my first 828 pixs

Shutter. · Dec 15, 2003

Michele,

I'm not blaming RAG for anything wrong. He just shot the camera in auto mode. This would have happened to any photographer under the same conditions.

The CA/purple fringing is the purple outline of all the highlights... you can't miss it in this photo, it's everywhere...
http://www.sonyguy.com/first828/imagepages/image8.html

MicheleP said:
anyone scare you off from posting more. I don't even know what CA
means !! LOL

I enjoyed the dragonfly pics.

Keep clicking.

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Nico_web · Dec 15, 2003

I have also pre ordered a F828.

What I'm really worried about, is that the settings in those pictures (auto mode) are ISO 64 and 1/50 sec?!!!

I really wonder what the picture would look like at ISO 100 or 200 or more, at 1/100, 1/500 or even 1/1000 sec (lile on my G3....).
Will the picture have a lot of noise ?!!!

1/50 sec is quite long...if you take a pic of anything slighlty moving...
How will the picture look like for night shot, 1/3 to 1 sec ?

Nico_web

ps: thanks for the pictures RAG !

Gene Miller77510 · Dec 15, 2003

Justin,

There will be time to give constructive criticism. It's just when someone who just got this new camera and before he is able to read the manual and get use to his camera, he post his first pictures to share with all of us. Now is not the time to be critical, that can be discouraging. What I seen from RAG so far has been fantastic and I think that it is going to be one great camera. I am very happy that he was so excited that he found time to share his happiness with all of us. Let him have his moment. I share his happiness, his excitement, and thrill of seeing his first F828 pictures.

Phil will soon enough give us a critical evaluation of the F828 along with other reviewers. Let us right now share in a member's happiness.

Justin Blethrow said:
Gene Miller said:

RAG said:

1. I am not a professional photographer but I like (and buy) all
sony digital cameras
2. I took the camera out of the box and took the pictures- all at
auto
3. I realize picture subjects and composition not great

enjoy

full size http://www.sonyguy.com/first828

small http://www.sonyguy.com/first828small

more later

go Dolphins!!!!!!!!

Richard
Ft. Lauderdale

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Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

My guess is that these were shot in Standard color mode. I'd like to see some in Real mode, too, for comparison.

Shutter. said:
Reds sure looks nice...
http://www.sonyguy.com/first828/imagepages/image2.html

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Jim W77519 · Dec 15, 2003

Right on, I agree 100%..And thanks for speaking up.
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Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

What are you guys TALKING about? There is absolutely NO problem here.

Not in the plants, not on the chrome, not on the Post Office truck, nowhere! ;-)

Shutter. said:
Yikearoonies... noise doesn't look so bad, but doesn't the CA seem
a little extreme?! Every single hotspot has CA... look at the
leaves on the bush...

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Hawkman · Dec 15, 2003

As I pointed out about the Sony released samples, which were indoors under mild conditions, there was CA there (in the hair of the girl in the first photo). Sigh.

The noise and detail in these look much better than the Sony samples however.

Also apppears Sony has improved red blowout, but not completely got rid of it.

Gene

Shutter. said:
Shutter. said:

I won't go there for now. But we all know there are certain
conditions which causes one to have more CA than other conditions.
I really don't believe it will be any worse than the F717 and maybe
it will be better. We will all find out soon enough. I just don't
believe it will be a problem.

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Oh boy, we'll have to see... I just went through and looked at
about 20 of my old photos that would have had a propensity to show
purple fringing, and I only found one, and it wasn't near the
extent of this one... (probably the worst ca and fringing I've seen
in a camera of this level)
http://www.sonyguy.com/first828/imagepages/image8.html

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not blaming RAG for this. He
said he just shot in auto mode so we could see some samples. But I
am saying that if it treats all highlights like this, the 828 is in
a heap of trouble.

But, I'll hold out and see. These conditions definitely were ripe
for CA and fringing.

Jim

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David_S85 · Dec 15, 2003

When the 828 Promo video came out, one generous STF'er hosted the MPEG versions of both of them, and his transfers shot to 3gigs in 5 hours.

I gon't know what your service includes, but I have a limit of 5gig's per month, and I must pay dearly for every gig after that.

If you get to within a gig, pull 'em down if you don't want to pay extra. The stats are hardly ever posted in real time.

And... Very many thanks for posting your shots here. They are quite the diversion for this afternoon, aren't they? We're picking them apart (not your skills, just the 828, in general).

Have fun with your new purchase.

David

Nico_web · Dec 15, 2003

I have also pre ordered a F828.

What I'm really worried about, is that the settings in those pictures (auto mode) are ISO 64 and 1/50 sec?!!!

I really wonder what the picture would look like at ISO 100 or 200 or more, at 1/100, 1/500 or even 1/1000 sec (lile on my G3....).

Will the picture have a lot of noise ?!!!

1/50 sec is quite long...if you take a pic of anything slighlty moving...
How will the picture look like for night shot, 1/3 to 1 sec ?

Nico_web

ps: thanks for the pictures RAG !

RAG said:
1. I am not a professional photographer but I like (and buy) all
sony digital cameras
2. I took the camera out of the box and took the pictures- all at
auto
3. I realize picture subjects and composition not great

enjoy

full size http://www.sonyguy.com/first828

small http://www.sonyguy.com/first828small

more later

go Dolphins!!!!!!!!

Richard
Ft. Lauderdale

Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

David Martin said:
Justin Blethrow said:

Brianos 2.0 said:

Brian

RAG said:

1. I am not a professional photographer but I like (and buy) all
sony digital cameras
2. I took the camera out of the box and took the pictures- all at
auto
3. I realize picture subjects and composition not great

enjoy

full size http://www.sonyguy.com/first828

small http://www.sonyguy.com/first828small

more later

go Dolphins!!!!!!!!

Richard
Ft. Lauderdale

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Wild and uninformed speculation on my part, but could this be
anything to do with the different 4-colour sensor? Norman Bayer
algorythyms presumably would not cut it, so they would have had to
start from scratch?
If so, it might be firmware addressable
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David_S85 · Dec 15, 2003

As I'm downloading RAG's shots (over dial-up... GULP!), I am noticing the bleeding in the red flowers over the greens. Oddly, in some pics, they're good, and others, they're quite disconcerning. I will examine the EXIFs in detail afer a few more come down the wire; it could be camera movement and slow shutter speeds? I hope this is the case.

Now, I have nothing great to compare that with, owning an S85, but it sure looks like Sony didn't tweak that fully out of there since we saw the horrible Yellow Flowers Field shot (along with the ugly ducks) a couple months ago.

This worries me a little. I can deal with the CA/Blooming in post (Thanks Dmitry!), but the bleeding, while not as bad as the pre-pro shots, is not something that's easily handled later.

Overall, though, the real-world shots that NAG has given us, are better than I expected so soon.

David

Hawkman said:
GAO wrote:
As I pointed out about the Sony released samples, which were
indoors under mild conditions, there was CA there (in the hair of
the girl in the first photo). Sigh.

The noise and detail in these look much better than the Sony
samples however.

Also apppears Sony has improved red blowout, but not completely got
rid of it.

Gene

Shutter. said:

Hawkman said:

I won't go there for now. But we all know there are certain
conditions which causes one to have more CA than other conditions.
I really don't believe it will be any worse than the F717 and maybe
it will be better. We will all find out soon enough. I just don't
believe it will be a problem.

Click to expand...

Oh boy, we'll have to see... I just went through and looked at
about 20 of my old photos that would have had a propensity to show
purple fringing, and I only found one, and it wasn't near the
extent of this one... (probably the worst ca and fringing I've seen
in a camera of this level)
http://www.sonyguy.com/first828/imagepages/image8.html

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not blaming RAG for this. He
said he just shot in auto mode so we could see some samples. But I
am saying that if it treats all highlights like this, the 828 is in
a heap of trouble.

But, I'll hold out and see. These conditions definitely were ripe
for CA and fringing.

Jim

Click to expand...

Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

taik, you may be on to something!

I'm glad you exposed it.

taikonaut1 said:
Its another Sony rip-off. They havent got the technology so they
just throw in anything to fob consumers off. The company dont learn
from others and always try their own things eventually they ran of luck.

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mike vanderstelt · Dec 15, 2003

RAG said:
1. I am not a professional photographer but I like (and buy) all
sony digital cameras
2. I took the camera out of the box and took the pictures- all at
auto
3. I realize picture subjects and composition not great

enjoy

full size http://www.sonyguy.com/first828

small http://www.sonyguy.com/first828small

more later

go Dolphins!!!!!!!!

Richard
Ft. Lauderdale

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Mike V.
Rag!
They look great to me buddy!!
Are you going to blow them up to the size of a house?

then don't worry about it, besides, it was probably the lighting situation anyway, and probably will hardly ever happen.

Congratulations you lucky dog you! mine should be here in the next few days. Take one for me!!
Mike V.

Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

This is true.

But as you and I know, we've had a certain block of folks that has indeed been mean-spirited and that were already committed against the camera before any samples --- pre-pro or otherwise --- were ever seen.

Now that real samples are becoming available, we're seeing the things that were predicted to be characteristics of the final product.

Some things are doing better than expected (such as noise). Others, at least in RAG's shots are a bit aggravating (the CA immediately comes to mind). Different people will have sensitivities to different problems, but we're also seeing a lot of unnecessary (but expected) bashing.

Poor RAG and Jon. It's their first day, and they can barely enjoy their camera!

Critique the camera and the issues ---- as well as the good points. But recognize bashing for what it is, too.

The lovers and the haters. I suppose from a certain point of view you need them both. Heheh....

Justin Blethrow said:
critical by definition. That is necessary. That doesn't mean it has
to be mean-spirited, that is a separate issue. A lot of people seem
to make he mistake of confusing scrutiny with disdain.

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Hawkman · Dec 15, 2003

Rag's are certainly much better than Sony's sample shots!

Gene

David_S85 said:
David

David_S85 said:

GAO wrote:
As I pointed out about the Sony released samples, which were
indoors under mild conditions, there was CA there (in the hair of
the girl in the first photo). Sigh.

The noise and detail in these look much better than the Sony
samples however.

Also apppears Sony has improved red blowout, but not completely got
rid of it.

Gene

Shutter. said:

David_S85 said:

I won't go there for now. But we all know there are certain
conditions which causes one to have more CA than other conditions.
I really don't believe it will be any worse than the F717 and maybe
it will be better. We will all find out soon enough. I just don't
believe it will be a problem.

Click to expand...

Oh boy, we'll have to see... I just went through and looked at
about 20 of my old photos that would have had a propensity to show
purple fringing, and I only found one, and it wasn't near the
extent of this one... (probably the worst ca and fringing I've seen
in a camera of this level)
http://www.sonyguy.com/first828/imagepages/image8.html

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not blaming RAG for this. He
said he just shot in auto mode so we could see some samples. But I
am saying that if it treats all highlights like this, the 828 is in
a heap of trouble.

But, I'll hold out and see. These conditions definitely were ripe
for CA and fringing.

Jim

Click to expand...

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Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

Most viewers of RAG's images were pleased by the lower noise levels, lower than we'd seen in any pre-production images or recent images to date.

They're also generally sharper and more detailed than what we've seen thus far.

Heheh... pre-pro images are never exactly the same as final.

taikonaut1 said:
Maybe, but I also own the F717, I refuse the F828 after seeing some
preproduction image which is exactly the same as the production
model. If its good I will buy it.

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Justin Blethrow · Dec 15, 2003

Hi Gene, I quite agree that we shouldn't be raining on RAG's parade, and I too appreciate his efforts.

I think maybe we aren't using the same definition of 'critical'. In common usage people tend to attach a negative conotation to the word, I'm using it here in the stricter, more scientific and technical sense that doesn't mean 'negative' but more like 'measured' and 'unemotional'. To the extent that we are able to do so from what's been presented here, I think we are all entitled to do so, you can't expect people to refrain after so much waiting. However, if we're all going to be good little scientists, we have to remember that we can't draw many conclusions at all from so little data. ;-)

Gene Miller said:
There will be time to give constructive criticism. It's just when
someone who just got this new camera and before he is able to read
the manual and get use to his camera, he post his first pictures to
share with all of us. Now is not the time to be critical, that can
be discouraging. What I seen from RAG so far has been fantastic and
I think that it is going to be one great camera. I am very happy
that he was so excited that he found time to share his happiness
with all of us. Let him have his moment. I share his happiness, his
excitement, and thrill of seeing his first F828 pictures.

Phil will soon enough give us a critical evaluation of the F828
along with other reviewers. Let us right now share in a member's
happiness.

Justin Blethrow said:

Gene Miller said:

RAG said:

1. I am not a professional photographer but I like (and buy) all
sony digital cameras
2. I took the camera out of the box and took the pictures- all at
auto
3. I realize picture subjects and composition not great

enjoy

full size http://www.sonyguy.com/first828

small http://www.sonyguy.com/first828small

more later

go Dolphins!!!!!!!!

Richard
Ft. Lauderdale

Click to expand...

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Click to expand...

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Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

Michele has a point, however.

Our enthusiasm for finding both good and bad (and most critiquing usually turns out to be about finding the bad) is almost assuredly not allowing RAG or Jon to enjoy their cameras on their first few hours with them.

Shutter. said:
Michele,

I'm not blaming RAG for anything wrong. He just shot the camera in
auto mode. This would have happened to any photographer under the
same conditions.

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Ulysses

Ulysses · Dec 15, 2003

What sort of display are you guys using to view this shot?

Max Fun said:
I'm concerned about the anti-aliasing (or the lack of) in the
pictures, amongst other things. It is going to be a problem if you
blow it up I think (I think the other problem is clear enough)...

Here is a crop of what I mean:

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richard cohen · Dec 15, 2003

oh, hang on a second, it really IS ugly!!!

thanks for the shots, you should get some sleep and let the next 50 posts pile up here!!

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