Evil Eggplant
Veteran Member
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I have been brand-loyal to sony for years. My large screen TV, my DVD, my 500 watt home theatre amplifier are all Sony. My alarm clock is a sony. i own a 707 that I truly love.
I was on the fence for a while trying to decide between the 300d and 828. I really wanted the 828 to be a winner.
Sadly, of all the sony products I personally own, and all the professional sony broadcast and profssional AV equipment I have used over the years, I can truthfully say that this is the most problematic device sony has ever released to production (IMO).
Sony took what could have been a stellar 5mp camera, added a 8mp sensor, and ended up with a camera that is just barely "recommended" All because a bunch of low-lifes sitting around a beautiful, polished table decided that this was the best way to sell more cameras.
Over the years the structure of large corporations have changed. The "bean counters" are at the controls now, along with the marketing bottom feeders.
It used to be that on a corporate level, marketing and sales would answer to mgt, along with R&D, production and service. Not any more. Now, marketing and sales still answers to managment, but now R&D, production, customer service and the service dept frequently answer to Marketing.
Bad. Very bad. People driven by the desire to do quality work now answer to people driven by comission. Very bad
Ford
GM
Marantz
Harmon-Kardon
Blaupunkt
GE
JBL
Crown
Altec-Lansing
The list goes on. All these companies used to make a high quality product. They have since sold out. They will claim they did this to survive in todays marketplace. Sony did not engage in these practices, until now.
PLease excuse me for being philosophical, evidently the consumer would rather have "cheap" than "quality", and manufacturers no longer rely on the quality of their product to maintain their market-share. It would seem it is more cost effective for them to resort to "aggressive marketing"
you know, the 8mp thing.., and to develop creative work-arounds to design flaws (ISO 64 to remedy a noisy ISO 100) as opposed to finding a quality solution.
Sony knew they had a problem long before the first 828 was ever glued and taped together by their R&D dept. That didn't stop them, they forged ahead anyway. .
Lets not forget either that sony intended on selling this little gem for 1200 bucks. They dropped that in a hurry, didn't they.
NOt that my 300d, my PC. my cell phone, my laptop are made any better, but they do perform as advertised. None have any real problems, but they are all made cheap..
So yes, this upsets me just a bit, more so because I have believed in sony quality for years, and backed up those feelings with $$$ . My last sony purchase will probably be my 707, which I paid $1000 for and have never had a regret.
rich
'beware the eggplant'
c-7oo, d-51O, DSC-F7O7, 3OOD
'it's not having what you want, it's wanting what you got'
http://www.pbase.com/iceninevt
I have been brand-loyal to sony for years. My large screen TV, my DVD, my 500 watt home theatre amplifier are all Sony. My alarm clock is a sony. i own a 707 that I truly love.
I was on the fence for a while trying to decide between the 300d and 828. I really wanted the 828 to be a winner.
Sadly, of all the sony products I personally own, and all the professional sony broadcast and profssional AV equipment I have used over the years, I can truthfully say that this is the most problematic device sony has ever released to production (IMO).
Sony took what could have been a stellar 5mp camera, added a 8mp sensor, and ended up with a camera that is just barely "recommended" All because a bunch of low-lifes sitting around a beautiful, polished table decided that this was the best way to sell more cameras.
Over the years the structure of large corporations have changed. The "bean counters" are at the controls now, along with the marketing bottom feeders.
It used to be that on a corporate level, marketing and sales would answer to mgt, along with R&D, production and service. Not any more. Now, marketing and sales still answers to managment, but now R&D, production, customer service and the service dept frequently answer to Marketing.
Bad. Very bad. People driven by the desire to do quality work now answer to people driven by comission. Very bad
Ford
GM
Marantz
Harmon-Kardon
Blaupunkt
GE
JBL
Crown
Altec-Lansing
The list goes on. All these companies used to make a high quality product. They have since sold out. They will claim they did this to survive in todays marketplace. Sony did not engage in these practices, until now.
PLease excuse me for being philosophical, evidently the consumer would rather have "cheap" than "quality", and manufacturers no longer rely on the quality of their product to maintain their market-share. It would seem it is more cost effective for them to resort to "aggressive marketing"
you know, the 8mp thing.., and to develop creative work-arounds to design flaws (ISO 64 to remedy a noisy ISO 100) as opposed to finding a quality solution.
Sony knew they had a problem long before the first 828 was ever glued and taped together by their R&D dept. That didn't stop them, they forged ahead anyway. .
Lets not forget either that sony intended on selling this little gem for 1200 bucks. They dropped that in a hurry, didn't they.
NOt that my 300d, my PC. my cell phone, my laptop are made any better, but they do perform as advertised. None have any real problems, but they are all made cheap..
So yes, this upsets me just a bit, more so because I have believed in sony quality for years, and backed up those feelings with $$$ . My last sony purchase will probably be my 707, which I paid $1000 for and have never had a regret.
--A fixed-85mm equivelent lens is hardly appealing to most people noPhil "just barely" gave the 828 a "recommended". His test data
confirmed every comment and observation made in a recent thread by
Kubicide and others, including myself.
I wonder if Phil is going to get dragged over the coals like
everyone else who dared to speak of the apparent flaws of the 828.
Personally, I could barely tell the difference in resolution
between the 828 and the 300d with kit lens. I think the 300d with a
60 dollar f/1.8 prime would rival the 828 in resolution, and
possibly beat it.
matter how fast or sharp it is. Canon knows this and it is why they
didn't bundle it with the DR kit.
(almost) Same photosite as all recent 1/1.8 sensor digicam...whyLets not forget this comment found in Phils conclusion:
"Very small photosite compromising image quality (marketing over
quality)?"
wasn't this brought up before.
But when people (including myself) said the 8mP may be more of a
marketing tool than something truly useful I was accused of
spawning conspiracy theories, and attributing bad motives to those
wonderful people at Sony.
It looks like the emporers really is undressed after all.
--
rich
'beware the eggplant'
c-7oo, d-51O, DSC-F7O7, 3OOD
'it's not having what you want, it's wanting what you got'
http://www.pbase.com/iceninevt
rich
'beware the eggplant'
c-7oo, d-51O, DSC-F7O7, 3OOD
'it's not having what you want, it's wanting what you got'
http://www.pbase.com/iceninevt