Minolta DSLR "Big Surprise" !!

Dennis · Jan 9, 2004

Bernie Ess said:
Chasseur d'images tells Minolta will come out with 2 (!!) new FILM
bodies and regrets - further down the page - that this makes more
and more evident the absence of a DSLR body, Minolta keeping on
telling that one should patiently wait for photokina in autumn 2003
and introduction being probably delayed until 2005.

I'll go with Kepplers rumors instead - he sounds less like he's speculating ... besides, what do the French know ? They're assuming it takes so long to develop a new product by the time employees take their long vacations, their long lunches, their cafe au lait breaks, go on strike a couple times ...

Dennis

Biu · Jan 9, 2004

"Sensational" is a good word describing something like the Maxxum 7. Looks like we have high hope for this DSLR. Personally I don't think Minolta will introduce anything less than a Digital Maxxum 7. They alway introduce new cameras good enough to re-define the market standard.
Biu

José B said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=7215219

Keppler's got the inside track.

The dream of a Digital 7 w/AS is still very much alive and kicking!
5 weeks to go before the moment of truth.

José
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wwilson · Jan 9, 2004

Bernie Ess said:
This seems like a bad comedy to me to come out with 2 film based
SLRs in 2004 - as if the world needed a new traditional SLR.
The link:

Well, according the Konica-Minolta annual report, the world has broken
down into 2 markets, with one market, exemplified by India and China
showing good growth in film, and the other market, exemplified by
the US and Europe showing a decline.

KM has thus divided their corporate strategy into two parts for each market.
That means that putting out new film systems, especially at attractive price
points, is still part of the their business plan.

KM intends to tackle the other market by driving innovation in the digital

space, rather then on strict price/performance. Although there are limits to how
much people will pay for innovation as we saw with the price drop on the
A1.

Mark K · Jan 9, 2004

Minolta has already released three new SLR cameras, Dynax 40 and 60 in Europe and Alpha 70 in China

What if Minolta eventually released a DSLR with features less exiting as we expected inlcuding
1. heavy body weight
2. CCD with 6 MP pixel having a lot of noises
3. large crop factor 1.6x or above
4. absece of AS features
5. Sky high price around 2K
.....
Would you guys buy it?

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toughluck · Jan 9, 2004

Bernie Ess said:
Chasseur d'images tells Minolta will come out with 2 (!!) new FILM
bodies and regrets - further down the page - that this makes more
and more evident the absence of a DSLR body, Minolta keeping on
telling that one should patiently wait for photokina in autumn 2003
and introduction being probably delayed until 2005.

This seems like a bad comedy to me to come out with 2 film based
SLRs in 2004 - as if the world needed a new traditional SLR.
The link:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=949

Bernie

Dennis pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Anyway, Keppler says that Minolta is going to introduce a Dynax dSLR, with presentation on PMA 2004, and production by Photokina 2004. This means it won't be delayed until 2005.

As for Chasseur's report - true, there is Dynax 60 and 40, and these are the ones to be introduced on PMA (unless Minolta decides to do something different for the American market).

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toughluck · Jan 9, 2004

Mark K said:
Minolta has already released three new SLR cameras, Dynax 40 and 60
in Europe and Alpha 70 in China
What if Minolta eventually released a DSLR with features less
exiting as we expected inlcuding
1. heavy body weight

YAY!!! Finally, the major con of Dynax 7 body would be overcome!!!

Mark K said:
2. CCD with 6 MP pixel having a lot of noises

The thing is, there are no 6 megapixel sensors with a lot of noise.

Mark K said:
3. large crop factor 1.6x or above

Canon has a sensor with 1.6x crop factor, Foveon with 1.7x+ (I say somewhere around 1.78x)

The true APS sensor (width = 24 mm) that is "commonly" available is Sony's *istD and D100 chip.

Mark K said:
4. absece of AS features

Unlikely, as Pentax is planning to introduce their own on-body AS features, and they don't have a digital body large enough to incorporate AS - their compacts don't reach A1's or 828's level. Only their dSLRs are large enough to build AS in.

Mark K said:
5. Sky high price around 2K

VERY unlikely. Dynax 7 body is priced near F80. The sensor they are going to use is the one that is present in D100 (digital F80), so the price of Minolta dSLR will be somewhere around *istD and D100.

Mark K said:
.....
Would you guys buy it?

There would be zounds Even if not us, there will be others that want a Minolta dSLR - face it, it's going to be in short supply for quite some time, so it will be sold on a 'first come, first serve' basis.

Mark K said:
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Biu · Jan 9, 2004

If you know Minolta like us, you won't even worry a bit as below.
Biu

Mark K said:
Minolta has already released three new SLR cameras, Dynax 40 and 60
in Europe and Alpha 70 in China
What if Minolta eventually released a DSLR with features less
exiting as we expected inlcuding
1. heavy body weight
2. CCD with 6 MP pixel having a lot of noises
3. large crop factor 1.6x or above
4. absece of AS features
5. Sky high price around 2K
.....
Would you guys buy it?

--
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http://www.pbase.com/mark_k

José B · Jan 9, 2004

Mark,

I think your list below cumulatively is unrealistic. The only thing I would be concerned with the future DSLR w/AS (assuming there will be one of course) is the relationship between AS, heat and noise. This is the main reason I pay attention to most of the A1 posts about this issue.

I'm willing to spend more money for a feature-rich (like AS) Minolta DSLR particularly if it will let me handhold my 300/4 @ ISO 800 with little noise.

José

Biu said:
Mark K said:

Minolta has already released three new SLR cameras, Dynax 40 and 60
in Europe and Alpha 70 in China
What if Minolta eventually released a DSLR with features less
exiting as we expected inlcuding
1. heavy body weight
2. CCD with 6 MP pixel having a lot of noises
3. large crop factor 1.6x or above
4. absece of AS features
5. Sky high price around 2K
.....
Would you guys buy it?

--
Mark K
http://www.pbase.com/mark_k

Click to expand...

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zamboni · Jan 9, 2004

José B said:
José B said:

I'm willing to spend more money for a feature-rich (like AS)

Click to expand...

Minolta DSLR particularly if it will let me handhold my 300/4 @ ISO
800 with little noise.

José

José

I'm with you. It is worth the wait and the money for that combo. Just imagine handholding the 400/4.5. Wow!

Jim

Desmond Lim · Jan 9, 2004

blurblock from another forum (clubsnap.com) recieved acknowledgement from KM about the rumor of first prototype DSLR in PMA. Read here!

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?p=508658#post508658

Goodie!

toughluck said:
Bernie Ess said:

Chasseur d'images tells Minolta will come out with 2 (!!) new FILM
bodies and regrets - further down the page - that this makes more
and more evident the absence of a DSLR body, Minolta keeping on
telling that one should patiently wait for photokina in autumn 2003
and introduction being probably delayed until 2005.

This seems like a bad comedy to me to come out with 2 film based
SLRs in 2004 - as if the world needed a new traditional SLR.
The link:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=949

Bernie

Click to expand...

Dennis pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Anyway, Keppler says that Minolta is going to introduce a Dynax
dSLR, with presentation on PMA 2004, and production by Photokina
2004. This means it won't be delayed until 2005.

As for Chasseur's report - true, there is Dynax 60 and 40, and
these are the ones to be introduced on PMA (unless Minolta decides
to do something different for the American market).

--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles

Desmond Lim · Jan 9, 2004

Mark K said:
Minolta has already released three new SLR cameras, Dynax 40 and 60
in Europe and Alpha 70 in China
What if Minolta eventually released a DSLR with features less
exiting as we expected inlcuding
1. heavy body weight
2. CCD with 6 MP pixel having a lot of noises
3. large crop factor 1.6x or above
4. absece of AS features
5. Sky high price around 2K
.....
Would you guys buy it?

--
Mark K
http://www.pbase.com/mark_k

José B · Jan 9, 2004

Thanks Des, apparently from the letter they have changed their rhetoric. I know KM (at least in Canada) monitors this forum.

José

Desmond Lim said:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?p=508658#post508658

Goodie!

toughluck said:

Bernie Ess said:

Chasseur d'images tells Minolta will come out with 2 (!!) new FILM
bodies and regrets - further down the page - that this makes more
and more evident the absence of a DSLR body, Minolta keeping on
telling that one should patiently wait for photokina in autumn 2003
and introduction being probably delayed until 2005.

This seems like a bad comedy to me to come out with 2 film based
SLRs in 2004 - as if the world needed a new traditional SLR.
The link:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=949

Bernie

Click to expand...

Dennis pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Anyway, Keppler says that Minolta is going to introduce a Dynax
dSLR, with presentation on PMA 2004, and production by Photokina
2004. This means it won't be delayed until 2005.

As for Chasseur's report - true, there is Dynax 60 and 40, and
these are the ones to be introduced on PMA (unless Minolta decides
to do something different for the American market).

--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles

Click to expand...

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Craig Gillette · Jan 9, 2004

José B said:
José

Desmond Lim said:

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?p=508658#post508658

Goodie!

toughluck said:

Bernie Ess said:

Chasseur d'images tells Minolta will come out with 2 (!!) new FILM
bodies and regrets - further down the page - that this makes more
and more evident the absence of a DSLR body, Minolta keeping on
telling that one should patiently wait for photokina in autumn 2003
and introduction being probably delayed until 2005.

This seems like a bad comedy to me to come out with 2 film based
SLRs in 2004 - as if the world needed a new traditional SLR.
The link:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=949

Bernie

Click to expand...

Dennis pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Anyway, Keppler says that Minolta is going to introduce a Dynax
dSLR, with presentation on PMA 2004, and production by Photokina
2004. This means it won't be delayed until 2005.

As for Chasseur's report - true, there is Dynax 60 and 40, and
these are the ones to be introduced on PMA (unless Minolta decides
to do something different for the American market).

--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

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Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

Uh, any idea who or where that came from? It was posted with no identifying information on the source.

Mark K · Jan 10, 2004

Biu said:
If you know Minolta like us, you won't even worry a bit as below.
Biu

Biu and my Minolta fellows:
Getting more and more exited and worried of course as the date approaches.
....

Biu said:
Mark K said:

Minolta has already released three new SLR cameras, Dynax 40 and 60
in Europe and Alpha 70 in China
What if Minolta eventually released a DSLR with features less
exiting as we expected inlcuding
1. heavy body weight
2. CCD with 6 MP pixel having a lot of noises
3. large crop factor 1.6x or above
4. absece of AS features
5. Sky high price around 2K
.....
Would you guys buy it?

--
Mark K
http://www.pbase.com/mark_k

Click to expand...

--
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http://www.pbase.com/mark_k

Desmond Lim · Jan 10, 2004

At most we get 'just another' DSLR like the rest from KM.
Although its very unlikely also, it can't be worst than that

.

Mark K said:
Biu said:

If you know Minolta like us, you won't even worry a bit as below.
Biu

Click to expand...

Biu and my Minolta fellows:
Getting more and more exited and worried of course as the date
approaches.
....

Mark K said:

Mark K said:

Minolta has already released three new SLR cameras, Dynax 40 and 60
in Europe and Alpha 70 in China
What if Minolta eventually released a DSLR with features less
exiting as we expected inlcuding
1. heavy body weight
2. CCD with 6 MP pixel having a lot of noises
3. large crop factor 1.6x or above
4. absece of AS features
5. Sky high price around 2K
.....
Would you guys buy it?

--
Mark K
http://www.pbase.com/mark_k

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
Mark K
http://www.pbase.com/mark_k

Desmond Lim · Jan 10, 2004

Hi,

I've checked with the author (blurblock, thank you!), the email was written and replied by KM Singapore.

BTW is the coming PMA show in US or Germany? It was mentioned in the mail that PMA will be held in Germany.. hmm

Cheers!
Des

Craig Gillette said:
José B said:

José

Desmond Lim said:

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?p=508658#post508658

Goodie!

toughluck said:

Bernie Ess said:

Chasseur d'images tells Minolta will come out with 2 (!!) new FILM
bodies and regrets - further down the page - that this makes more
and more evident the absence of a DSLR body, Minolta keeping on
telling that one should patiently wait for photokina in autumn 2003
and introduction being probably delayed until 2005.

This seems like a bad comedy to me to come out with 2 film based
SLRs in 2004 - as if the world needed a new traditional SLR.
The link:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=949

Bernie

Click to expand...

Dennis pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Anyway, Keppler says that Minolta is going to introduce a Dynax
dSLR, with presentation on PMA 2004, and production by Photokina
2004. This means it won't be delayed until 2005.

As for Chasseur's report - true, there is Dynax 60 and 40, and
these are the ones to be introduced on PMA (unless Minolta decides
to do something different for the American market).

--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

Click to expand...

Uh, any idea who or where that came from? It was posted with no
identifying information on the source.

Dat Ei · Jan 10, 2004

Hey Desmanond,

Desmond Lim said:
BTW is the coming PMA show in US or Germany? It was mentioned in
the mail that PMA will be held in Germany.. hmm

since we don´t have a PMA over here in Germany it must be the PMA in the USA. In Germany we have to big fairs where KM could show new products: first of all the Cebit (18th to 24th of March) and the second one is the Photokina (29th of Sep to 3rd of Oct). Believing to all rumours I´ve herad and read it´s more likely that KM will show the prototype of the D-SLR at the PMA.

Regards
Dat Ei
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Bernie Ess · Jan 10, 2004

The Email says: "PMA 2004 Show in Germany" - Germany is not the PMA in February (which is about 4 weeks away) but the Photokina in September. o.k. they will show a prototype (= plastic dummy) in September 2004 and ship that thing in July 2005 or 2006. It will have then a "hot 6MP fully digital sensor" (the then almost antique D100 chip) with a dazzling 2,5fps and a hot introduction price of lets say 1.900 USD".
Very exciting indeed!

Sorry for the cynism but Minolta apparently has agreed to be put in the last place of the row. Doesn't matter. Maybe in China they might sell some film bodies.

Bernie

lcmacedo · Jan 10, 2004

Anybody knows when/where is the PMA in the US?
Lucas

Kirwin · Jan 10, 2004

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