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Note: If you're in One-Shot mode, and haven't messed with the CF's (in particular, CF4 is still set to zero), and the lens is set to AF (trying to cover all the bases here), the camera WILL NOT FIRE until the green focus light has been lit.

There is NO WAY (given my stipulations above, and perhaps something I've left out) that the camera will fire before the camera thinks it has focus lock in this mode. NONE!

So, you don't really have to wait to see that green confirmation light.

If the camera fires, it thought the image was in focus. End of discussion.
Tony A. said:
Umm.. Not sure if anyone has said this on this thread yet but this
is the autofocus issue---READ THE MANUAL STUPID!!!! If you did
(reviewers never do) you will learn that the little green light in
the viewfinder will light up to indicate proper focus, However if
it blinks, the camera is still focusing, WAIT till it stays lit up,
THEN snap the photo. I've no idea why so many people can't
understand this simple concept.
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santa said:
I have read enough to know that often one must send in both the . camera and all the lenses
for any calibration. I can reasonably guess that either or both of
my lenses may require calibration. They are old lenses (one is L
glass) I used with my EOS3 ten years ago. So if I send all three
items to Canon for calibration (in the event there is a problem)
then what happens if I get another lens and there is a problem? I
might need to send in ALL the lenses and the camera again? I bring
this up after reading about a fellow that sent a camera in with a
lens that had a problem and when he got it back the OTHER lens did
not focus well. Sheesh. Again.
I realize I'm painting a portrait of a worst case scenario and none
of this will prevent me from getting a 10D
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They are supposed to callibrate the camera and the lenses independently to a set standard. The service tech told me the factory specs on the lenses were too loose for the 10d so even a lens within spec may not focus correctly. According to him callibration brings the lenses and the body closer to the "center point" and not necessarily to each other - and thus no fear for the lenses not working on another body. However, my experience would seem to be contradictory as lenses that worked before callibration of the body no longer worked correctly and vice versa after callibration . . . Anyway, Sarah got an Elan 7e for Christmas but we haven't had time to check out the focus on each lens with that yet - so much more time consuming with film! Will be interesting to see how they do. Cindy

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I bought my 10D in September.

Over the centuries I've had Nikon SLRs, Leica RFs, Contax, Canon, Minolta, Olympus, Hasselblad, Rollei, Graflex, Linhof, Fuji and Mamiya cameras, never mind Minox. When I bought the 10D, I'd been shooting with the Sony F707 and F717 for two years.

The 10D rocks. It's probably the best camera I've owned in that it consistently and easily produces superb photos, time after time. My Hassy 903SWC is very special, but it's not the picture producer the 10D is.

Go for it. You won't regret it.

Godfrey
santa said:
I have a Sony f717 and I will be getting some DSLR soon. Right now
I'm waiting to see if anything new comes up in Feb since I'm not in
a big hurry. If this forum didn't have a new thread almost every
day about how to focus a 10D, what focus problems there are, focus
techniques, focus focus focus I'd probably own a 10D right now...it
has me pretty put-off. My lowly 717 has noise at anything but
100ASA but focus is not an issue, at all. It has a focus assist
light for low level situations and I never even have to think about
focus. I'd bet my out of focus shots are one in a hundred. But the
noise, the noise!
so I want a DSLR and I have an old but decent 100-300 5.6 L glass
(Canon) and an old 28-70 lens so going Canon makes good sense. But
I don't look forward to needing to study how to focus this camera.
I've been involved with photography for almost 30 years so I
understand the need to learn the ins and outs of a new camera but
sheesh, the posts here really point out a poor design in terms of
focus accuracy and quality control.
Most likely I'll get the 10D regardless but it's sure a scary
prospect.
Only a few weeks till PMA so I'll wait just to be sure.
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Don't worry about it. I have a 10D and have not had any focus problems. It it perfect every time? Of course not. No camera is. I alyways manually select my focus points, usually have it on One Shot, and haven't had any problems. With all the buzz about this issue, it's hard to tell how much is truth, how much is false, and how much is just plain hysteria. All I can say that mine focuses just fine (although I certainly wouldn't mind 1D-level autofocus performance!).

By the way, the 100-300/5.6L is a great optic. Mechanically, it's a bit outdated, but optically it is considered to be extremely sharp. And if your 28-70 is the Canon 28-70/2.8L lens, that's another great lens.
santa said:
I have a Sony f717 and I will be getting some DSLR soon. Right now
I'm waiting to see if anything new comes up in Feb since I'm not in
a big hurry. If this forum didn't have a new thread almost every
day about how to focus a 10D, what focus problems there are, focus
techniques, focus focus focus I'd probably own a 10D right now...it
has me pretty put-off. My lowly 717 has noise at anything but
100ASA but focus is not an issue, at all. It has a focus assist
light for low level situations and I never even have to think about
focus. I'd bet my out of focus shots are one in a hundred. But the
noise, the noise!
so I want a DSLR and I have an old but decent 100-300 5.6 L glass
(Canon) and an old 28-70 lens so going Canon makes good sense. But
I don't look forward to needing to study how to focus this camera.
I've been involved with photography for almost 30 years so I
understand the need to learn the ins and outs of a new camera but
sheesh, the posts here really point out a poor design in terms of
focus accuracy and quality control.
Most likely I'll get the 10D regardless but it's sure a scary
prospect.
Only a few weeks till PMA so I'll wait just to be sure.
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Pearl, don't mislead others, OK!

I for the one hesitate for some time and bought one after I knew one of my friends got a good one, but I'd no luck and bought the 1 from 1000 (? who knows) which has AF flaw, that's why I know the issue well.

For you, I just wonder if you are qualify to comment on me if you only own 10D with no AF issue.

I always said among my friends, some get good 10D, some not, and some even won't care if theires have issue or not, since if you are not critical the AF issue is not an issue. That's why the argument here is often controversial here and seems no clear answe. We all know that AF is not perfect, for every brand, but if 10D is really no such issue, the report will stop very soon.

I also wonder why you are here so often, if your s are fine,then, that's OK, go out and shoot. I for one had investigate a lot into the problem and done thorough test not only upon the 10D, what you've done and contribute here other than label others? You even said I know David, what's going in your mind? I welcome all rational discussions but I don't mind waste time to discuss with you. Here I'm on Chinese New Year holiday so I've spare time in the following week.
Pearl Rider said:
FrancisCF said:
Yes, just get one.
If you don't own it, how can you prove it?
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I don't know about that. Not owning one doesn't seem to stop you
and David from TRYING. ;)
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This is a pic from my 10D with firmware 2.01. It is handheld with a Canon USM IS lens 24~135mm @ approx 50mm setting and max aperture of ƒ4.5 1/125 sec shutter and 400ISO.

It has been levelled to clean the colour, resized slightly but nothing else, the file contains the exif for any info you my need.

This is a throwaway test shot, the shot was oblique to see get an idea of the DOF and the focus accuracy is pretty good for me. Remember though that this is a close up and may not reflect the characteristics of the same lens in say shooting a brick way at 30FT.

I’d certainly recommend Canon lenses, I sold off my Sigma as my combo was not good enough for me.

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Santa,

I was also very hesitant about buying the Canon 10D with all of the talk regarding the focus issues, but in August last year I took the plunge and bought one and haven't regreted it for a second. It has enabled me to get shots that I could never have managed with my EOS 5 due to the flexibility of the ISO range.

Yes I have had shots which have been out of focus but none that I could not attribute to camera shake or working with a very shallow DOF. I have been able to get shots so sharp with my EF28-105 F3.5-4.5 Mk1 lens that they have printed out to 20' x 30' poster size and still stand up to close inspection. It may be that I have an exceptional copy of this mid priced lens and I will certainly be holding onto it.

I do not doubt for a second that there are bad 10D's out there, when the factory is churning out 30,000 a month it is inevitable, but they will be in the minority. I have recommended that some of my friends buy this camera and they also have not regreted it.

Having said all this I would wait until after PMA to see if there are any enhancements to the 10D without any fear that the price will go up.

If & when you do buy a 10D be careful on this forum as I have caught L disease here causing major trauma to my bank account.
 
Well, well, well,!! so it wasn't me being paranoid about the slagging off of 10D's then.

I approached this subject a few days ago asking why people hated it or had a problem with it and got quite a few positive replys. I bought one, or at least my boss did for me, and all i can say is go get one, play with it, enjoy it and then make your own assesment. I think you'll be pleasently surprised.

Regards
Paul
santa said:
Most likely I'll get the 10D regardless but it's sure a scary
prospect.
Only a few weeks till PMA so I'll wait just to be sure.
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FrancisCF said:
Pearl, don't mislead others, OK!
I for the one hesitate for some time and bought one after I knew
one of my friends got a good one, but I'd no luck and bought the 1
from 1000 (? who knows) which has AF flaw, that's why I know the
issue well.
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You had the camera for a few days. That's not really giving the camera a chance to prove itself.
FrancisCF said:
For you, I just wonder if you are qualify to comment on me if you
only own 10D with no AF issue.
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I didn't just pick up a camera yesterday, Francis. At least I can relate to someone who has the camera. All you can do is repeat hearsay.
FrancisCF said:
I always said among my friends, some get good 10D, some not, and
some even won't care if theires have issue or not, since if you are
not critical the AF issue is not an issue. That's why the argument
here is often controversial here and seems no clear answe. We all
know that AF is not perfect, for every brand, but if 10D is really
no such issue, the report will stop very soon.
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The issue will never die down as long as there are people here to keep stoking the fires.
FrancisCF said:
I also wonder why you are here so often, if your s are fine,then,
that's OK, go out and shoot. I for one had investigate a lot into
the problem and done thorough test not only upon the 10D, what
you've done and contribute here other than label others? You even
said I know David, what's going in your mind? I welcome all
rational discussions but I don't mind waste time to discuss with
you. Here I'm on Chinese New Year holiday so I've spare time in the
following week.
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I have been shooting and so has my wife. We're still enjoying our 10Ds very much. I said that you know David? That's a new one and just another silly accusation by you.
 
DavidP said:
I've used one. And I've used enough other Canon SLR's and
experience AF problems that I know the symptoms all too well.
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Is there an AF system out there that's perfect? Didn't think so.
DavidP #28649 said:
And the hoops one has to go through to get it fixed.
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And you can read about the very same kinds of problems with OTHER brand cameras. Since you know that and stick with Canon anyway, you're just here to gripe. Seems like some people get their stuff fixed more quickly than you. Guess maybe they know the right hoops and don't need your "help". ;)
 
Pearl Rider said:
FrancisCF said:
Pearl, don't mislead others, OK!
I for the one hesitate for some time and bought one after I knew
one of my friends got a good one, but I'd no luck and bought the 1
from 1000 (? who knows) which has AF flaw, that's why I know the
issue well.
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You had the camera for a few days. That's not really giving the
camera a chance to prove itself.
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How long do you think a test need to take?

Also I went to Canon and discussed the matter with them with the test photos, they suggested me to return it since it's within 7 days of return policy of the shop.
Pearl Rider said:
Pearl Rider said:
For you, I just wonder if you are qualify to comment on me if you
only own 10D with no AF issue.
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I didn't just pick up a camera yesterday, Francis. At least I can
relate to someone who has the camera. All you can do is repeat
hearsay.
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I'm not hearsay, if you want I've so many past posts from local forum reporting the issue.
Pearl Rider said:
Pearl Rider said:
I always said among my friends, some get good 10D, some not, and
some even won't care if theires have issue or not, since if you are
not critical the AF issue is not an issue. That's why the argument
here is often controversial here and seems no clear answe. We all
know that AF is not perfect, for every brand, but if 10D is really
no such issue, the report will stop very soon.
Click to expand...
The issue will never die down as long as there are people here to
keep stoking the fires.
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It's not me keeping the fire goes on, you may even think those posters are the same guy with different login name, I just answer occasionally.
Pearl Rider said:
Pearl Rider said:
I also wonder why you are here so often, if your s are fine,then,
that's OK, go out and shoot. I for one had investigate a lot into
the problem and done thorough test not only upon the 10D, what
you've done and contribute here other than label others? You even
said I know David, what's going in your mind? I welcome all
rational discussions but I don't mind waste time to discuss with
you. Here I'm on Chinese New Year holiday so I've spare time in the
following week.
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I have been shooting and so has my wife. We're still enjoying our
10Ds very much. I said that you know David? That's a new one and
just another silly accusation by you.
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You just forgot what you said? No wonder, it's a long time ago, and this is not your first time. I forgive you.

Finally, that's enough between I and you, I won't answer your reply in this thread further in order to save the bandwidth here and save my time as well as other readers.

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DaveC8 said:
Yes I have had shots which have been out of focus but none that I
could not attribute to camera shake or working with a very shallow
DOF.
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Camera shake doesn't cause out-of-focus shots.

A very shallow DOF is PRECISELY what it takes to determine if you have a focus problem. If you have a large DOF, you're less likely to NOTICE any problems with focus.

Arrrrrgh!

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FrancisCF said:
FrancisCF said:
You had the camera for a few days. That's not really giving the
camera a chance to prove itself.
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How long do you think a test need to take?
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If you just bought the camera just to test it, then you gave it as much time as YOU needed to make a case against it. If you'd bought the camera to USE, then you would've tried to figure out what the problem was and/or tried another.
FrancisCF said:
Also I went to Canon and discussed the matter with them with the
test photos, they suggested me to return it since it's within 7
days of return policy of the shop.
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I'm sure that's not ALL they said. I would think they'd have offered to check it out for you or suggest you try another. Your just giving out PART of the story... the same tactic used by your partner.
FrancisCF said:
FrancisCF said:
FrancisCF said:
For you, I just wonder if you are qualify to comment on me if you
only own 10D with no AF issue.
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I didn't just pick up a camera yesterday, Francis. At least I can
relate to someone who has the camera. All you can do is repeat
hearsay.
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I'm not hearsay, if you want I've so many past posts from local
forum reporting the issue.
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I'm sure you do. Like your partner, you seem to have quick access to negative info.
FrancisCF said:
FrancisCF said:
FrancisCF said:
I always said among my friends, some get good 10D, some not, and
some even won't care if theires have issue or not, since if you are
not critical the AF issue is not an issue. That's why the argument
here is often controversial here and seems no clear answe. We all
know that AF is not perfect, for every brand, but if 10D is really
no such issue, the report will stop very soon.
Click to expand...
The issue will never die down as long as there are people here to
keep stoking the fires.
Click to expand...
It's not me keeping the fire goes on, you may even think those
posters are the same guy with different login name, I just answer
occasionally.
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You show up in almost EVERY "10D focus issue" thread so how can you say that you're not keeping the fires going. I notice that whenever someone complains about a problem with the Nikons, you're usually there to prop it or defend the camera and suggest user error. Here, it's the other way around.
FrancisCF said:
FrancisCF said:
FrancisCF said:
I also wonder why you are here so often, if your s are fine,then,
that's OK, go out and shoot. I for one had investigate a lot into
the problem and done thorough test not only upon the 10D, what
you've done and contribute here other than label others? You even
said I know David, what's going in your mind? I welcome all
rational discussions but I don't mind waste time to discuss with
you. Here I'm on Chinese New Year holiday so I've spare time in the
following week.
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I have been shooting and so has my wife. We're still enjoying our
10Ds very much. I said that you know David? That's a new one and
just another silly accusation by you.
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You just forgot what you said? No wonder, it's a long time ago, and
this is not your first time. I forgive you.
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Ahhhhh... that's so nice of you to "forgive" me for something I likely didn't even say and you just misinterpreted it.
 
The focus subroutine still initiates at the half-press point. Shutter release takes place once the full press of the button is complete. So, since FULL is necessarily preceeded by HALF, you must press the shutter button half way in order to achieve focus lock.

You may not have the ability as a human being to perceive focus lock took place at the half way point, but the camera does. And that's why they tell you the neat little trick of doing a half press, if necessary, before continuing on at a later point to the full press.
DavidP said:
Once the focus locks (if it locks, I should say), the shutter will
fire.
steaktaco said:
you have to press the shutter half way to focus. it's in the
instruction manual. (^ ^)
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Does the acronym LOL really have the power you and your friend think it does? Does anyone here find your arguments here amusing even with the addition of LOL? I don't see anything to LOL about anywhere in your constant bickering. The two of you should just find a messaging program and get all of your fighting out of the way one-on-one instead of littering this forum with it. Fight elsewhere, and if you must have these banal arguments here, fight about something that is mildly interesting.
DavidP said:
Now THIS is something I just GOTTA hear. LOL
Pearl Rider said:
At any rate, with all the bad-mouthing you've lobbed at Canon,
OTHERS have also suggested you might find true happiness with
another brand not necessarily Nikon.
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Do you ever take pictures?

The shallow DOF you're talking about is about 1/16th of an inch, and you'll be out of focus with that DOF simply because humans are not as solid as a rock...unless we're talking about tripod shooting. And also, have you ever checked to see if any film camera in the history of the world has been perfectly in focus with that kind of DOF? I doubt there is one, and even if there was it would truly be unnecessary because nobody in the age of film looked at every single picture they took at the poster size that we all have the luxury of viewing...even then, they had ways of sharpening their huge prints. You want complete and utter perfection, and yet you don't realize that the engineering that goes into perfection is something you can't afford.

The only thing you prove by your constant whining is that you are someone with nothing better to do. If you have a camera that works, leave everyone alone. There is a search feature on this forum so that anyone who cares about your opinion will easily find it plastered all over the place.
DavidP said:
DavidP #28649 said:
Yes I have had shots which have been out of focus but none that I
could not attribute to camera shake or working with a very shallow
DOF.
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Camera shake doesn't cause out-of-focus shots.

A very shallow DOF is PRECISELY what it takes to determine if you
have a focus problem. If you have a large DOF, you're less likely
to NOTICE any problems with focus.

Arrrrrgh!

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Your link to independent music!
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Melanie Kipp said:
Maybe this is why I don't think I have a focus issue. I half
press, often more than once.
Bam! Sharp photos!
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Same here. I've always done that instinctively to try insure the sharpest image I can get. It never occurred to me that not everyone did this. I've never totally trusted auto-focus systems more than I trust my eye.
 
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