Minolta DSLR "Big Surprise" !!

Well all I know is that whatever Minolta comes out with, I will wait a few months so I don't over pay for it like the A1 and my Maxxum 7.. I paid $859 at B&H when it came out, now it sells for $499,,

You don't see Canon's camera's dropping like this.. For example the A70 is still being sold for $299 everywhere, same as a year ago.

Craig.
 
Memory is foggy but as I recall the Nikon E2 DSLR had similar technology that eliminated the FOV magnification.

Sam
Steve Perz posted this comment on the News Discussion Forum :

"Minolta will be the first to put a focal reducer in the camera
body. With the focal reducer all lenses will have the same FOV as
on film. Of course you don't get something for nothing, since focal
length has been reduced and lens diameter remains the same the
f/stop is reduced and the camera body is thinner. Since the image
that covered the full 35mm format has been shrunk to fit the
smaller CCD sensor, resolution is increased by the same factor. The
focal reducer needs to be placed behind the lens and in front of
the mirror; it will keep dust from getting to the sensor. Wow, I
can hardly wait."

I don't know where he got that information, maybe just speculation,
but I thought it would be interesting to hear the comments of this
forum on it!!

Lucas
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Sam Anderson
 
Nikon E2???
I have never heard of this model. Is this a new one?
Sam
Steve Perz posted this comment on the News Discussion Forum :

"Minolta will be the first to put a focal reducer in the camera
body. With the focal reducer all lenses will have the same FOV as
on film. Of course you don't get something for nothing, since focal
length has been reduced and lens diameter remains the same the
f/stop is reduced and the camera body is thinner. Since the image
that covered the full 35mm format has been shrunk to fit the
smaller CCD sensor, resolution is increased by the same factor. The
focal reducer needs to be placed behind the lens and in front of
the mirror; it will keep dust from getting to the sensor. Wow, I
can hardly wait."

I don't know where he got that information, maybe just speculation,
but I thought it would be interesting to hear the comments of this
forum on it!!

Lucas
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Sam Anderson
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Mark K
http://www.pbase.com/mark_k
 
This patent looks like for something other than a DSLR. It looks like a technology for next generation Maxxum lenses they are going to introduce. From this drawing, we could tell that Konica-Minolta is planning to introduce a new type of lens that will fit a SLR/DSLR and also a new type of digital body : "interchangeable lens range finder body". It must be Konica's idea. We probably will see this type of digital body after Minolta introduced the DSLR next year together with the new generation of Maxxum lenses. Looks like they alreadyt have a big plan for the next few years.
Biu
Steve Perz posted this comment on the News Discussion Forum :

"Minolta will be the first to put a focal reducer in the camera
body. With the focal reducer all lenses will have the same FOV as
on film. Of course you don't get something for nothing, since focal
length has been reduced and lens diameter remains the same the
f/stop is reduced and the camera body is thinner. Since the image
that covered the full 35mm format has been shrunk to fit the
smaller CCD sensor, resolution is increased by the same factor. The
focal reducer needs to be placed behind the lens and in front of
the mirror; it will keep dust from getting to the sensor. Wow, I
can hardly wait."

I don't know where he got that information, maybe just speculation,
but I thought it would be interesting to hear the comments of this
forum on it!!

Lucas
check this tah i posted earlier.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=6929800

Doesn't the drawing in this patewnt describe exactly that?
The drawings describe inbody lenses.

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Cheers
Erland
 
Magnus;

The issue with IS is mass not size as some one else was indicating. Minolta uses piezo motors(as I understand it) to move the array in x/y plane. How much more more mass is an APS size sensor over a 2/3 and how much more force does the piezo's have to generate and can they minatain the same frequency rate (approximately 2-20 Hz) ince can assume it is roughly the same rates the canon must hanlde and what studies referenced elsewhere indicate the the typical shake frequency is. Obviously the greater the mass the more inertial moments that must be overcome and compensated for

Cheers
Tim

That being said: I do not expect to see A/S in the initial offering. I would think that Minolta would want towait a little to see if there are any aging effects on the A/S mechanism that cause in a reduction in the frequency compensation
Canon's compensating motion is rotational, not horizontal/vertical
as Minolta's system. Canon thus needs lesser motor movement and
much lesser force (if the element is balanced correctly) to acheive
the same amount of compensation.
When rereading this I see that it was very bad wording.

Canon sees camera shake as a rotational movement. They use a moving
lens element to "bend" (or counter-rotate, seen from the side) the
light coming through the lens. For this, they need pretty small
movements; even a minute adjustment will have a large effect on the
film/sensor. Minolta sees the shake as an up/down motion and uses a
counter-moving sensor instead, which works perfectly fine for a
small chip but is harder to implement with a larger chip. Both
approaches have their advantages and disadvantages.

Canon also uses (mostly in their camcorders, I believe) another
solution with two parallell glass plates with a high-refractive
liquid between. By varying the space between the plates at
different parts of the edge, correction can be applied by bending
the light as of above; this is an interesting system that Minolta
have researched (and patented!) extensively. In the Minolta
version, stacked shape memory alloy is used to vary the distance
between the plates in a fast and precise way. The advantage, as I
understand it, of such a system is that it can be easily
incorporated inside a camera -- especially one with EVF.
 
That being said: I do not expect to see A/S in the initial
offering. I would think that Minolta would want towait a little to
see if there are any aging effects on the A/S mechanism that cause
in a reduction in the frequency compensation
If they do elect to wait, then I will officially stop waiting for them. I'm holding off on purchasing some lenses for my Canon gear just in case Minolta actually follows through... but if there's no AS, then I'm sticking with Canon.

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JCDoss
 
That being said: I do not expect to see A/S in the initial
offering. I would think that Minolta would want towait a little to
see if there are any aging effects on the A/S mechanism that cause
in a reduction in the frequency compensation
If they do elect to wait, then I will officially stop waiting for
them. I'm holding off on purchasing some lenses for my Canon gear
just in case Minolta actually follows through... but if there's no
AS, then I'm sticking with Canon.

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JCDoss

Reluctantly I have to admit I desparately want IS/AS for wild life dreaming
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Mark K
http://www.pbase.com/mark_k
 
Well all I know is that whatever Minolta comes out with, I will
wait a few months so I don't over pay for it like the A1 and my
Maxxum 7.. I paid $859 at B&H when it came out, now it sells for
$499,,

You don't see Canon's camera's dropping like this.. For example the
A70 is still being sold for $299 everywhere, same as a year ago.

Craig.
I believe Minolta's initial price is usually high. After a while it drops to the market range, as defined by the competition.

Lucas
 
Well all I know is that whatever Minolta comes out with, I will
wait a few months so I don't over pay for it like the A1 and my
Maxxum 7.. I paid $859 at B&H when it came out, now it sells for
$499,,

You don't see Canon's camera's dropping like this.. For example the
A70 is still being sold for $299 everywhere, same as a year ago.

Craig.
I believe Minolta's initial price is usually high. After a while it
drops to the market range, as defined by the competition.

Lucas
True, but if Minolta did indeed release a Dynax 7-based digital SLR with on-body AS, and Canon made a digital EOS 3 with a 6 megapixel sensor, you would see Minolta would price their dSLR higher than Canon, and only eventually would their price drop to that EOS 3D level. They are comparable cameras by any standard, and given the offset caused by no need to buy IS lenses, you would essentially get a much cheaper camera.

If Canon does release that EOS 3D, one should (reasonably) expect that that Minolta dSLR + the 70-210/2.8 APO G D SSM (quite a mouthful) will be priced at the level of EOS 3D + (Canon) 70-210/2.8 L APO IS USM. You would get the same specs (even better with Minolta glass), and much better capabilities. Of course, Minolta would price their camera at a lower price than EOS 3D if the Canon camera has 1.3x crop factor.
Just my 2 pennies...

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If you can imagine the content of this "big surprise", that is not a big surpise at all. So, in my opinion, this Big Bum (if this is a Big Bum indeed) can not be the AS within the body, built in focus reducer and CCD protector lens, foveon chip, etc.

It must be someting really new development. (E.g. Minolta had the first AF in their camera system.) The features above are not new issues. Even more, the three CCD based RGB color reproduction is an "old" technology as well.

New, new and new. That's a quiz or a real brain storming...
Well, what are your bets now...?
Steve Perz posted this comment on the News Discussion Forum :

"Minolta will be the first to put a focal reducer in the camera
body. With the focal reducer all lenses will have the same FOV as
on film. Of course you don't get something for nothing, since focal
length has been reduced and lens diameter remains the same the
f/stop is reduced and the camera body is thinner. Since the image
that covered the full 35mm format has been shrunk to fit the
smaller CCD sensor, resolution is increased by the same factor. The
focal reducer needs to be placed behind the lens and in front of
the mirror; it will keep dust from getting to the sensor. Wow, I
can hardly wait."

I don't know where he got that information, maybe just speculation,
but I thought it would be interesting to hear the comments of this
forum on it!!

Lucas
 
From this drawing, we could tell that Konica-Minolta
is planning to introduce a new type of lens that will fit a
SLR/DSLR and also a new type of digital body : "interchangeable
lens range finder body".
It must be Konica's idea.
The patent is filed in -98 so presumably not Konica.

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Cheers
Erland
 
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Tim
That being said: I do not expect to see A/S in the initial
offering. I would think that Minolta would want towait a little to
see if there are any aging effects on the A/S mechanism that cause
in a reduction in the frequency compensation
You could be right, Tim. The Mind might be delaying the DSLR w/AS for the Photokina 2004 Show in November.

Regards,

José

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Maybe an interchangeable lens camera wich accepts Maxxum lenses but
with a high resolution ( 500K pixels ? ) EVF, APS size CCD and AS !!

Lucas
Something like that.
I mean, how many of you out there using the A1 would like to get
a SLR viewfinder instead of a tiltable EVF and a tiltable LCD display?

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Cheers
Erland
 
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=7043299

http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?article_id=766&section_id=5&page_number=5

It is just a matter of delivery date and what added-value feature KM (the Minolta way) has in store for us. Anyway, the moment of truth is a few weeks away.

Regards,

José
Maybe an interchangeable lens camera wich accepts Maxxum lenses but
with a high resolution ( 500K pixels ? ) EVF, APS size CCD and AS !!

Lucas
Something like that.
I mean, how many of you out there using the A1 would like to get
a SLR viewfinder instead of a tiltable EVF and a tiltable LCD display?

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Cheers
Erland
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http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

 
Maybe an interchangeable lens camera wich accepts Maxxum lenses but
with a high resolution ( 500K pixels ? ) EVF, APS size CCD and AS !!

Lucas
Something like that.
I mean, how many of you out there using the A1 would like to get
a SLR viewfinder instead of a tiltable EVF and a tiltable LCD display?

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Cheers
Erland
Right!! A good example is the new Leica Digilux 2, which has an EVF and large LCD, although not interchangeable lenses!

With a fast refresh rate high resolution EVF ( 500k Pixels ) you could compose AND focus manually if desired.

Lucas

Lucas
 
A digital rangefinder with interchangeable lenses and some intelligent incorporation of EVF or LCD preview (like a large screen, flip/swivel LCD design that Canon uses with the G-series) would be pretty slick. Of course, you'd have to use a new, unproven line of lenses, but with no mirror in the way, those lenses would be significantly reduced in size.

That said, all I really care about is in-camera AS. If that's not there, I'm staying with Canon!

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JCDoss
 
Nothing fancy, but if Minolta will come out with a Maxxum 7-based DSLR, how about being the world's fastest in AF-tracking (using Maxxum 50/1.4) amongst DSLRs?

José
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