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Thanks, Jamie.

Check out my pBAse 717 gallery and the High ISO gallery. I do most of my animal work with available light at high ISOs. It's a great challenge and the least stressful for the animals. Either Neat Image or Noise Ninja dispenses with any noise problem...which is minimal if your original image is properly exposed. If it's severely underexposed you'll see a lot of noise...but even that can be dealt with satisfactorily.

I come from a tradition of using lots of Tri-X film which was very grainy. We just accepted the grain and considered it artsy! (At least I DID!)
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Hi, Isabel

Love your work.

Most of my work is shot with available light at ISO 400.

Sometimes I use a noise reduction action, but most of the time the noise isn't a
problem (at least not to my eyes).

This photo of Snoopy is an example a shot where noise reduction was not used.



Regards,
David
 
first of all, you didn't post the original - god knows what kinda post-processing you've done.

second of all, even from a low-res version i can see the color noise (see the dark parts of table). imagine how it will look on 8x10 print.

still, what are you trying to prove? that you can take a photo at iso400 and downsize it, and it will look ok?

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Oleg Kikin said:
first of all, you didn't post the original - god knows what kinda
post-processing you've done.

second of all, even from a low-res version i can see the color
noise (see the dark parts of table). imagine how it will look on
8x10 print.

still, what are you trying to prove? that you can take a photo at
iso400 and downsize it, and it will look ok?

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http://s87486672.onlinehome.us/
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Oleg,

I wasn't trying to impress you or anyone else.

I was complimenting Isabel for her outstanding work and describing what I do.

I said that noise wasn't a problem to me and as I view the photo again it still isn't.

It was printed as an 8x10 and my wife loves it.

Perhaps, we don't see as well as you do.

By the way, there isn't a table in the photograph.

David
 
I'm with you...I love ISO 400 for the animals...and sometimes 800 if the light demands it to stop action. Photography, for me, is more about capturing the spirit of moments than trying to avoid noise. I'm surprised at how many times I don't have to use noise reduction at high ISOs. I certainly don't see objectionable noise in your photo of Snoopy.
Isabel
David Vodofsky said:
Hi, Isabel

Love your work.

Most of my work is shot with available light at ISO 400.

Sometimes I use a noise reduction action, but most of the time the
noise isn't a
problem (at least not to my eyes).

This photo of Snoopy is an example a shot where noise reduction
was not used.



Regards,
David
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Oleg,

Isabel posted a nice photo of her cat using ISO400.

You're rude for suggesting that she have a hidden agenda behind her posting. Isabel have shared many of her beautiful photos in the past. That's what its all about, photos. Its not about having magnififying glasses and checking for noise.

There's a saying "I can't see the forrest because of the trees". Stand back and look at the forrest sometime.
Oleg Kikin said:
first of all, you didn't post the original - god knows what kinda
post-processing you've done.

second of all, even from a low-res version i can see the color
noise (see the dark parts of table). imagine how it will look on
8x10 print.

still, what are you trying to prove? that you can take a photo at
iso400 and downsize it, and it will look ok?
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Isabel Cutler said:
Thanks, Jamie.
Check out my pBAse 717 gallery and the High ISO gallery. I do most
of my animal work with available light at high ISOs. It's a great
challenge and the least stressful for the animals. Either Neat
Image or Noise Ninja dispenses with any noise problem...which is
minimal if your original image is properly exposed. If it's
severely underexposed you'll see a lot of noise...but even that can
be dealt with satisfactorily.
I come from a tradition of using lots of Tri-X film which was very
grainy. We just accepted the grain and considered it artsy! (At
least I DID!)
Isabel

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Oleg was commenting on the cat on the table image posted by Isabel, as can be seen in the indentation of the posts, and not on the picture of the the dog that you posted.

That said, I think Oleg tends to be a little, how shall I say it, lacking in tact when he posts. Sorry Oleg, but that's the way I read some of your posts. If this concerns you, please re-read your posts before hitting the 'post' button. If it doesn't, you can just ignore my input.

Jamie
 
Isabel that was a great shot. I JUST got the f717 and have a dog and am hoping to take such wonderful shots. Nice work!
 
My ISO400 shots always have tons of BIG noise, but then again, I'm usually taking these in terribly inadequate light, so in reality they are underexposed.

Lately I've been using ISO200 more often than not and have been super happy with the results.

Thanks for posting this sample-- I wouldn't have thought it was possible and now I've got more things I can try!

Nancy

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Good grief people...
johnrweb said:
Oleg,

Isabel posted a nice photo of her cat using ISO400.

You're rude for suggesting that she have a hidden agenda behind her
posting. Isabel have shared many of her beautiful photos in the
past. That's what its all about, photos. Its not about having
magnififying glasses and checking for noise.

There's a saying "I can't see the forrest because of the trees".
Stand back and look at the forrest sometime.
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Actually, John, if she had simply posted a photo of her cat for the sake of the 'photo', I really can't understand why the title of the post was "717 - ISO 400 - NO Noise Reduction" instead of "Kewl pic of my Kitty with 717."

The title of the post specifically pointed out the 'high' ISO rating and implied that it was impressive due to no noise reduction being used. And instead of giving her a pat on the back, Oleg offered some constructive criticism.. if maybe a bit tactless. Seeing how there WAS visible noise in such a small version of the picture, I too found it particularly unimpressive as a picture that someone posted as an example of ISO 400 no NR.

Had it been posted as My Kewl Kitty, it would be a different matter altogether. :)
 
My intention in posting the shot was to encourage people to move their ISO settings away from ISO 100 when photographing their pets and to start using available light rather than flash. It makes for really nice lighting and doesn't annoy the animals. I use high ISOs LOTS and really loves the way the Sony deals with the noise. The noise at higher ISOs with my Coolpix 990 and Oly 2100uz was way more objectionable. The Sony 717 and Canon A80 have vastly improved noise reduction in the camera.

Isabel

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Well,

I don't know how the pros look at it, but I think it is a perfectly nice picture.

I am sure Isabel was not planning to sell the picture or anything so noise is not that critical.

I think it would look kewl on a living room wall and the people who look at it will be looking at the cat and would not be looking for microscopic noise.

For beginners like me she was pointing out a better way to shoot in low light and I think the end result is worth the effort.

There is a a lot of difference between gentle suggestions and accusations that are unsubstantiated.

I have been looking at a lot of pictures posted by Isabel,they are really really good and I don't she has the need to do what some people accuse her of.
Keep up the good work Isabel.
Looking forward to more posts by you.

Jaideep Asokan

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