Are ALL portable image tanks unreliable?

Entropy happens. If you were shooting film, eventually you'd
accidentally open the back and fog a roll, you'd have some ruined
during processing, etc. There is no risk-free spot in this universe.

--
BJN
To add to the mix I have used version one of the Nixvue since it came out and have not had a problem or lost an image. I do know that someday it will fail. I decided I wanted to be able to view my images on the device now and purchased a Flashtrax -- big mistake. I do know some like it very well but I had all the problems plus some more.

I just received the P-1000 and it is wonderful. It may fail but right now I am delighted with the screen, resolution and form factor. If it is reliable they will corner this market real fast when they introduce a device with a larger hard drive.

Sandy
 
I used to rely on one backup. I bought a tank, it broke. Got another one, It broke. Bought a Super Digibin, it broke. Sent it back for repair. The new one broke. Only once was it a hard drive failure. These things break. I now have 2 trippers which have been so far completely reliable for six months or whatever. You may say that I am hard on equipment but my cameras and lenses don't fail. I've had the same bulbs in my Tota Lights for 10 years and still use my 18 year old Comet flashes daily on locations shoots. Just get two of something and figure out how to fit it into your workflow.

Best,

Ken
 
Rather than carrying two hard drives you could designate one CF
card as your backup device. Select a few good images from each day
and copy them to the backup card. This is easily done with a
Flashtrax. If the drive later loses everything you'll have
something left.
That idea leaves me a bit cold.

First, I can't tell which images are the 'best' from the LCD. Often my best images don't even show from screen thumbnails, it takes a full screen view to see the real content.

Then I travel for 2-3 months at a time. I bring home thousands of images. One of the real joy of digital is to be able to shoot anything and everything. I hate to think about dumping memories.

If I can only take a single PHD I'd rather stop from time to time and have some backup CDs burned. Then I'll loose only a few week's images in the case of a disaster, not 95%+.

--
bob
Latest offering - 'Dusk on the Buriganga'
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
Shots from a bunch of places (esp. SEA and Nepal).
Pictures for friends, not necessarily my best.

http://www.trekearth.com/members/BobTrips/photos/
My better 'attempts'.
 
you had me wondering what i had missed!
Just checking.

You do understand that the probability of two devices failing in a given period of time is significantly lower than the probability of either failing?

Most likely you know how unlikely it is that you win at Powerball or the California Lottery? (Giving that you purchase tickets.)

Think about how likely it is that you'll win them both in the same week.

--
bob
Latest offering - 'Dusk on the Buriganga'
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
Shots from a bunch of places (esp. SEA and Nepal).
Pictures for friends, not necessarily my best.

http://www.trekearth.com/members/BobTrips/photos/
My better 'attempts'.
 
I used to rely on one backup. I bought a tank, it broke. Got
another one, It broke. Bought a Super Digibin, it broke. Sent it
back for repair. The new one broke. Only once was it a hard drive
failure. These things break. I now have 2 trippers which have been
so far completely reliable for six months or whatever. You may say
that I am hard on equipment but my cameras and lenses don't fail.
I've had the same bulbs in my Tota Lights for 10 years and still
use my 18 year old Comet flashes daily on locations shoots. Just
get two of something and figure out how to fit it into your
workflow.
First, what broke? Hard drive, electronics, any commonalities?

Second, are you a 'daily user'? Sounds as if you are using your PHDs in the field almost every day.
--
bob
Latest offering - 'Dusk on the Buriganga'
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
Shots from a bunch of places (esp. SEA and Nepal).
Pictures for friends, not necessarily my best.

http://www.trekearth.com/members/BobTrips/photos/
My better 'attempts'.
 
Bob,

The first bank just died. The second one the battery connection socket came loose at the circuit board. I rigged a new plug but I just could not trust it with my files. The first digibin would not hold any charge after about a month, the second one the hard drive locked up. It would start to boot up and then shut off making no hard drive noise. I sent it back to Digibin and got an outragous quote to get my data back by a third party because the Digibin folks could not get it to work. It had files on it I needed bad. Told them to send it back. When I got it back I put it in the freezer of the studio ref and left it there for several hours. Took it out, plugged it in and as I hit the start button I knocked it on a table top several times. Guess what.... yup it cranked up. The drive made a lot of noise like a bad motor or bearing but I did get the files.

Ken
I used to rely on one backup. I bought a tank, it broke. Got
another one, It broke. Bought a Super Digibin, it broke. Sent it
back for repair. The new one broke. Only once was it a hard drive
failure. These things break. I now have 2 trippers which have been
so far completely reliable for six months or whatever. You may say
that I am hard on equipment but my cameras and lenses don't fail.
I've had the same bulbs in my Tota Lights for 10 years and still
use my 18 year old Comet flashes daily on locations shoots. Just
get two of something and figure out how to fit it into your
workflow.
First, what broke? Hard drive, electronics, any commonalities?

Second, are you a 'daily user'? Sounds as if you are using your
PHDs in the field almost every day.
--
bob
Latest offering - 'Dusk on the Buriganga'
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
Shots from a bunch of places (esp. SEA and Nepal).
Pictures for friends, not necessarily my best.

http://www.trekearth.com/members/BobTrips/photos/
My better 'attempts'.
--
Ken Krakow
http://www.kenkrakow.com
 
Ken Krakow wrote:
When I got it back I put it in the
freezer of the studio ref and left it there for several hours.
Took it out, plugged it in and as I hit the start button I knocked
it on a table top several times. Guess what.... yup it cranked up.
The drive made a lot of noise like a bad motor or bearing but I did
get the files.
Given your troubleshooting skills, do you think you may have contributed to the origional fault or did you think you had purchased what amounts to black box flight recorder?
 
I ponder what your message means??? It was not trouble shooting skills it was desperation. All this stuff is black box unless you personally designed it. If all else fails tap it with progressively larger hammers. If it does not come back at there is some satisfaction in smashing the damn bugger. k
freezer of the studio ref and left it there for several hours.
Took it out, plugged it in and as I hit the start button I knocked
it on a table top several times. Guess what.... yup it cranked up.
The drive made a lot of noise like a bad motor or bearing but I did
get the files.
Given your troubleshooting skills, do you think you may have
contributed to the origional fault or did you think you had
purchased what amounts to black box flight recorder?
--
Ken Krakow
http://www.kenkrakow.com
 
Sandy:

I am set to receive a flashtrax 40gig tomorrow from B&H. I pondered the Epson but with only 10gig, it's hard to justify $650 with tax. It's possible to by a Dell laptop for nearly the same price. Granted they are two different beasts. I currently have a powerbook so I don't need a laptop, and in fact I've been looking for a simple device to use instead of buying unlimited amounts of memory stick cars. (aren't we all).

Can you briefly oultine why you feel the Epson is better. It's $100 more, for less storage, but a better screen and perhaps form factor.
It would be greatly appreciated.
Scott
Entropy happens. If you were shooting film, eventually you'd
accidentally open the back and fog a roll, you'd have some ruined
during processing, etc. There is no risk-free spot in this universe.

--
BJN
To add to the mix I have used version one of the Nixvue since it
came out and have not had a problem or lost an image. I do know
that someday it will fail. I decided I wanted to be able to view my
images on the device now and purchased a Flashtrax -- big mistake.
I do know some like it very well but I had all the problems plus
some more.

I just received the P-1000 and it is wonderful. It may fail but
right now I am delighted with the screen, resolution and form
factor. If it is reliable they will corner this market real fast
when they introduce a device with a larger hard drive.

Sandy
--
 
....the second one the hard drive
locked up. It would start to boot up and then shut off making no
hard drive noise. I sent it back to Digibin and got an outragous
quote to get my data back by a third party because the Digibin
folks could not get it to work. It had files on it I needed bad.
Told them to send it back. When I got it back I put it in the
freezer of the studio ref and left it there for several hours.
Took it out, plugged it in and as I hit the start button I knocked
it on a table top several times. Guess what.... yup it cranked up.
The drive made a lot of noise like a bad motor or bearing but I did
get the files.
Are saying that the drive was bad? And Digibin was giving you a quote for retrieving data from a bad drive? If so, the going rate for doing this is several thousand dollars, at least. I don't know if you consider this to be "outragous", but this is the what hard drive recovery costs.

This is another reason for "USE TWO! DON'T TRUST YOUR IMAGES TO A SINGLE DEVICE."

FWIW, the Tripper hard drive uses a standard FAT32 format, so if a Tripper dies, you can take the drive out, connect it to an IDE controller and read it directly from Windows.

Wayne Larmon
 

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