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Bobby Tan
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I have said many times before that the quality of the F828 can NEVER be better than 300D images, or ANY other dSLR for that matter. The 4/3 sensor is a heavyweight and the 2/3 sensor is a lightweight ... so how can you pit a 4/3 sensor against a 2/3 sensor?
Price is not the only consideration. For the price of a 35mm Leica, you can buy a medium format camera. Which will give you better quality? So why does anyone want to buy an expensive 35mm instead of an entry level medium format?
The F828 is selling like hot cakes NOT because it delivers phenomenal quality. The F828 has it's market niche. I have said before too that even if the 300D is HALF the price of the F828 I will NOT be interested in the 300D. And I think there are a lot of STFers who are like me. We want THE BEST fixed lens digicam ... NOT a dSLR.
Now, stop comparing the F828 to a dSLR, as most of us here are simply not interested, and quite fed up with the comparison and constant bashing of the F828 which we like and want. Why don't you take the trouble to compare the F828 with other digicams with a 2/3 sensor? I will certainly be interested in such tests.
Buy the d-Rebel if you are ONLY interested in noise-free images and don't even both to look at STF, as Sony does not make digicams with a 4/3 sensor. If image quality is your sole criteria, go look at the Canon, Nikon, and Sigma forums. If a fixed lens digital camera and the feature set are more important to you, then take a closer look at the F828.
Bobby
Price is not the only consideration. For the price of a 35mm Leica, you can buy a medium format camera. Which will give you better quality? So why does anyone want to buy an expensive 35mm instead of an entry level medium format?
The F828 is selling like hot cakes NOT because it delivers phenomenal quality. The F828 has it's market niche. I have said before too that even if the 300D is HALF the price of the F828 I will NOT be interested in the 300D. And I think there are a lot of STFers who are like me. We want THE BEST fixed lens digicam ... NOT a dSLR.
Now, stop comparing the F828 to a dSLR, as most of us here are simply not interested, and quite fed up with the comparison and constant bashing of the F828 which we like and want. Why don't you take the trouble to compare the F828 with other digicams with a 2/3 sensor? I will certainly be interested in such tests.
Buy the d-Rebel if you are ONLY interested in noise-free images and don't even both to look at STF, as Sony does not make digicams with a 4/3 sensor. If image quality is your sole criteria, go look at the Canon, Nikon, and Sigma forums. If a fixed lens digital camera and the feature set are more important to you, then take a closer look at the F828.
Bobby
Apart from the fact that this has NOTHING to do with the Sony forum (congrats to Canon, by the way), your posting here is proof indeed of your trolling intent.
Posting up a provocative, off topic statement and then retiring is a classic trolling tactic. (see more examples here: http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html )
But seeing as you're so excited by Canon's achievement, why don't you just get a 300D and go off and take some pictures with it?
Preferably by a busy road....
mdebrieder
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I've studied chemistry for a couple of years, but still would I prefer a 10D, maybe a mental thing, but it is my thing 
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DigitalDenizen
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Do you even know the history of the model T? Or are you conveniently leaving out the "innovation" part so you can make this poor analogy for Canon?
The Model T was innovative because it employed the assembly line and swappable, regular parts for all cars. NOT simply because it made cars affordable.
Building a new sensor plant is NOT innovative. It is called "economies of scale." I guess if Sony built a million new plants to churn out 828's so they landed at a $998 retail instead of $999, you'd start calling it innovative?
The Model T was innovative because it employed the assembly line and swappable, regular parts for all cars. NOT simply because it made cars affordable.
Building a new sensor plant is NOT innovative. It is called "economies of scale." I guess if Sony built a million new plants to churn out 828's so they landed at a $998 retail instead of $999, you'd start calling it innovative?
Greg Gebhardt
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If you DO own a 300D, seems like you would be spending some time posting on the Canon 300D forum, but not you. For the last 2-3 weeks, you have ONLY posted in STF. Seems like you are just obcessed with bashing rather than talking about photography.
To most you are making a fool of yourself. You don't want to be like a fool do you?
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--The 300D is cheaply built huh?
Just compare 99% of the shots shown between the 828 and the 300D.
Then and only then will you HAVE TO DECIDE which camera is cheap.
Good Lord, I cant believe how low some people will go when
defending the almighty mighty (CA/high noise/PFing) 828. 90% of the
828 pics I've seen look like some sort of textured print with the
amount(s) of noise that is present. Oh, and the the thing about
CA/PFing? Heh, dont even make me go there...
Man, you people really are brain-washed... And here I thought it
was only a seasonal thing.
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brand new - factory sealed F828 4 sale - email me at my address
above if interested.
but still cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stephen Reed
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You chose not to hear but what you wanted to.
So what you're telling me is the FACT that Canon chose to develope their own CMOS sensor IN-HOUSE wasn't innovative?
Since you don't get it, I'll repeat again. The fact that Canon chose to innovate by developing and manufacturing a new sensor bringing down the cost considerably so that more people may afford the technology IS INNOVATION. NEVER BEFORE the Canon developed larger CMOS sensors has the cost dropped so greatly. Canon went against the grain and ditched the CCD technology and mastered a CMOS sensor that the industry up until then labeled as worthless. YOU BET i can make a good analogy between the Canon 300D and the Model T. Only a person with their head stuck in the sand (or so biased that they can't function well) wouldn't understand this.
Stephen Reed
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So what you're telling me is the FACT that Canon chose to develope their own CMOS sensor IN-HOUSE wasn't innovative?
YOU BET I know the history of the Model T. I also think the analogy is great. I've made it very clear "my 7 year old nephew understood this".
NO CR@P Sherlock!!! I'm positive that's been my message all along. Wake up man!!!
The fact that you solely apply "economies of scale" to manufacturing sensors (or any type of larger size silicon) shows me how much you only assume to know. Innovation has EVERY DARN BIT to do with bringing down cost as well. You wear your ignorance of this subject very well.
Since you don't get it, I'll repeat again. The fact that Canon chose to innovate by developing and manufacturing a new sensor bringing down the cost considerably so that more people may afford the technology IS INNOVATION. NEVER BEFORE the Canon developed larger CMOS sensors has the cost dropped so greatly. Canon went against the grain and ditched the CCD technology and mastered a CMOS sensor that the industry up until then labeled as worthless. YOU BET i can make a good analogy between the Canon 300D and the Model T. Only a person with their head stuck in the sand (or so biased that they can't function well) wouldn't understand this.
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John Burns
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So now that superiority of 300D is established, Canon users will stop coming here and let us discuss how to take pictures of the day with our piece of carp! Or is it just a wishfull thinking?
Craig Jones
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Canon has been innovative with its CMOS sensor tech for some time now. I wouldn't credit that innovation to the 300D. The 300D meets a new price target through reduction in build costs and the bundling of a very inexpensive lens. It's "innovation" is marketing innovation, not technical. To counter that, it seems clear that Canon borrowed heavily from the 10D but saw fit to remove some useful features to prevent cannibalizing 10D sales. That doesn't seem innovative to me.
I don't hate Canon or the 300D, but I see it as a market share play and not a technically innovative product. For all we know, it may be a loss leader for Canon.
I don't hate Canon or the 300D, but I see it as a market share play and not a technically innovative product. For all we know, it may be a loss leader for Canon.
That's all I'm trying to say.
I don't know about this. I sold mine due to what I consider severe
limitations, not its build quality. I hardly considered it cheaply
made.
The cost has always hinged around the sensors. The larger DSLR
sensors cost more than a medium priced car not but six years ago.
Canon has developed an excellent large sensor that scales well
among its bodies offered for a relatively cheaper cost. No matter
how few of you may hate Canon, can’t you admit this innovation?
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Richard91758
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Steve, let me get this straight, I congratulate you on the Canon EOS 300D winning Camera Of The Year at photo.net and I get hammered for it?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Greg, that one cracked me up!!!! Well said, it's made my day and it's only 0813 here..
Richard
Greg Gebhardt in
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Greg, that one cracked me up!!!! Well said, it's made my day and it's only 0813 here..
Richard
The only reason the 300D dominates is it is the first really disposable DSLR.
Greg Gebhardt in
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I'd say the only innovative feature set if the Canon EOS 300D is it's ability to float in water, mainly due to it's plastic body.
Congratulations.
Richard
Congratulations.
Richard
Stephen Reed
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Do you hear me bashing the 828? Why do you feel the need to bash the 300D (A camera which I no longer own because I didn't personally like it).
You're sarcasm is aimed at the wrong person. I'm only here discussing the merits of innovation. I could make some valid arguments as to areas I consider the 828 innovative.
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You're sarcasm is aimed at the wrong person. I'm only here discussing the merits of innovation. I could make some valid arguments as to areas I consider the 828 innovative.
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DigitalDenizen
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Why should I listen to someone who obviously can't have a dialogue above the level of their own seven-year old kid? You call people names and accuse others of not listening yet you seem to repeat the same thing in every message.
Repeating your argument over and over doesn't make it a good one.
Repeating your argument over and over doesn't make it a good one.
So what you're telling me is the FACT that Canon chose to develope
their own CMOS sensor IN-HOUSE wasn't innovative?
YOU BET I know the history of the Model T. I also think the analogy
is great. I've made it very clear "my 7 year old nephew understood
this".
NO CR@P Sherlock!!! I'm positive that's been my message all along.
Wake up man!!!
The fact that you solely apply "economies of scale" to
manufacturing sensors (or any type of larger size silicon) shows me
how much you only assume to know. Innovation has EVERY DARN BIT to
do with bringing down cost as well. You wear your ignorance of this
subject very well.
Since you don't get it, I'll repeat again. The fact that Canon
chose to innovate by developing and manufacturing a new sensor
bringing down the cost considerably so that more people may afford
the technology IS INNOVATION. NEVER BEFORE the Canon developed
larger CMOS sensors has the cost dropped so greatly. Canon went
against the grain and ditched the CCD technology and mastered a
CMOS sensor that the industry up until then labeled as worthless.
YOU BET i can make a good analogy between the Canon 300D and the
Model T. Only a person with their head stuck in the sand (or so
biased that they can't function well) wouldn't understand this.
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Richard91758
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Discuss away Steve, I'm all ears but please don't include the price in the discussion, that's null and void.
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Jose Noway
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.... but you were just as obnoxious in defending your V1. I'm convinced being a weenie is just what you like to do.
Can't we just get this irratating, infantile prat banned from this forum?
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