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I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)

As many people I too was very interested what the D100's replacement is going to be like.

Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably excellent camera because of all the new features it has.

But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.

I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70 immediately it's available. It's simply great!

If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+ mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
 
I agree with ya Toniko. I'm completely satisfied and even still impressed with the quality of my images from the D100. There's no need for me to get the D70 even though I was excited to see the specs. I don't use flash much either (because I'm really clueless about it) and I love the MB-D100 grip action because of weight distribution with longer lenses and vertical shutters. I agree that if you are upgrading into the DSLR zone- this IS the camera to get if you're not worried about vertical shutters and want the lightweight option.

Regards,

Charles
toniko said:
I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big
investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)
As many people I too was very interested what the D100's
replacement is going to be like.
Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably
excellent camera because of all the new features it has.
But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make
sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the
D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the
D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to
can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.
I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference
in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant
improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70
immediately it's available. It's simply great!
If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more
or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new
camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a
pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+
mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money
for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in
quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done
it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
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100% agree!!!

question though..it D70 really a replacement for the D100 or just another option?

btw:i would never buy anything but a pro body...need the rugginess and the speed...my style of shootin depends on it
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Regards,

Charles
toniko said:
I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big
investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)
As many people I too was very interested what the D100's
replacement is going to be like.
Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably
excellent camera because of all the new features it has.
But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make
sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the
D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the
D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to
can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.
I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference
in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant
improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70
immediately it's available. It's simply great!
If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more
or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new
camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a
pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+
mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money
for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in
quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done
it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
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phat dinh said:
question though..it D70 really a replacement for the D100 or just
another option?
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Yes, until D200 is announced :-)
phat dinh said:
btw:i would never buy anything but a pro body...need the rugginess
and the speed...my style of shootin depends on it
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I myself have F80 and F5 film bodies. I never use F80 when I'm working. You simply can't charge good money when you take pictures with the same camera as your client has :-) That's another reason I won't buy D70 - it's going to be very popular.

regards

Toniko
 
toniko said:
I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big
investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)
As many people I too was very interested what the D100's
replacement is going to be like.
Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably
excellent camera because of all the new features it has.
But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make
sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the
D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the
D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to
can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.
I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference
in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant
improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70
immediately it's available. It's simply great!
If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more
or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new
camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a
pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+
mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money
for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in
quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done
it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
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I just got my D100 (December of last year). I love it. I'm perfectly happy with it's capabilities. The D70 is fantastic, and were I buying a camera in March or April, it would probably be my pick, but since I've already got a D100 and I don't do much flash photography, and I don't remember the last time I needed 1/8000 shutter speed, I'll refine my DSLR skills with my trusty D100 and build up a nice collection of lenses. In 3-4 years, I'll get another body. By then who knows what I'll be able to get for 1 grand.

Dave
 
I also recently got a D100 and because of my shooting style, most of the specs of the D70 wouldn't be much of an advantage to me. Although the RGB matrix metering and more accurate white balance would be nice, the reviews will have to show how much better the D70 really is in these areas.

What I really look forward to is an improved AF system without having to enter the D1/D2 realm.

But there is one thing that I have not seen mentioned about the D70. Can you use custom tone curves? I have been getting some great results with fotogenic's Provia curve. That could be one more reason to keep the D100.

I will be keeping my D100 for a while but i'll be high on the list for the 18-70mm DX lens if it gets favorable reviews.
 
So Nikon will have the advantage for a few months, but does anyone really think that Canon won't offer a "wow!" camera for the same price in the near future? Followed by Nikon doing the same for a time after that?

For me, I am now interested in the d70. I have heard that Nikon lens prices were far higher than Canon's, but I just looked at BH photo and the prices were easily comparable, so Nikon doesn't seem so bad after all (I don't have a DSLR yet).

So how is the focus speed? Will it be better than D100 or same?

Kelton
jeff dekanich said:
jeff dekanich said:
I Have the drebel and i will skip the d70 cause i have no problems with the rebel.
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that's fine, and it makes sense. but do you really have to write a book about it? nobody cares about what you can't afford. people like this need to go take pictures instead of talking about what they don't like about someone else's camera.
toniko said:
I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big
investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)
As many people I too was very interested what the D100's
replacement is going to be like.
Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably
excellent camera because of all the new features it has.
But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make
sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the
D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the
D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to
can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.
I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference
in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant
improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70
immediately it's available. It's simply great!
If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more
or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new
camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a
pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+
mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money
for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in
quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done
it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
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I don't think he directly states why he doesn't like the D70. The man is just stating why he has resisted buying the D70 and that he is happy with his D100- as am I. We do take pictures, it's only that with the release news there's alot of ruckus and talk going around about it. It also helps people who are thinking of transition D100 ---> D70. No offense Arcy, just saying that he makes a viable claim.

Charles
Arcy D said:
toniko said:
I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big
investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)
As many people I too was very interested what the D100's
replacement is going to be like.
Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably
excellent camera because of all the new features it has.
But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make
sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the
D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the
D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to
can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.
I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference
in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant
improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70
immediately it's available. It's simply great!
If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more
or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new
camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a
pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+
mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money
for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in
quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done
it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
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Arcy D said:
that's fine, and it makes sense. but do you really have to write a
book about it? nobody cares about what you can't afford.
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Yoy really missed my point. The message was not my money but my comments on D70 from the position of someone who already has D100.

Please don't write if you're frustrated.

Toniko
 
A tool is a tool, bigger tool = easier. That's all - here more like for WB, X-sync and automatic exposure setting due to the 1005 pixels cell (you know well your F5 (?)).

A monkey with a D100 or D70 or whatever, couldn't take great picture as you do ever if you challenge it with a built-in camera in a phone !!!....what could do the monkey with it (?), when you 'shoot' with the camera, the monkey 'throw' the camera.

Most of the time you couldn't hardly (or not at all) tell with which camera a picture come from (D10, D300, S2 or D100). In my opinion, with very similar camera's outputs, the best results are obtain with a more rigorous and care...post processing!

Beside, the goal is to take the best picture possible. It is like climbing to the top of the mountain. If you have a bicycle, it doesn't mean you can reach the top. You have to do it harder and you will spent more time...than having a bike, that's it.

Not everybody can reach the top of the mountain, you have to learn about a lot of stuff. And you need some good skills.

Taking picture is more to deal with light, with framing, with capturing some atmosphere, some moment or some action (kissing, smilling, birthday, sport...) and much more.

Enjoy your D100, it is a very good tool. A right tool in a very capable hand is like gold. See what men can do with the potery 300 or even 3000 years ago (?)

Have a nice day,

Bach.
 
I just got a D100 a few moths ago. I'm really happy with it and will not be gettting the D70. If I was about to buy a DSLR, it would be no question that the D70 would be it. I am a bit jealous of the RGB metering, but I can live without it for now. My next DSLR body will be one of the big boys...D2x or D3x by the time I can afford one. :-)

Bravo Nikon for releasing another gem!

Angelo
 
toniko said:
I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big
investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)
As many people I too was very interested what the D100's
replacement is going to be like.
Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably
excellent camera because of all the new features it has.
But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make
sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the
D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the
D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to
can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.
I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference
in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant
improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70
immediately it's available. It's simply great!
If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more
or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new
camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a
pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+
mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money
for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in
quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done
it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
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If you dont like what he said, dont read it. Nobody forced you to come here from the Canon300D forum and complain about our posts. You are a guest, and welcome to not look at a post if it bothers you. We dont go to the canon forum to complain about your posts. At least I dont. I go there to see the good photographers post their photos.
Arcy D said:
that's fine, and it makes sense. but do you really have to write a
book about it? nobody cares about what you can't afford. people
like this need to go take pictures instead of talking about what
they don't like about someone else's camera.
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Harris
Cp5700, N6006, D100
Nikon 70-300D ED, Sigma 70-210, Quantaray 28-80, Nikon 50mm f1.8

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
We happy D100 users need to convince ourselves that we still have fine cameras. First the D2h and now the D70. Oy!

"I love that cable release socket!"
Arcy D said:
toniko said:
I have the D100 since May '03. In my country it was a big
investment, not like an engineers' wife's new toy in the USA ;-)
As many people I too was very interested what the D100's
replacement is going to be like.
Now that we know the D70 I can say that it's an unbelievably
excellent camera because of all the new features it has.
But I'm not going to buy it. Why? First of all it doesn't make
sense financially to buy every generation of cameras. Second the
D70 in fact is going to deliver the same picture quality as the
D100 for my type of photography. I don't use flash that much to
can't live without the 1/500 flash synch.
I use my camera commercially. Nobody is going to see any difference
in picture quality between the two since both are 6mp and giant
improvement in dynamic range or color are not to be expected.

If you're in the market for a new DLSR - you're lucky! Buy the D70
immediately it's available. It's simply great!
If you have the D100 already - it's great too :-)! You've had more
or less the same picture quality for the last two/one/half a year!
(if you bought the drebel - it's your problem ;-)))

This announcement calmed my nerves. I don't have to buy a new
camera this yearto remain competitive in the market (yes, D100 is a
pro camera in my country). But when Nikon releases a DSLR with 9+
mp and the F100 'engine' and AF l'll immediately start saving money
for it.

The moral? Buy new cameras only when considerable increase in
quality can be detected. Or if your competitors have already done
it ;-)

Regards

Toniko
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Chris101 said:
We happy D100 users need to convince ourselves that we still have
fine cameras. First the D2h and now the D70. Oy!
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It's not like that, really. I think I wrote it clearly that I can see the difference between the two cameras and it's big featurwise but not if you mean image quality.

I don't have to convince myself my camera is good. If it was too slow, unreliable, had poor battery life, was defective, etc I would want the D70 but since it's performance is already at a high level I have no need to invest money to get 5% picture quality or features I only might need once in a blue moon.

Toniko
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what are you talking about?

just because i posted in the canon 300d forum doesn't mean i'm some sort of member of it. I don't even own a 300d. I will be buying a D70. I currently shoot with an analog nikon slr and if anything I'm more a member of the nikon forum.

also, you contradicted yourself which seems to happen a lot. if you "go there to see good photographers post their photos" and not to see people complaining about new hardware, then that's a reasonable desire for this forum as well. (gotcha)

explaining why one isn't going to upgrade is fine, and you're right no one forced me to read it, but no one forced anyone to post it either. If anyone is a troll, it is he for posting it, and you for defending it.

and lastly, if you really are so insecure that you have to tell everyone why you don't want to buy something, maybe it should be kept to oneself. backdoctor you seem to do this a lot. so how's it feel now that the CP8700 is coming out? it will probably fix the host of problems that plagued the 5700. does that make you mad? why don't you post about it? or better yet, don't.
Backdoctor said:
Arcy D said:
that's fine, and it makes sense. but do you really have to write a
book about it? nobody cares about what you can't afford. people
like this need to go take pictures instead of talking about what
they don't like about someone else's camera.
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Harris
Cp5700, N6006, D100
Nikon 70-300D ED, Sigma 70-210, Quantaray 28-80, Nikon 50mm f1.8

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
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I completely agree that the D100 is still an excellent camera.

all i'm saying is, i've owned all kinds of digital stuff in my lilfe and when new stuff comes out i don't go looking for reasons not to upgrade or looking for some lame sort of moral support in forums, much less trolling against people who are considering upgrading.

i just use stuff until it doesn't work anymore or i need to upgrade and that's enough for me.

on a kinder note, i do agree with what you said, i just grow tired of seeing these types of posts every time a new piece of hardware comes out.
toniko said:
Chris101 said:
We happy D100 users need to convince ourselves that we still have
fine cameras. First the D2h and now the D70. Oy!
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It's not like that, really. I think I wrote it clearly that I can
see the difference between the two cameras and it's big featurwise
but not if you mean image quality.
I don't have to convince myself my camera is good. If it was too
slow, unreliable, had poor battery life, was defective, etc I would
want the D70 but since it's performance is already at a high level
I have no need to invest money to get 5% picture quality or
features I only might need once in a blue moon.

Toniko
http://www.zakrzewski.art.pl
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others here see your answer being a bit overboard too. The original poster did nothing trollish, but you attack his post by saying "nobody cares about what you can't afford. people like this need to go take pictures instead of talking about what they don't like about someone else's camera."

If you dont like what he said, dont read it. As for taking you as a Canon troll, well, your post, it's demeanor and attack back at me are consistent with that. I'm not insecure about my purchase. Heck, at least I made one and havent trolled the various forums talking about all the gear I would like, without ever posting a photo. Do you have a camera? Have you taken any photos lately, or worked on your phototgraphy, or do you just talk about equipment? Oh yeah, you do film, and like to bash cameras. Yeah, I remember you now. Had to change your name. Wonder why, wore out your welcome with your real name? Isnt anonymity wonderful, you can be so bold and critical of others.

Go to the other forums and troll around. The Nikon forums are for photography, and since you dont post photos, that is out of your league.

Didnt you get your butt spanked enough last time you trolled around here. You seem to be like the guy who urinates into the wind, keeps getting wet when all he has to do is change direction. So, why dont you do that.

Oh, for those of you that forgot this guy,of just dont know him, here is a classic series of posts from him:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&message=6370881

After a while he goes from amusing to just boring. A one hit wonder.

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Harris
Cp5700, N6006, D100
Nikon 70-300D ED, Sigma 70-210, Quantaray 28-80, Nikon 50mm f1.8

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
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