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All problems I've had have been user-related and I'm working on those and they "were" all problems that have been attributed to the camera = funny how the more I learn, the better the camera and pictures are getting.

Tracey

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JimSaa said:
Camera works great, it's my brain that is normaly at fault!
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I agree, Jim (and to Phil Knott's comments as well).

Coming from an Nikon F3 metering system (80% ceter weight) for 20 years, I experienced heavy under exposure in heavy backlit situations, using 1 central focus point. I had to unlearn this. I had to learn to adjust to see the exposure, the way the 300D sees it. Yesterday, I encountered that strong backlight again. I overode the Av recommended readings by 2/3 stops. Took the shot and previewed it on the LCD. It looked too washed out! But when I got home, downloaded it to my desknote, it looked all right. Did some face histogram and it was all right. So, I am slowly getting to know this camera.

If there was anything to get truly peeved with this camera, it is the not-so-accurate LCD display. The histogram does help, but there are so many caveats that I still am experimenting and finding out the exceptions. This is why my HD is so full of images I would normally erase. I need them for reference as I learn the way the 300D works.

More importantly, I keep them, so I know how "I" work. I am now on my 5,200 shots, almost 1 month ownership. I have become better at this, but still have not explored 70% of the camera. It seems the original poster does not want to put the effort to learn about the camera and himself. His problem of using Auto was already apparent on the first few shots. When I got my dRebel, I only took maybe 3 shots on Auto. So with the Sports mode. I have operated mostly on Av, Tv, and Manual modes. I leave the camera in P mode before I shut down, just in case I have to power up to take a fast shot and have no time to fiddle with exposure.

Now, when I get tired or refused to "think" my shots even for a second or 2, I notice I get mediocre shots. Sometimes I get lucky, but overall, they are "lifeless" or meaningless shots.

The 300D and my Nikon F3 is forcing me to use that old noggin' to take better pictures. At the price we paid for this, not to mention lenses and other stuff, I'd hate to see somebody with an ordinary p&s say, "you took pictures with the 300D? Hmmm, it's not that much different from my casio!"

Indeed, the 300D can take good pictures even without thinking too much or considering your shots. But to get the most out of it requires that we learn from it. That "good" shots becomes a "better" shot by simply reflecting on our settings for 2-10 seconds. And if we practice and use our head in each and every shot, getting that "great" shot becomes more commonplace.

Too many times we become lazy and abdicate the picture taking to our equipment. And yet we expect to see fantastic shots we see from some forum posters. We forget that we have as much responsibility, if not greater, for that shot, not the equipment.

You are right, Jim. In such cases, it's our brains that are at fault.

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Niku Toivola said:
Sorry, but if you don't like having to think in order to get a good
shot, then a (D)SLR probably is not the camera for you.
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I disagree completely. Why must a DSLR require more effort to use? Canon marketed this as a point and shoot with advanced abilities. It appears they slacked off on the point and shoot part (except for marketing). Funny thing is, a lot of SLR users are complaining their SLRs have better auto mode. I agree we should at least hold the product to the marketing hype.

There is a new group of people rising to the (d)SLR market. A lot of new consumers justify the purchase of a $1000 camera for reasons of beautiful photographs, not photography. The option of photography is plus.

It seams clear this is a new market demographic which provided sufficient volume for Canon to offer a $1000 camera. To be clear, no point and shoot promise, less volume, no $1000 price point. Hardcore SLR users who are as interested (if not more) in photography as much as photographs will benefit from this new volume and price. To maintain it this market long term, it should get better. Significantly in some cases. Lot of frustrated people who don't want to take 1000 to 2000 pictures and perform a mental test before taking a picture.

I for one have enough trouble with composition :) Besides, for $1000 I want a camera I can hand to my sister or mom and be in the picture myself. The requirement of post camera processing should be optional. Never, ever required. If the PC has to finish processing the picture, the camera didn't do it's job. Maybe they haven't made this camera yet. Sure seems like it was recently marketed.
Niku Toivola said:
Sorry, but if you don't like having to think in order to get a good
shot, then a (D)SLR probably is not the camera for you.

Niku
newshooter said:
Niku Toivola said:
What's great for you might not be so great for someone else, and
vice versa. Use a tool that suits your needs.

Niku
newshooter said:
I am starting to understand what I am holding and It is not
a great or even above average camera.
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I agree completely, well put.
Paul McHale said:
I disagree completely. Why must a DSLR require more effort to use?
Canon marketed this as a point and shoot with advanced abilities.
It appears they slacked off on the point and shoot part (except for
marketing). Funny thing is, a lot of SLR users are complaining
their SLRs have better auto mode. I agree we should at least hold
the product to the marketing hype.

There is a new group of people rising to the (d)SLR market. A lot
of new consumers justify the purchase of a $1000 camera for reasons
of beautiful photographs, not photography. The option of
photography is plus.

It seams clear this is a new market demographic which provided
sufficient volume for Canon to offer a $1000 camera. To be clear,
no point and shoot promise, less volume, no $1000 price point.
Hardcore SLR users who are as interested (if not more) in
photography as much as photographs will benefit from this new
volume and price. To maintain it this market long term, it should
get better. Significantly in some cases. Lot of frustrated people
who don't want to take 1000 to 2000 pictures and perform a mental
test before taking a picture.

I for one have enough trouble with composition :) Besides, for
$1000 I want a camera I can hand to my sister or mom and be in the
picture myself. The requirement of post camera processing should
be optional. Never, ever required. If the PC has to finish
processing the picture, the camera didn't do it's job. Maybe they
haven't made this camera yet. Sure seems like it was recently
marketed.
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There is nothing wrong with the camera. Based on our comments, you should have maybe never have gotten a 300D as it seems you don't even do any post processing of photos. I find the Elements SW does plenty to save any shots YOU (NOT THE CAMERA) messed up.

If I messed up a shot, it was NOT due to the camera. It was due to my inability to have the correct settings for the shot.

Goes back to TRASH IN TRASH OUT.
montana said:
i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.
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I agree with your thoughts. Worth more than .02 cents.
star target said:
I think the two cameras (G, 300D) are priced accordingly. A G5
works out of the box for a low price.....a properly set up 300D
will cost twice its street price once you've acquired the
additional gear (lenses, 550EX, etc) that brings out its best
results. It's not a camera designed for casual use.

The 'fault' many perceive is with expectations, not the equipment.
My $.02.
montana said:
i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.
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Amazing, did canon give you your camera. This many people can not be totaly wrong about thier DR's. You had four posts and all insinuated that we where the dummies and your the genius. Pardon me sir you must be correct.
jonlee1 said:
If I messed up a shot, it was NOT due to the camera. It was due to
my inability to have the correct settings for the shot.

Goes back to TRASH IN TRASH OUT.
montana said:
i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.
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ok i love my 300d..
i was just making a piont.. that there is faults with this cam
jonlee1 said:
If I messed up a shot, it was NOT due to the camera. It was due to
my inability to have the correct settings for the shot.

Goes back to TRASH IN TRASH OUT.
montana said:
i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.
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Oh well. Have you tried putting a nice powerful flash (550EX) onto the DR and then take the kids pictures up close. Maybe you can discourage them with a little blindness!

Else, just don't review the pictures in front of them!

Cheers!
caterpillar said:
hbh said:
caterpillar said:
just taken. I can't take succeeding shots immediately!"
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I agree with your opinions here.

Here's a suggestion to help you maybe justify spending even more
money!

When I took pictures at the company Christmas Party using my DR
w/28-135 IS, 550EX and BG-E1 (battery drive) one of the IT guys
came up to me and said "You being a techy, I would have expected
you to be using a DIGITAL camera". Dumbfounded by the remark I
pointed out it was a digital camera. It blew his mind. He then
pointed out that the BG-E1 looked like a motor drive on a film SLR.
Naturally my setup was a bit massive, and it did make it look like
a traditional fully blown Professional SLR.

Interesting. If you configured yours like mine, maybe you can use
it to your advantage. If people assume you are using film and you
do not tell them otherwise they will not think to interfere with
you as you continue to shoot. Also, having two batteries on board
gave me lots of freedom. I like the grip, although it does
transform to camera into a heavier instrument. What is so neat
about the DR is that if you run it stock it is featherlight and
does a great job. However if you want a little prestigue and look
like you have something more substantial you can transform it into
a whole nuther animal with flash, lens and battery grip.

Just a thought.
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Thanks for the tip. But it's not the adults that oogle over the
camera. It's the children. Maybe it's the silver color. Or maybe,
children are more curious than adults. Then they see me (or the
reflection on my glasses) looking at the back of the LCD checking
out the display, so they start forming around me. Then they see
this colorful and sharp pictures of themselves and they smile and
go ga-ga!

My 75-300mm IS looks more intimidating when zoomed out. That can
catch more attention as far as adults go. Anyway, I expect this to
subside. The holiday season is almost over (in our country it ends
only after the feast of the 3 kings - Jan 6 or so).

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i agree indoors the auto works fine
out doors its doent
lets face it thats the truth
apart from that
i love my 300d.
oldtimer said:
I must confess that I didn't use auto mode (green box) at all so
with all the complaints about auto mode I decided to try it. I
took about 38 pictures the 128 meg card was about full. I took the
pictures around the house without much reguard for composition some
without flash some with the 550 flash and some with the built in
flash. Every pix was correctly exposed and the focus was good. I
handed the camera to my wife who has little interest in photography
on auto and asked her to press halfway on the button then press the
rest of the way after the green light comes on. All her pix came
out OK also. Maybe my camera is special but I doubt it

reguards
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Not everyone.
This not a P&S camera.
This semipro-pro camera
If you do not want to learn or you can not learn please get back to G5 :)

sztajmes
montana said:
i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.
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With digital cameras you seem to have to pay more for the camera to hold your hand less. When you want it to do so it does a worse job than the cheaper ones.

This is a desirable quality in my opinion. My camera only ever visits auto when it is in the hands of a non-photographer. and I always use RAW for all my photos. If a image if underexposed, I compensate. I always test the lighting of a room that I intend to shoot before I shoot and find out that a great shot is dark.

The 300D isn't a P&S and will excell at being very bad in such a roll. It is a camera that hands you almost all the control, if you don't make use of it then it won't perform like it should.

That being said, I have taken 300 pictures. I have one good one. I am learning the camera so I am trying everything. Sure I have messed up great shots but I know how to prevent a repeat.
montana said:
i have a 300d but i am starting to wonder...
my g5 that i returned didnt have as many problems as this cam
dont get me wrong i do like it
but its starting to p..me off
1. the auto mode is overexposed
2. in door pic with flash under exposed
etc...
would anyone else like to add to this thread PLS DO SO
as everyone will understand that this cam is great in its way
BUT? yes BUT..
pls add your veiws and promblems you have encounted and nead to be
addressed
so everyone will help and make others understand..and help solve
these problems. such as the two i have addressed.
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Why is it that the ones that are having problems with the 300D can't stand the fact that most of us are not having any problems. If you are having problems, ask questions, read the manual again, go to the library and check out a book on basic photography, and the best advice yet. Go out and take pictures!
Phil Knott said:
Just maybe the answer lies in your subject heading 'what faults
does every 300d owner have'. Is it possible the 'real' fault lies
with us and NOT the camera? Sure it's not perfect but do we spend
too much time (when we are not staring at our navels) looking for
'faults' instead of getting out there and creating the kind of
great pictures this camera (with all its faults) is capable of?

Just a thought.

Happy New Year

Phil.
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