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I cant belive wich stories they think about. If Minolta brings out a focalreducer why do they produce the new 300mm and 80-200mm SSM Objectiv today.

Its like you would put a expensive 300mm Objektiv on a camera wich contains a negativ 0,5 converter. So you could use a 150mm Objektiv and forget about the Focalreducer and get the same or better result.

Why do you think there will be a Mirror ? a Minolta D-SLR could be made much cheaper and smaler without a Mirror.
 
Picturetaker said:
I cant belive wich stories they think about. If Minolta brings out
a focalreducer why do they produce the new 300mm and 80-200mm SSM
Objectiv today.
Its like you would put a expensive 300mm Objektiv on a camera wich
contains a negativ 0,5 converter. So you could use a 150mm Objektiv
and forget about the Focalreducer and get the same or better result.
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Because with a focal reducer you would get exactly the same FOV as a 300 mm and 70-210 mm lenses (les objectifs, die Objektive) have on film cameras, but will also get much higher resolution, speed (brightness) and less abberations than 450 mm equivalent. That isn't going to happen, of course, but I would use an external wide converter always - because of two reasons: I shoot within 28-210 mm focal lengths, a longer lens is less than useful (for me); and such a wide converter, permanently attached (despite being a detacheable accessory), would mean no dust getting on sensor.
Picturetaker203515 said:
Why do you think there will be a Mirror ? a Minolta D-SLR could be
made much cheaper and smaler without a Mirror.
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Because of flange distance of the lens's exit pupil to focal plane. The flange distance (also called backfocus, or depth of focus) causes the SLR body depth (as opposed to rangefinders that utilise retrofocus lenses, for example, as well as digital and film compacts, which also have retrofocus lenses). Oh, retrofocus wide lenses without telecentric, or near-telecentric optics mean that light falloff at the edges due to acute angle of incidence causes them to become unuseable.

All in all, it was either a poor attempt at a troll, or an ignorant reply being a result of not having read through the conversation we had here for 5 days - too lazy to do that? If you were to read the conversation, you would find that we have covered all the topics you mention.

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lcmacedo said:
I hope you're right, but I've got a feeling that Minolta will come
up with a "under $1000.00" camera to compete with the Rebel 300D
and Nikon d70. There's where major DSLR's sales are. A more Pro
camera ( Maxxum 7 based, or ... ) may only be available sometime
after.

Lucas
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No, I don't think so. I think they must cater to needs of professionals first. I can bet, though, that the next camera will be based on the new Dynax 60 the way the EOS 300D is based on EOS 300, and *istD is based on *ist. That will mean increasing (yet again) shutter speed to 1/4000th sec., and perhaps re-adding eye start (the latter is the main reason I'm not going to switch, the former is icing on the cake that I would miss too much), adding rear dial (and moving the front one into the handle - please?), perhaps not even removing programs.

We shall see what the Dynax 80 will bring. I can guess crossing the features of Dynax 7 with Dynax 9, perhaps not increasing body build quality to 9 level, but...
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--- A warning to all technophiles
 
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toughluck said:
No, I don't think so. I think they must cater to needs of
professionals first. I can bet, though, that the next camera will
be based on the new Dynax 60 the way the EOS 300D is based on EOS
300, and *istD is based on *ist. That will mean increasing (yet
again) shutter speed to 1/4000th sec., and perhaps re-adding eye
start (the latter is the main reason I'm not going to switch, the
former is icing on the cake that I would miss too much), adding
rear dial (and moving the front one into the handle - please?),
perhaps not even removing programs.

We shall see what the Dynax 80 will bring. I can guess crossing the
features of Dynax 7 with Dynax 9, perhaps not increasing body build
quality to 9 level, but...
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Apparently from the latest (February) issue of PopPhoto, Herbert Keppler who wrote about Minolta's plans to introduce new film SLRs and the upcoming DSLR, that the latter is feature-filled. So we could still be on track for a digital 7 w/AS. Having said that, I might consider a digital Dynax 60 (same specs, just add a sensor to it) @ US $ 750-800.

José
toughluck said:
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years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles
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toughluck wrote
toughluck said:
Because of flange distance of the lens's exit pupil to focal plane.
The flange distance (also called backfocus, or depth of focus)
causes the SLR body depth (as opposed to rangefinders that utilise
retrofocus lenses, for example, as well as digital and film
compacts, which also have retrofocus lenses). Oh, retrofocus wide
lenses without telecentric, or near-telecentric optics mean that
light falloff at the edges due to acute angle of incidence causes
them to become unuseable.
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Whoops! You have got that a bit mixed up there, toughluck.

It is actually lenses of retrofocus design which have the LARGE stand-off from the image plane that is useful, even essential, to the even light distribution that digital demands.

For instance, 28mm lenses with a 50mm flange distance, are retrofocus.

"Real" 28mm lenses end up fouling the mirror because they are NOT retrofocus in design, and have to go right inside the camera chamber to pull focus.

Once upon a time the only wide angle lenses available for SLRs actually did do that.

To fit them one had to first lift the mirror, and lock it up. Viewfinding was then done with an auxiliary viewfinder mounted in the accessory shoe, and focussing was done by the scale on the lens.

Hope this is a little clearer now,

Regards,
Baz
 
With no AS, and much lower spec than 7.. you sure? :p
José B said:
José B said:
No, I don't think so. I think they must cater to needs of
professionals first. I can bet, though, that the next camera will
be based on the new Dynax 60 the way the EOS 300D is based on EOS
300, and *istD is based on *ist. That will mean increasing (yet
again) shutter speed to 1/4000th sec., and perhaps re-adding eye
start (the latter is the main reason I'm not going to switch, the
former is icing on the cake that I would miss too much), adding
rear dial (and moving the front one into the handle - please?),
perhaps not even removing programs.

We shall see what the Dynax 80 will bring. I can guess crossing the
features of Dynax 7 with Dynax 9, perhaps not increasing body build
quality to 9 level, but...
Click to expand...
Apparently from the latest (February) issue of PopPhoto, Herbert
Keppler who wrote about Minolta's plans to introduce new film SLRs
and the upcoming DSLR, that the latter is feature-filled. So we
could still be on track for a digital 7 w/AS. Having said that, I
might consider a digital Dynax 60 (same specs, just add a sensor to
it) @ US $ 750-800.

José
José B said:
--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles
Click to expand...
--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

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Hi Des,

You know how I am salivating for a digital 7 w/AS but if Minolta will come out with a 'plain Jane' D-D60 with a vertical grip and provided a continuing rise in the CDN$, I might go for it.

Having said the above, I can't wait to read the Feb. issue of Pop Photo. Tim Broadley brought it to my attention that apparently H. Keppler (who first broke out the news about the new Minolta SLRs and to hang on to our Maxxum lenses) said that the upcoming DSLR is feature-rich. If this is the case, the first salvo can't be a digital Dynax 60.

José
Desmond Lim said:
José B said:
Desmond Lim said:
No, I don't think so. I think they must cater to needs of
professionals first. I can bet, though, that the next camera will
be based on the new Dynax 60 the way the EOS 300D is based on EOS
300, and *istD is based on *ist. That will mean increasing (yet
again) shutter speed to 1/4000th sec., and perhaps re-adding eye
start (the latter is the main reason I'm not going to switch, the
former is icing on the cake that I would miss too much), adding
rear dial (and moving the front one into the handle - please?),
perhaps not even removing programs.

We shall see what the Dynax 80 will bring. I can guess crossing the
features of Dynax 7 with Dynax 9, perhaps not increasing body build
quality to 9 level, but...
Click to expand...
Apparently from the latest (February) issue of PopPhoto, Herbert
Keppler who wrote about Minolta's plans to introduce new film SLRs
and the upcoming DSLR, that the latter is feature-filled. So we
could still be on track for a digital 7 w/AS. Having said that, I
might consider a digital Dynax 60 (same specs, just add a sensor to
it) @ US $ 750-800.

José
Desmond Lim said:
--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles
Click to expand...
--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

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Hi José,

"You know how I am salivating for a digital 7 w/AS"

The entire MTF knows.. haaa..

I thought you what to go for a 60D, and give up on 7D.

I think the 60 is just warming up for 60D to compete with D70 and 300D, Dynax 5 might be too small to fit the circuitary for dSLR :).

I really hope the rumor about Feb is for real this time, afterall no official news from KM yet.

Cheers for 7D!
Des
José B said:
You know how I am salivating for a digital 7 w/AS but if Minolta
will come out with a 'plain Jane' D-D60 with a vertical grip and
provided a continuing rise in the CDN$, I might go for it.

Having said the above, I can't wait to read the Feb. issue of Pop
Photo. Tim Broadley brought it to my attention that apparently H.
Keppler (who first broke out the news about the new Minolta SLRs
and to hang on to our Maxxum lenses) said that the upcoming DSLR is
feature-rich. If this is the case, the first salvo can't be a
digital Dynax 60.

José
Desmond Lim said:
José B said:
José B said:
No, I don't think so. I think they must cater to needs of
professionals first. I can bet, though, that the next camera will
be based on the new Dynax 60 the way the EOS 300D is based on EOS
300, and *istD is based on *ist. That will mean increasing (yet
again) shutter speed to 1/4000th sec., and perhaps re-adding eye
start (the latter is the main reason I'm not going to switch, the
former is icing on the cake that I would miss too much), adding
rear dial (and moving the front one into the handle - please?),
perhaps not even removing programs.

We shall see what the Dynax 80 will bring. I can guess crossing the
features of Dynax 7 with Dynax 9, perhaps not increasing body build
quality to 9 level, but...
Click to expand...
Apparently from the latest (February) issue of PopPhoto, Herbert
Keppler who wrote about Minolta's plans to introduce new film SLRs
and the upcoming DSLR, that the latter is feature-filled. So we
could still be on track for a digital 7 w/AS. Having said that, I
might consider a digital Dynax 60 (same specs, just add a sensor to
it) @ US $ 750-800.

José
José B said:
--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles
Click to expand...
--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

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Click to expand...
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Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

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José B said:
Hi Des,

You know how I am salivating for a digital 7 w/AS but if Minolta
will come out with a 'plain Jane' D-D60 with a vertical grip and
provided a continuing rise in the CDN$, I might go for it.

Having said the above, I can't wait to read the Feb. issue of Pop
Photo. Tim Broadley brought it to my attention that apparently H.
Keppler (who first broke out the news about the new Minolta SLRs
and to hang on to our Maxxum lenses) said that the upcoming DSLR is
feature-rich. If this is the case, the first salvo can't be a
digital Dynax 60.
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Was Dynax 5 not feature-rich? Heck, isn't it still? ;-)
José B said:
José
Desmond Lim said:
José B said:
José B said:
No, I don't think so. I think they must cater to needs of
professionals first. I can bet, though, that the next camera will
be based on the new Dynax 60 the way the EOS 300D is based on EOS
300, and *istD is based on *ist. That will mean increasing (yet
again) shutter speed to 1/4000th sec., and perhaps re-adding eye
start (the latter is the main reason I'm not going to switch, the
former is icing on the cake that I would miss too much), adding
rear dial (and moving the front one into the handle - please?),
perhaps not even removing programs.

We shall see what the Dynax 80 will bring. I can guess crossing the
features of Dynax 7 with Dynax 9, perhaps not increasing body build
quality to 9 level, but...
Click to expand...
Apparently from the latest (February) issue of PopPhoto, Herbert
Keppler who wrote about Minolta's plans to introduce new film SLRs
and the upcoming DSLR, that the latter is feature-filled. So we
could still be on track for a digital 7 w/AS. Having said that, I
might consider a digital Dynax 60 (same specs, just add a sensor to
it) @ US $ 750-800.

José
José B said:
--
'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10
years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker,
predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles
Click to expand...
--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

Click to expand...
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'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10 years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker, predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles
 
Check my previousl posts, you'll know that I knew that... ;-)

Anyway - you're completely right about retrofocus vs. non-retrofocus lenses. It must have been pretty late (or pretty early) when I was writing it...
Barrie Davis said:
Barrie Davis said:
Because of flange distance of the lens's exit pupil to focal plane.
The flange distance (also called backfocus, or depth of focus)
causes the SLR body depth (as opposed to rangefinders that utilise
retrofocus lenses, for example, as well as digital and film
compacts, which also have retrofocus lenses). Oh, retrofocus wide
lenses without telecentric, or near-telecentric optics mean that
light falloff at the edges due to acute angle of incidence causes
them to become unuseable.
Click to expand...
Whoops! You have got that a bit mixed up there, toughluck.

It is actually lenses of retrofocus design which have the LARGE
stand-off from the image plane that is useful, even essential, to
the even light distribution that digital demands.

For instance, 28mm lenses with a 50mm flange distance, are retrofocus.

"Real" 28mm lenses end up fouling the mirror because they are NOT
retrofocus in design, and have to go right inside the camera
chamber to pull focus.

Once upon a time the only wide angle lenses available for SLRs
actually did do that.

To fit them one had to first lift the mirror, and lock it up.
Viewfinding was then done with an auxiliary viewfinder mounted in
the accessory shoe, and focussing was done by the scale on the lens.

Hope this is a little clearer now,

Regards,
Baz
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'Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably be ready within 10 years,' Alex Lewyt, of the Lewyt Corporation, a vacuum maker, predicted in The New York Times on June 10, 1955.
--- A warning to all technophiles
 
Could the suprise feature of the new Minolta DSLR be the price?

With the recent anouncement of the Dynax 40 and 60 - looking like entry level SLR's that Minolta have been working on does it not shout that the DSLR that they will bring out first is a sub £1000 one.

Just a thought.

Andreas G
 
Hi Toughluck

How right you are! I sell more Maxxum 5's than any other model of SLR. Why ? It has lots and lots of features for the money: Spot Metering, Depth of Field Preview, TTL wireless flash, etc...... . If KM makes a Digital Maxxum 5 for, say $600 US, I'm getting one, even if it DOES'NT have AS.
Roy
toughluck said:
toughluck wrote:
Was Dynax 5 not feature-rich? Heck, isn't it still? ;-)
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Desmond Lim said:
Hi José,

"You know how I am salivating for a digital 7 w/AS"

The entire MTF knows.. haaa..
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Hee hee .. not to mention 4000+ members of the Minolta group on Yahoo :) Jose's consistently been the most optimistic Maxxum DSLR fan there, too !
  • Dennis
 
I have an E2 it does have the focal reducer. The reducer does not increase resolution, but since it concentrates the light of a 35mm frame down to a smaller size the ISO goes way up to 800 and 1600 on the E2. There are no lower ISO. It is an interesting early camera based on F4 chassis made in small numbers with a $20,000 original price tag. I sort of doubt anyone will use a reducer again, it is a very expensive optical unit to make well apparently. It also means another set of lenses for the light to pass through.
Samuel A. Anderson said:
Sam
Mark K said:
Samuel A. Anderson said:
Sam
lcmacedo said:
Steve Perz posted this comment on the News Discussion Forum :

"Minolta will be the first to put a focal reducer in the camera
body. With the focal reducer all lenses will have the same FOV as
on film. Of course you don't get something for nothing, since focal
length has been reduced and lens diameter remains the same the
f/stop is reduced and the camera body is thinner. Since the image
that covered the full 35mm format has been shrunk to fit the
smaller CCD sensor, resolution is increased by the same factor. The
focal reducer needs to be placed behind the lens and in front of
the mirror; it will keep dust from getting to the sensor. Wow, I
can hardly wait."

I don't know where he got that information, maybe just speculation,
but I thought it would be interesting to hear the comments of this
forum on it!!

Lucas
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Sam Anderson
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Chasseur d'images tells Minolta will come out with 2 (!!) new FILM bodies and regrets - further down the page - that this makes more and more evident the absence of a DSLR body, Minolta keeping on telling that one should patiently wait for photokina in autumn 2003 and introduction being probably delayed until 2005.

This seems like a bad comedy to me to come out with 2 film based SLRs in 2004 - as if the world needed a new traditional SLR.
The link:

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=949

Bernie
 
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