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I need pictures of the 828 (the CAMERA it is)
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I value your opinion and that you agree with the fact that Sony NEEDS to hear about it and hear about it often.
Again, if no one complains, why would they have to fix it?
Dont' suppose you have any pics that I can use and pics of the 828?
Love your stuff by the way. I believe you have a few pics of a cemetary if my memory serves me right?
George
Again, if no one complains, why would they have to fix it?
Dont' suppose you have any pics that I can use and pics of the 828?
Love your stuff by the way. I believe you have a few pics of a cemetary if my memory serves me right?
George
not if they find a fancy marketing trick to make it a good thing, even on the evolution ladder... they could reduce the sensor mp and add a 10x zoom like other manufacturers did... or make a move like 10D -> 300D and make a dumbed down version of the 828 to fill the gap that the 717 leaves and as a gimmick they could increase the size and resolution of the lcd and the evf...
it's all about marketing tricks and baits for us the mass market
it's all about marketing tricks and baits for us the mass market
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Mike Fitzgerald
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and thinking: "Just about everything else (bar flash exposure compensation) is a big step in the right direction; so why, oh why did they have to cave in to the seductive glitz of the pixel race and go to 8 Mp?"
And a lot of people keep forgetting that Phil himself, along with any other reviewer that counted, was the first to express concerns about the likely compromises from the 8 Mp expansion, and did so right from the moment the camera was first announced. Why are so many people so surprised?
Mike
Agreed; right down the line. It had instant appeal to me as the promise of an E-20 but properly matured. Just another round of wishful thinking... :-(
And a lot of people keep forgetting that Phil himself, along with any other reviewer that counted, was the first to express concerns about the likely compromises from the 8 Mp expansion, and did so right from the moment the camera was first announced. Why are so many people so surprised?
Mike
Mike Fitzgerald
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an ex-work colleague, whom I hadn't spoken with for years, phoned me out of the blue yesterday. He's a long term discerning SLR user and is still biding his time while digitals mature. He also has more than his share of Sony AV gear, with which he's been generally quite happy.
We got into issues of this sort, and he asked if I was aware that 'Sony' = Japanese for 'arrogance' ;-) (Joking, but not...)
Mike
We got into issues of this sort, and he asked if I was aware that 'Sony' = Japanese for 'arrogance' ;-) (Joking, but not...)
Mike
you could continue with this good idea of a site that compile the complaints with some example of pictures, because it can only do something for all of us anyway 
and you could also buy a 828 for the features and comfort, send an email to complain personally to sony too, and use a polarizer filter, and shoot in 5mp with sharpness set to -1
and i think you will be very happy you'll get to enjoy the things you like about the 828 with acceptable pf (707 level in 75% of shots), and still do something to maybe get a fix or at least for the next generation camera
what do you think ? i sense you want to fall to the dark side with us
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and you could also buy a 828 for the features and comfort, send an email to complain personally to sony too, and use a polarizer filter, and shoot in 5mp with sharpness set to -1
and i think you will be very happy
you'll get to enjoy the things you like about the 828 with acceptable pf (707 level in 75% of shots), and still do something to maybe get a fix or at least for the next generation camera what do you think ? i sense you want to fall to the dark side with us
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Harry Behret
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Georgi,
Sorry , my experience with the 828 was only for about an hour with Andy W's 828. None of my 828 shots had any CA.
Yeah I have some cemetary shots. I live in Glendale, NYC. The only thing of note about Glendale is that they are 4 major cemetaries there. You are pretty much forced into taking cemetary shots.
Harry
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Sorry , my experience with the 828 was only for about an hour with Andy W's 828. None of my 828 shots had any CA.
Yeah I have some cemetary shots. I live in Glendale, NYC. The only thing of note about Glendale is that they are 4 major cemetaries there. You are pretty much forced into taking cemetary shots.
Harry
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'We don't make a photograph just with a camera; we bring to the act of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen, the music we have heard, the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams
to be honest, and as a huge fan of the 828, your 828 shots did display some minor amount of CA
but then again, it did not distract from the essence of the picture anyway .... or die trying ! LOL
sorry that was some french dark humor
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If I want to...YES, but I will NOT buy it until they fix it or replace it and yes, I would like to give them a nudge but again, I dont' have the pics to post on the site.
I need pics and the permission to use them and crop them and so on.
George
I need pics and the permission to use them and crop them and so on.
George
Love your cemetary shots.
I think I've downloaded a couple of them but for my viewing pleasure only. I like to look at good shots from time to time. If that's a problem I'll be happy to delete them.
Again, very nice stuff
George
I think I've downloaded a couple of them but for my viewing pleasure only. I like to look at good shots from time to time. If that's a problem I'll be happy to delete them.
Again, very nice stuff
George
Mike Fitzgerald
Veteran Member
Agreed. Criticism in the purest sense is an important and valuable thing, and even reports of seriously bad performance don't necessarily have to be 'derogatory' as some people would have it.
I'm one of those (cynics if you like) who feels that Sony will continue to resist open admission of the current problem -- perhaps no matter how hard they're pushed. But I think that strong feedback (a) will probably lead to future production being better controlled (I'm convinced that not all F828s are equal), and (b) will almost certainly lead to a significant improvement in the next model.
In that regard, it's a bit like cars: the evolution tends to occur in pairs with the second model -- facelift only -- in a pair generally being a much better proposition. The first release of a major revsion is usually worth avoiding. I'm very rarely an early adopter.
FWIW on Sony's awareness of problems and criticisms, and their potential response to them, I thought Paul Pope's post here was quite illuminating:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=7289912
Mike
There's no doubt in my mind that there are people at Sony just as in any other company that honestly strive to deliver a good product but are hampered by whatever department it may be or whatever person/boss it may be.
We see this all the time but as always common sense NEVER dictates most peoples actions.
George
We see this all the time but as always common sense NEVER dictates most peoples actions.
George
Mike Fitzgerald
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but satisfying to think about: it's pretty well synonymous ;-)
I'd really like to know where the name came from, nonetheless. I recall that several decades ago there was a contention floating around that the whole organisation was based on US pure technology, and maybe initially bankrolled from there as an off-shore investment by one of the petrochemical giants, well before the global economy thing really got rolling. The name was purportedly an acronym for Standard Oil, New York, but given that it's long since faded right out I'm satisfied that was likely just another urban myth.
Mike
I'd really like to know where the name came from, nonetheless. I recall that several decades ago there was a contention floating around that the whole organisation was based on US pure technology, and maybe initially bankrolled from there as an off-shore investment by one of the petrochemical giants, well before the global economy thing really got rolling. The name was purportedly an acronym for Standard Oil, New York, but given that it's long since faded right out I'm satisfied that was likely just another urban myth.
Mike
The consensus is obviously that the 828 is an adequate camera. Those who don't like it are not buying it.
It seems that the tone of your message will be that you are disappointed with Sony for releasing a camera with flaws.
Sony Corporate will trash your letter and ignore your website faster than you can blink.
Right now I haven't discounted any camera, from the 828 to the 300D, to the E-1, and I am also open to any product to be released at PMA.
But regardless of which camera I pick, you can bet I won't come here saying that I won't buy an 828 for reason X or reason Y. Nor will I go to the Canon forum and tell them why I won't buy the 300D, nor will I go to the Minolta forum and tell them why I think the new Maxxum DSLR is a piece of junk.
You gotta be putting me on with this website. If you want to hear from people who hate the 828, visit the 300D forum.
It seems that the tone of your message will be that you are disappointed with Sony for releasing a camera with flaws.
Sony Corporate will trash your letter and ignore your website faster than you can blink.
Right now I haven't discounted any camera, from the 828 to the 300D, to the E-1, and I am also open to any product to be released at PMA.
But regardless of which camera I pick, you can bet I won't come here saying that I won't buy an 828 for reason X or reason Y. Nor will I go to the Canon forum and tell them why I won't buy the 300D, nor will I go to the Minolta forum and tell them why I think the new Maxxum DSLR is a piece of junk.
You gotta be putting me on with this website. If you want to hear from people who hate the 828, visit the 300D forum.
Harry Behret
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Are you sure. I didn't post more than 2-3 828 shots from the day. I had blown them up to 400% in PS w/o finding any CA. I could be wrong here (that has happened a few times).to be honest, and as a huge fan of the 828, your 828 shots did
display some minor amount of CA
distract from the essence of the picture anyway
Harry
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Harry Behret
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Thanks for the kind words. I'm complemented that you downloaded them for your own viewing. No problem for me.
Harry
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Moti
Veteran Member
I think you should have been more specific with your requirements....I still have NO pictures for that site
George
For example, you should have asked for pictures that have at least 50% of the total surface covered with FP, are out of focus and represent a total bad quality.
Also you should have stated that under the sircumstances, good photos can not be accepted.
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