems and price doesn't dictate for the P&S market which system they will use.

SLR's have always had a low end $200-$300 range in film cameras, but that didn't kill off the same price range P&S / Prosumer cameras in the day.
But how far can it drop the price without killing its P&S market -
which is still, by far, the dominant money-generating machine for
Canon?

And having a price war between two market giant is the last thing
Canon want.

110%
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