no review from DPREVIEW

It would be nice if Phil could contact Panasonic and request a
"loaner" be shipped to him. Refer Panasonic to our concerns.
Then Phil could let us know what the reply was from Panasonic.
That should keep everyone happy.
Phil did contact Panasonic. Bob Kozlarek from Panasonic US tried but could not help him and Panasonic UK would not help him.

Incidently, the imaging resource (which I consider the top review site along with dpreview) also has no reviews of Panasonic digicams.
 
As evidence of that, he absolutely had nothing but extraordinarily
high praise for the Minolta A1 Sample images that he took on his
holiday in Thailand and posted them in a First Look of the camera
  • basically saying its images were of extremely high quality, and
that it was possibly the BEST prosumer camera out there. But
later, when he published his review, he simply ignored every
superlative he had used about the camera and its images. He said
its images ranked at the bottom end of all 5 megapixel cameras.
Huh? The same A1 that he gave a "recommended" rating to (saying
that he'll give it a "highly recommended" once they improve their
firmware processing)?

See: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/minoltadimagea1/page21.asp
Phil has NEVER upgraded his reviews that I know of, nor does he correct any errors either. But the damage is always done at the time a camera is reviewed. The words Recommended or Highly recommended don't really mean a thing. The fact is, his technical results have no visable bearing on camera images - even in large blow-ups. He just neglected to say that especially in RAW mode its shots are of extremely high quality - and a large number of A1 owners always shoot in RAW mode anyway. So his review may have had technical merit, but had little to do with real-world results - the quality of which is extremely high.

Many people won't buy until he reviews a camera. As a result, lots of people have given up not buying perfectly good cameras based upon his reviews.

In my opinion, everyone should decide for themselves which is the best camera for them - without relying on reviews to make their decisions. I dare say that many owners of the FZ10 know more about how good this camera is without having to have a reviewer confirm their findings. It is a mistake to rely on the opinions of someone who just puts a camera through a battery of tests, without taking more than a few shots of real-life subjects in real situations and lighting. Like many others, I personally have never waited for a review before buying any camera, and will continue that practise in the future.

Many people are so insecure about choosing a camera that they are in fact allowing someone else choose for them, which really is rather silly when you think about it. People who have already chosen to buy an FZ10 won't really give a hoot what Phil or any other reviewer will write about the camera. They already know how good it is, or isn't. Anything he writes will not make any difference to them, just as his review of the A1 made no difference to me or other owners as to whether or not I am happy with that camera.
Barry
 
pjskelti,

Well put. I admire your diplomacy and efforts to encourage a review from Phil. I for one am curious to find out what his conclusion is about the FZ10, in due time. If, however, a review is not forthcoming.....oh well and so what.

Enough said.

Cheers
Guys, please, take a thorough study of Phil's site and its
contents. Once done, please review the content of your posts on
this thread. Finally, please, ask yourself who's being
presumptiuous.

I know the above question will irk you. But people, please, get
with it! We all have our biases and Phil is certainly entitled to
his. Nothing wrong with that.

That Phil has not personally reviewed any Panasonic cameras does
not affect me. I already have the FZ10 and anything anyone else
says about this excellent camera will only confirm its multitude of
strengts and petty, subjective weaknesses.

Again, feel free to do an exhaustive research of Phil's site and
its brand name contents reviewed. Then, look at it from a
consumer's point of view (newbie or pro). Imagine if you were a
first time visitor to his site and were hoping to rely on his
expert review on X camera. You find it's not there. Next, you
learn that the majority of camera's reviewed correspond to the ones
advertised on his site. Hmmmmmmmmm, how unlike Steve's Digicams.

Cheers
Not wanting to turn this into a heated debate or argument, but it's
obvious you're view of Phil's reviews are based on the glass being
half full method, rather than half empty.

Ultimately, I stand by what I said, since the FZ10 isn't a
worldwide release yet, then as Phi's in the UK, there's an element
of not bothering to include him as a reviewer until such time.
That having been said, Panasonic's marketing people have made a
concious decision not to advertise the camera proactively (or so it
seems) and rely on F1 and Toyota to advertise them as a company
rather than a collection of specific consumer products.
Bottom line, if you want to see a review here, then perhaps the
best place to point your words is in Panasonic's direction, and ask
them to explain their reasons for not having done so.

Like yourself, I've just organised to import an FZ10 to the UK
(hopefully in time for Xmas) and have already sent Phil a message
telling him he's more than welcome to borrow mine should he wish.
As of yet, I've heard no word back, so I guess he's up to his eyes
at the moment, or feels it's Panasonic's job to do that, rather
than myself.

Also, as a first timer into photography, let alone digital
photography, I came to my decision as a direct result of reading
reviews here and the other sites you've mentioned before.
Since an UZI wasn't an option at it's current daft ebay prices,
then new was the only option. After reading reviews of S602, S5000,
Z1, G3, FZ1, then it was pretty much a no-brainer after playing
with (briefly) an S5000 and Z1, and A70. Straight away, I knew I
needed/wanted big zoom. A combination of FZ1 praise, and a "sod it"
attitude, made my decision for me, to finally opt for an FZ10. That
and the fact that Leica are a partner - not that Leica means
anything to me! They're just a brand name that appears to be well
reknowned and respected. And a few other features - burst mode,
manual settings (in the future), etc.

So, at the end of the day, irrespective of whether Sir David Bailey
gave this camera his blessing or not, I felt it was the one for me.
But, and it's a big but, the reviews here and elsewhere were
instrumental in helping me whittle down the selection, and yes, as
a result, they influenced me as well as educated me.
I could have done as most would do, and let a sales person 'tell'
me which one I wanted - but I'm wise to the whole sales thing,
although not all are that way inclined, but it's hard to know for
sure. So, thanks to Phil and others, including members here, I
think I've made the right choice - only time will tell.
 
Barry,

I think you are in error writing "Phil has NEVER upgraded his reviews that I know of, nor does he correct any errors either. But the damage is always done at the time a camera is reviewed."

He does not change things often, (doesn't make many mistakes?) but he did change his comments on the Oly C2100uz when the price dropped. I didn't see the original, just his comment that he had changed his recommendation.

In passing, I think he under-rated the Uzi, a camera that I particularly like, as he clearly thinks you need a higher pixel number than many amateurs do, or that is needed to make a "good" 8 x 10 print. But he is consistent with that. It seems he is so tied up in the technical review part that he may not give due weight to the convenience and sheer fun of a camera like the Uzi. For that, there are other sites like Steves-digicams.

I'm sure his reviews carry a lot of weight though, which may give makers of anything less than a dSLR pause before sending him a sample. The FZ10 is not without flaws.

parallel
As evidence of that, he absolutely had nothing but extraordinarily
high praise for the Minolta A1 Sample images that he took on his
holiday in Thailand and posted them in a First Look of the camera
  • basically saying its images were of extremely high quality, and
that it was possibly the BEST prosumer camera out there. But
later, when he published his review, he simply ignored every
superlative he had used about the camera and its images. He said
its images ranked at the bottom end of all 5 megapixel cameras.
Huh? The same A1 that he gave a "recommended" rating to (saying
that he'll give it a "highly recommended" once they improve their
firmware processing)?

See: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/minoltadimagea1/page21.asp
Phil has NEVER upgraded his reviews that I know of, nor does he
correct any errors either. But the damage is always done at the
time a camera is reviewed. The words Recommended or Highly
recommended don't really mean a thing. The fact is, his technical
results have no visable bearing on camera images - even in large
blow-ups. He just neglected to say that especially in RAW mode its
shots are of extremely high quality - and a large number of A1
owners always shoot in RAW mode anyway. So his review may have had
technical merit, but had little to do with real-world results - the
quality of which is extremely high.
Many people won't buy until he reviews a camera. As a result, lots
of people have given up not buying perfectly good cameras based
upon his reviews.
In my opinion, everyone should decide for themselves which is the
best camera for them - without relying on reviews to make their
decisions. I dare say that many owners of the FZ10 know more about
how good this camera is without having to have a reviewer confirm
their findings. It is a mistake to rely on the opinions of someone
who just puts a camera through a battery of tests, without taking
more than a few shots of real-life subjects in real situations and
lighting. Like many others, I personally have never waited for a
review before buying any camera, and will continue that practise in
the future.
Many people are so insecure about choosing a camera that they are
in fact allowing someone else choose for them, which really is
rather silly when you think about it. People who have already
chosen to buy an FZ10 won't really give a hoot what Phil or any
other reviewer will write about the camera. They already know how
good it is, or isn't. Anything he writes will not make any
difference to them, just as his review of the A1 made no difference
to me or other owners as to whether or not I am happy with that
camera.
Barry
 
Parallel. I'll take your word for it that he upgraded the Oly C2100 review. If so, it is the first time I've heard of him making any changes later. In his News releases he announces firmware updates for some cameras - but does not retest them after.

Of course he does not do as many reviews as the other reviewers. Look how much work he must put into them. Unfortunately, he spends so much time on his technical tests which do not affect most users of most cameras. People are just as interested in reading some subjective information as well about them. While he was using the A1 in the field, one could say that he was obviously excited with it, based upon the very positive comments he made at the time he posted the photos. Why can't these responses be carried over to the actual reviews as well? And in the case of that camera, why did his opinion change so radically? That is my point.

Could it be that the A1 review was to be followed by the reviews of the Canon 300D and soon the Sony 828 - and he needed to leave himself "wiggle-room". What will happen now that the images from the 828 show the massive amounts of CA and noise that they do? Will he overlook this and still give it a Highly Recommended rating? I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that he will overlook it and still give a Highly Recommend rating to that camera.

And what about the fun-factor that we often talk about? For most FZ10 owners, that is a real-life attraction with their cameras, but something that Phil seems to try to avoid in his reviews. FZ10 owners would never give them up because of it.

As for Panasonic. I really don't think they want him to review the camera. There are certain problems such as low-light AF and EVF/LCD that he will pounce upon, and they know it. So why should they give him a test camera and chance losing sales of it?

As for buying one - he never has bought a test camera that I know of, and actually, why should he have to? It's like asking an Auto writer testing a Ferrari to buy one in order to review their car. It should not be necessary, and I doubt if he would want to test one that badly.
Barry
Barry,
I think you are in error writing "Phil has NEVER upgraded his
reviews that I know of, nor does he correct any errors either. But
the damage is always done at the time a camera is reviewed."

He does not change things often, (doesn't make many mistakes?) but
he did change his comments on the Oly C2100uz when the price
dropped. I didn't see the original, just his comment that he had
changed his recommendation.

In passing, I think he under-rated the Uzi, a camera that I
particularly like, as he clearly thinks you need a higher pixel
number than many amateurs do, or that is needed to make a "good" 8
x 10 print. But he is consistent with that. It seems he is so
tied up in the technical review part that he may not give due
weight to the convenience and sheer fun of a camera like the Uzi.
For that, there are other sites like Steves-digicams.

I'm sure his reviews carry a lot of weight though, which may give
makers of anything less than a dSLR pause before sending him a
sample. The FZ10 is not without flaws.

parallel
 
Phil has NEVER upgraded his reviews that I know of, nor does he
correct any errors either.
So, according to what you say, the review that's on the web site now is the original one, right?
He just neglected to say that especially in RAW mode its
shots are of extremely high quality - and a large number of A1
owners always shoot in RAW mode anyway. So his review may have had
technical merit, but had little to do with real-world results - the
quality of which is extremely high.
Seems to me that he said exactly that.

Quote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/minoltadimagea1/page17.asp

After shooting our resolution chart target with the DiMAGE A1 we did note some odd image processing artifacts. These all appear to be tied to the camera's built-in Bayer interpolation, noise reduction, sharpening and image processing algorithms. I say this because most of these effects disappear if you shoot RAW and convert the image using DiMAGE Viewer. The only artifact occasionally visible in every day shots was moiré at resolution limits.

End quote.

In my opinion, if the camera has issues with JPEG processing, Phil should report it (which he did). Shooting RAW does affect file size (number of shots on a card), buffer flush times, etc.
Many people won't buy until he reviews a camera. As a result, lots
of people have given up not buying perfectly good cameras based
upon his reviews.
I don't get it. Phil gives a thorough review, mentioning both the strong and the weak points of the camera and finally recommends it. Now somebody decides not to buy this camera based upon the review and this is somehow Phil's fault?
In my opinion, everyone should decide for themselves which is the
best camera for them - without relying on reviews to make their
decisions.
So what should we rely upon, provided we cannot test every camera ourselves?
I dare say that many owners of the FZ10 know more about
how good this camera is without having to have a reviewer confirm
their findings.
True, but theere are also people who bought it and were disappointed. Specifically, there's a guy over at steve's who got so traumatized by the experience that he feels he needs to diss the FZ10 on every thread...

Reviews are supposed to help one make an informed decision, nothing more.
It is a mistake to rely on the opinions of someone
who just puts a camera through a battery of tests, without taking
more than a few shots of real-life subjects in real situations and
lighting.
I disagree. The net is full of pictures of "real-life subjects in real situations and lighting". A good review should focus on additional angles, particularly those that a home user cannot provide.
Many people are so insecure about choosing a camera that they are
in fact allowing someone else choose for them, which really is
rather silly when you think about it.
Others rush into a decision without having the facts, which is equally silly. But then, most extremes are.
 
As evidence of that, he absolutely had nothing but extraordinarily
high praise for the Minolta A1 Sample images that he took on his
holiday in Thailand and posted them in a First Look of the camera
  • basically saying its images were of extremely high quality, and
that it was possibly the BEST prosumer camera out there. But
later, when he published his review, he simply ignored every
superlative he had used about the camera and its images. He said
its images ranked at the bottom end of all 5 megapixel cameras.
Huh? The same A1 that he gave a "recommended" rating to (saying
that he'll give it a "highly recommended" once they improve their
firmware processing)?

See: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/minoltadimagea1/page21.asp
Phil has NEVER upgraded his reviews that I know of, nor does he
correct any errors either. But the damage is always done at the
time a camera is reviewed. The words Recommended or Highly
recommended don't really mean a thing. The fact is, his technical
results have no visable bearing on camera images - even in large
blow-ups. He just neglected to say that especially in RAW mode its
shots are of extremely high quality - and a large number of A1
owners always shoot in RAW mode anyway. So his review may have had
technical merit, but had little to do with real-world results - the
quality of which is extremely high.
Many people won't buy until he reviews a camera. As a result, lots
of people have given up not buying perfectly good cameras based
upon his reviews.
In my opinion, everyone should decide for themselves which is the
best camera for them - without relying on reviews to make their
decisions. I dare say that many owners of the FZ10 know more about
how good this camera is without having to have a reviewer confirm
their findings. It is a mistake to rely on the opinions of someone
who just puts a camera through a battery of tests, without taking
more than a few shots of real-life subjects in real situations and
lighting. Like many others, I personally have never waited for a
review before buying any camera, and will continue that practise in
the future.
Many people are so insecure about choosing a camera that they are
in fact allowing someone else choose for them, which really is
rather silly when you think about it. People who have already
chosen to buy an FZ10 won't really give a hoot what Phil or any
other reviewer will write about the camera. They already know how
good it is, or isn't. Anything he writes will not make any
difference to them, just as his review of the A1 made no difference
to me or other owners as to whether or not I am happy with that
camera.
Barry
--
Edward II

Good observation. What is really important is the fact that I like the Z10. In my opinion the quality is excellent and it is easy to use. I have compared it to prints from other cameras and think it is near the best. What else matters if we are happy with the results?
 
It would be nice if Phil could contact Panasonic and request a
"loaner" be shipped to him. Refer Panasonic to our concerns.
Then Phil could let us know what the reply was from Panasonic.
That should keep everyone happy.
Phil did contact Panasonic. Bob Kozlarek from Panasonic US tried
but could not help him and Panasonic UK would not help him.

Incidently, the imaging resource (which I consider the top review
site along with dpreview) also has no reviews of Panasonic digicams.
--
Edward II

I don't follow. What do you mean Bob tried to help Phil? Is there some history on the forum. And who at Panasonic UK said they could not help him. It is easy to say but someone must have said no. Where did you get this info. A little more info would be helpful. thanks.
 
Barry, there are several sites that publish reviews of digital cameras. Each reviewer has his own style and focuses on different things.

Phil is very thorough and technical. If you find his reviews too "dry" or don't care for his emphasis on "professional" features, you can always head over to Steve, Dave, Jeff or Denys and read their views of the same cameras.

A good compilation of information is usually available at DCViews.
See, for example, http://www.dcviews.com/_Minolta/a1.htm
 
It would be nice if Phil could contact Panasonic and request a
"loaner" be shipped to him. Refer Panasonic to our concerns.
Then Phil could let us know what the reply was from Panasonic.
That should keep everyone happy.
Phil did contact Panasonic. Bob Kozlarek from Panasonic US tried
but could not help him and Panasonic UK would not help him.

Incidently, the imaging resource (which I consider the top review
site along with dpreview) also has no reviews of Panasonic digicams.
I don't follow. What do you mean Bob tried to help Phil? Is there
some history on the forum. And who at Panasonic UK said they
could not help him. It is easy to say but someone must have said
no. Where did you get this info. A little more info would be
helpful. thanks.
All that information is public and available on this forum and on Steve's. Most comes from Bob's posts as Phil is very tight lipped about the situation. However, I have no reason to suspect that Bob is not telling the truth.

Basically, Bob could not help Phil because Bob is in the US and Phil is in the UK. He also mentioned that Panasonic's policy is to only provide samples to "recognized" publications and, apparently, web sites do not qualify. Bob mentioned that he managed to persuade Panasonic US to loan the FZ10 to Steve and Jeff for reviews but evidently the Brits are stricter than the Yanks.
 
I think if Phil really wanted to get a Z10 he could.
First, there is no "Z10" digital camera. The name is "Panasonic
Lumix DMC-FZ10", usually abbreviated as "FZ10". Similarly, the Z1
is a Minolta, not a Panasonic.
I believe that in a reply today at 10:15 it was YOU who referred to the DMC-FZ10 as the Z10. You have mentioned Z10 a number of other times in other replies. Also my Z1 was a typo. I meant FZ1. Picky, picky.
Second, yes - he could if he "really wanted" but consider this:
some manufacturers send him cameras for reviews (for a limited
time), other cameras he has to get himself (either buy them, which
costs or abuse return policies, which is dishonest). Now, you tell
me which he should review first.
Are you saying that Phil is dishonest. On minute you sound like your defending your brother and the next....???
Panasonic UK consistently refuses to send cameras to web-based
review sites - such is their policy.
Give me some proof. Who at Panasonic made that statement?
like to think that his "in detail" look at cameras is not
influenced by the ones that support him. I would tend to believe
he is unbiased if he did an "in depth" look at a camera from a
company that has not spent alot on advertising.
I too would like to think that Phil is unbiased.
He's choices on what cameras to review are based on the ease of him
obtaining the cameras. I believe that the review contents and
conclusions are detailed, explained and unbiased.
Huh. I thought you said that sometime he buys the camera or obtains it by other methods.
If you have a problem with Phil accepting advertisements, how do
you suggest he pay for the web space, bandwidth and time spend
reviewing?
I never said that. Of course he needs revenue to run a web site. I just wanted to know if Phil will only review cameras that advertise on his web site. If so, fine. But let's here it from Phil.
send him a camera.....order one in the mail. Over to you Phil.
What do you say!
If you are so interested in Phil's review of the FZ10, why won't
you order one in the mail and send it to Phil? Over to you
Edward. What do you say?
No need to get nasty. I believe that I directed the question to Phil. Let's here from Phil first.
By the way, he said that he will review the FZ10 in 2004.
I believe that he said that he will "try" to review it in 2004.

In closing, you don't have to be an MBA to figure out that Phil himself could give everyone a detailed explanation. Phil could tell us who he has contacted at Panasonic, why they have refused to send a camera.

Why, if he has bought other cameras, he does not feel that Panasonic warrants a good look. Once we have heard from Phil we could all make our own conclusions. Until that time you and I could go on forever, quessing and feeling that Phil is biased or not biased. I too am a fan of Phil's. I feel his reviews are great. But let's hear a little more detail from the man himself on the story of Panasonic.

--
Edward II
 
I'm not saying I don't read them, I'm just saying that they play no role in whether or not I buy a particular camera. I already said I always buy my new cameras well before seeing any reviews. Only rarely do reviews come out before cameras are released anyway. So I therefore rely only on my own instincts and testing, by taking the types of shots I take every day. If I am not happy with the results I don't buy the camera. I did buy a 707 after his review came out, but returned it within weeks after seeing some serious problems he did not even talk about.

But I do not buy cameras based upon the results of anybody's reviews. If I did, I would be using a Sony or Nikon camera. If you look at the 707 review (if it's still up) you can read how glowing it is - completely disregarding the unreal color problems that camera had. Many people who were about to buy a D7 ran instead to the Sony. But many also then realized there were problems with the 707 that he did not write about, and got rid of their cameras shortly after - and bought a D7 instead. So be careful placing all of your money based upon reviews - good or bad - by anybody.
Phil has NEVER upgraded his reviews that I know of, nor does he
correct any errors either.
So, according to what you say, the review that's on the web site
now is the original one, right?
If you are talking about the A1 - yes it is the same. I'm saying that the reviews that are posted are the same we will see 6 months or a year from now. He never bothers to correct obvious errors in the D7 review or as I said in any other review that I have seen. You say he did with the 2100 and I'll take your word for it. But please show me any other examples.

His basis of guaging value is based upon the intial announced retail price (which could be put out several months before it is actually released) - even though that may have changed dramatically by the time the camera is released, or when he released his review. But he will still say it is overpriced. So it is not accurate to say that a camera that was announced at say $1,200. is actually selling for far less by the time his review came out. But he still lists it at $1,200. - even though it's release price may have been lower, making it appear as being over-priced.

In the case of Minolta, their opening announced prices are always far higher than they are in the marketplace when they are actually released, and especially one month after their release - as they have this stupid policy of over-pricing them.
He just neglected to say that especially in RAW mode its
shots are of extremely high quality - and a large number of A1
owners always shoot in RAW mode anyway. So his review may have had
technical merit, but had little to do with real-world results - the
quality of which is extremely high.
Seems to me that he said exactly that.
He mentions RAW files in passing in a single sentence, but does not say that they are really superior or good, but simply what it appears to remove. By not discussing this shooting mode at any length he is disregarding the fact that a high percentage of A1 users only shoot in RAW mode. That is what I would call a real-life situation, and he does not take that into account. It's like saying that at 640x480 it takes lousy shots - and going into great detail about why they are bad, but only briefly saying that they are better in RAW.
Quote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/minoltadimagea1/page17.asp

After shooting our resolution chart target with the DiMAGE A1 we
did note some odd image processing artifacts. These all appear to
be tied to the camera's built-in Bayer interpolation, noise
reduction, sharpening and image processing algorithms. I say this
because most of these effects disappear if you shoot RAW and
convert the image using DiMAGE Viewer. The only artifact
occasionally visible in every day shots was moirŽ at resolution
limits.
The results of his tests are indisputable, and I don't know anybody that has ever said they are incorrect - including myself. But most people do not shoot at charts all day. When using extra Fine .jpeg almost all A1 owners are finding very few visable problems or evidence of noise or lack of detail in even very large prints, and are very happy with the results they are getting. And that is my point. Chart results are interesting, but don't really amount to a hill of beans in real world shooting.
Barry
 
As evidence of that, he absolutely had nothing but extraordinarily
high praise for the Minolta A1 Sample images that he took on his
holiday in Thailand and posted them in a First Look of the camera
  • basically saying its images were of extremely high quality, and
that it was possibly the BEST prosumer camera out there. But
later, when he published his review, he simply ignored every
superlative he had used about the camera and its images. He said
its images ranked at the bottom end of all 5 megapixel cameras.
Huh? The same A1 that he gave a "recommended" rating to (saying
that he'll give it a "highly recommended" once they improve their
firmware processing)?

See: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/minoltadimagea1/page21.asp
Phil has NEVER upgraded his reviews that I know of, nor does he
correct any errors either. But the damage is always done at the
time a camera is reviewed. The words Recommended or Highly
recommended don't really mean a thing. The fact is, his technical
results have no visable bearing on camera images - even in large
blow-ups. He just neglected to say that especially in RAW mode its
shots are of extremely high quality - and a large number of A1
owners always shoot in RAW mode anyway. So his review may have had
technical merit, but had little to do with real-world results - the
quality of which is extremely high.
Many people won't buy until he reviews a camera. As a result, lots
of people have given up not buying perfectly good cameras based
upon his reviews.
In my opinion, everyone should decide for themselves which is the
best camera for them - without relying on reviews to make their
decisions. I dare say that many owners of the FZ10 know more about
how good this camera is without having to have a reviewer confirm
their findings. It is a mistake to rely on the opinions of someone
who just puts a camera through a battery of tests, without taking
more than a few shots of real-life subjects in real situations and
lighting. Like many others, I personally have never waited for a
review before buying any camera, and will continue that practise in
the future.
Many people are so insecure about choosing a camera that they are
in fact allowing someone else choose for them, which really is
rather silly when you think about it. People who have already
chosen to buy an FZ10 won't really give a hoot what Phil or any
other reviewer will write about the camera. They already know how
good it is, or isn't. Anything he writes will not make any
difference to them, just as his review of the A1 made no difference
to me or other owners as to whether or not I am happy with that
camera.
Barry
--
Edward II

Good observation. What is really important is the fact that I like
the Z10. In my opinion the quality is excellent and it is easy to
use. I have compared it to prints from other cameras and think it
is near the best. What else matters if we are happy with the
results?
Nothing else matters. All that matters is if you are enjoying the camera and it does what you expect from it. Who cares what anyone else thinks.
Barry
 
I think if Phil really wanted to get a Z10 he could.
First, there is no "Z10" digital camera. The name is "Panasonic
Lumix DMC-FZ10", usually abbreviated as "FZ10". Similarly, the Z1
is a Minolta, not a Panasonic.
I believe that in a reply today at 10:15 it was YOU who referred to
the DMC-FZ10 as the Z10. You have mentioned Z10 a number of other
times in other replies.
What exactly are you smoking, 'cause I want some.

Here's my post you refered to: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=7016898

Here's a link to all my posts: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/postersprofile.asp?poster=hjimidiehmif
You're welcome to try and find a single reference to a "Z10".

You, on the other hand do it consistently:
Good observation. What is really important is the fact that I like the Z10
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=7018829
One thing we all seem to be in agreement with, the Z10 is a great camera.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=7013311
I think if Phil really wanted to get a Z10 he could. You think he would be interested just because the Z10 has been getting "good word of mouth".
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=7007693
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=7007543
I am also a new user. Have had the Z10 for 1 month and I am totally pleased with the results. I have compared my results to a friends Canon G5 and we both agree that the Z10 is better. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=7002280
Second, yes - he could if he "really wanted" but consider this:
some manufacturers send him cameras for reviews (for a limited
time), other cameras he has to get himself (either buy them, which
costs or abuse return policies, which is dishonest). Now, you tell
me which he should review first.
Are you saying that Phil is dishonest. On minute you sound like
your defending your brother and the next....???
Wow, you do have serious reading comprehension problems. Let me rephrase that using small words and simple sentences: Phil reviews cameras that are sent to him BECAUSE he does NOT want to abuse return policies. Got it now?
Panasonic UK consistently refuses to send cameras to web-based
review sites - such is their policy.
Give me some proof. Who at Panasonic made that statement?
Bob Kozlarek (not in so many words but that's the gist of it).
His choices on what cameras to review are based on the ease of him
obtaining the cameras. I believe that the review contents and
conclusions are detailed, explained and unbiased.
Huh. I thought you said that sometime he buys the camera or
obtains it by other methods.
Learn to read. I said that this is impractical for him to do so.
If you have a problem with Phil accepting advertisements, how do
you suggest he pay for the web space, bandwidth and time spend
reviewing?
I never said that. Of course he needs revenue to run a web site.
I just wanted to know if Phil will only review cameras that
advertise on his web site. If so, fine. But let's here it from
Phil.
I don't remember seeing Canon ads on his site lately.
By the way, he said that he will review the FZ10 in 2004.
I believe that he said that he will "try" to review it in 2004.

In closing, you don't have to be an MBA to figure out that Phil
himself could give everyone a detailed explanation. Phil could
tell us who he has contacted at Panasonic, why they have refused to
send a camera.
Why should he? He probably prefers to spend his time running this site and reviewing cameras rather than replying to personal attacks and "explaining" his decisions.

If you have a problem with that, there are 4 other good digicam sites whose owners may have different policies.
Why, if he has bought other cameras, he does not feel that
Panasonic warrants a good look.
I don't believe he does that. He gets samples from manufacturers, same as most other "big" reviewers.
Once we have heard from Phil we
could all make our own conclusions. Until that time you and I
could go on forever, quessing and feeling that Phil is biased or
not biased. I too am a fan of Phil's.
I am not. I just don't like to see baseless accusations of dishonesty or bias. I dislike allegations and implications even more because they are vague and are not based on facts, therefore harder to combat.
I feel his reviews are
great. But let's hear a little more detail from the man himself
on the story of Panasonic.
He was asked about the issue several times before and declined to comment. I believe it his prerogative.
 
SirLeicaLot wrote:

As for your take about Phil and his site, again, I'm with you. I
don't know Phil. I'm sure he's a nice guy and is quite the expert
in his field. It's clear, however, that he is also one savy
business man. His reviews are detailed but only covers a select
group of brand names. It also just so happens that these are the
cameras advertised on his site. Hence, no surprise that Phil does
not have the PANASONIC FZ10 featured.

I think it's incorrect to suggest that Phil is motivated by those
paying him to advertise here, as is the case with some of the photo
rags on the market. Do a search of his posts and you'll find that
he's stated he only reviews what he considers to be more top of the
line camera's. He feels the site is geared more toward prosumers
than the point and shoot crowd. Also, if a company doesn't send
him a camera to test and review (and Panasonic has not), they must
not be interested in having it marketed which isn't his fault. One
wouldn't expect a book reviewer at a newspaper to go buy a book so
he or she could write a review. The publisher sends the book to
reviewers with the hope that a favorable review will be written.
It's a marketing tool for the seller, therefore the reviewer isn't
expected to go chase the goods down.
--
Edward II

OK everyone, let's just all take a deep breath. No one is
"accusing" anyone of anything.....implying yes, accusing no. It
would be nice if Phil could contact Panasonic and request a
"loaner" be shipped to him. Refer Panasonic to our concerns.
Then Phil could let us know what the reply was from Panasonic.
That should keep everyone happy. What do you say Phil, why not
get the ball rolling.

I just hope that you don't have to check with Canon before you
contact Panasonic. (just kidding)

One thing we all seem to be in agreement with, the Z10 is a great
camera. Cheers and have a great new year.
Since you've cut and pasted my reply, I'm responding once more. I don't think anyone used the word accusing. In my post, I use the word suggest.

Imply is actually a synonym for suggest, so this isn't even a matter of semantics. As for Phil contacting Panasonic - I believe I read he attempted to do that to no avail. Suggestions that people take a deep breath simply because they responded to a post, or (as another poster stated) to thoroughly check out this entire site in order to get a better handle on what's going on here, are silly. Nobody overreacted and there is no agenda. If anyone is going to research anything, I would recommend they do a search of Phil's posts to get a better handle on what his philosophy is with regard to dpreview.com.
 

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