A thought about DSLR's and NTF...

I've already done so, Sandi. However, I'm pretty sure the DSLR owners won't mind keeping their DSLR posts to one thread alone. Heck, I am one and I don't mind that at all. I think you've already seen the response from Jarrell in this thread. I'm thinking more will follow.

Let's see. In the meantime, I've posted the thread as "Suggestion re DSLR vs. Coolpix issue" in this same forum.

Let's have everyone's feedback...

Cheers.

Sandra Jackson said:

Parham said:

Why don't I just for starters post the same post as a new thread on
this forum for everyone to give their opinion and then if we reach
majority (or an overwhelming "yes"), we'll just go with a "DSLR
corner" or whatever else we want to call it.

What do you say?

Regards.

Sandra Jackson said:

So Parham, go start the thread: I think it should be called "The
DSLR Thread" so it's clear to all and any posting outside of it
can just be steered there so their buddies can answer their
questions, etc.

Ahhhhhhhh, there are no problems in life, just solutions waiting to
found.
Cheers, Sandi

Parham said:

How would you all feel about putting ONE thread aside on NTF (and I
mean one - uno), call it "The DSLR Thread", or "NTF alumni" (or
whatever else) for all those who still feel bonded to the NTF for
whatever reason, for them to have their DSLR discussions there, be
it technical or not, with the condition that they'd only post
everything they want in that one thread and not start a new one
until the 150 post limit of the thread has been reached.

This way, they'd be hanging around here to help other Coolpix
users, perhaps post Coolpix topics of their own, and at the same
time still be in contact with the NTF 'graduates' to discuss
DSLR-related topics.

What do you think?

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You are so correct in your summation of the situation... but I do disagree that we should just wait and see what happens... what has happened so far by doing this is that we have lost some valuable members... they've slipped away because "the direction of this forum has changed". Yes I think some of the reasons for the DSLR'rs being here may be deeper. My reasons have nothing to do with jealousy whatsoever... I have other personal reasons for sticking with the 5700.

acknack said:

Does this sum it up?

FOR DSLR:

1. These posters have valuable experience to pass on to the forum.
2. This forum is nicer than the other forum.
3. It is more comfortable here.
4. Nikon is Nikon so we should ignore the definition of the forum.
5. It's the photographer not the camera.
6. I like all kinds of pictures, so post them all.
7. Photography is what it is about, not cameras.
8. We break other forum rules so whats the big deal?
9. We just want to co-exist.

FOR CP:
1. Forum rules are very clear. NTF = Nikon CP, NDSLR = Nikon DSLR.
2. Too many DSLR posts.
3. DSLR posts are getting so much attention that CP posts are getting
pushed off the front page too soon.
4. DSLR posts intimidate newbies and others to either leave the
forum or
not participate.
5. We like you guys and don't mind you hanging around, but lack of
restraint by DSLR posters MIGHT turn NTF into DSLR2.

It seems to me that these arguments can be applied to many subjects
in all areas of society.
Can this be settled amongst ourselves??? Or, do our reasons really
go deeper than NTF?
I have previously posted my opinion, but I don't think this can be
settled with discussion in the forum. We just have to wait and see
what happens.
acknack

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Member said:

IMHO, it's only a very little bunch of people who's complaining
about DSLR, and ALLWAYS the same ones... So, until Phil's doing
something, let the dogs bark ... and keep shooting with whatever
you want, be it DSLR or P&S (as long as it's NOT a Canon !)

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Tough talking JP, however looking at this thread its looks like a little bunch of people who want to post DSLR pic (and its ALWAYS the same ones) vs a little bunch of people who dont' want this place becoming DSLRII.

Member said:

;-P

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Hey, Tom, you sure stirred up the pot -lol. I can identify with that. A few months back, I suggested people identify their camera when they posted a picture, and couldn't believe the hurt feelings and firestorm that followed :- .

Things had settled down pretty well... until your post . Now you've got Sandi fired up (which isn't tough to do), and Steven feeling persecuted again. Steven, I love you, man, but surely you realize that you are the Poster Child for conspicuous consumption, and you do post a lot of pictures.

Tom, your suggestion that things should OFFICIALLY change jbecause Jarrell has a d100 is unacceptable. The fact is, things WILL change because Jarrell has a d100, because he is deservedly the biggest draw on the forum. We just need to let it happen naturally, without proclamations and fanfare.

And JP and Ed, don't even think of resigning again. We'll just have to drag you back, like we did last time.

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... all my work has come from Coolpixes, either the 990 or the 5700 but thanks for the compliment. I'm pushing this 5700 as far as I can - testing its limits, strengths, etc. I still love my 990 though, and it feels like an old friend in my hands. I have personal reasons for not going DSLR, none which have to do with $$, unfortunately. The $$ are in plenty supply, the other factors aren't.

If I did have a DSLR, I'd be in both forums, here helping out the CP owners and their struggles with digital conversion from film, trying to figure out the complicated menues (or so they seem when they take it out of the box), etc. and I'd be on NSLR with my new photos, asking questions about lenses, shoot techniques, etc.

Rapick said:

Nice to see a post like yours here, coming from a happy DSRL owner
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And, ya, I know what you're gonna say next, you Took the pic

Steven S said:

with a Coolpix, right, so that makes it "ok", and Not off-topic?
Wrong, because that entire thread was devoted to PS manipulations
of that pic.

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Offtopic for me is extremely rare, in fact I don't remember any other one other than that one, and considering the number of posts about tripods, camera cases, even printing, all sorts of things that have been found here, I didn't think anyone would mind just one post. That is not what is up for discussion here. We are NOT talking about "off topic" posts. Let's try to stick to the subject at hand.

Steven S said:

The Overwhelming majority
over there voted Against the split. Let the people of NTF decide
for themselves by way of an offcial poll. Let democracy allow us to
collectively decide what can and cannot be done on this board. It's
the only fair thing to do for all of us concerned.

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In all fairness, we've lost a lot of CP members due to this so it won't be a fair vote. And if Phil did create the Lens forum in spite of what the vote was, then I guess his word still stands for something around here, and he has already dictated the purpose of each forum.
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Sandra Jackson said:

... what has happened so far by doing this is that we have lost
some valuable members... they've slipped away because "the
direction of this forum has changed".

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Sandi, I don't know of a single contributor who has left because of dslr posts. Guess I'm out of the loop. Tell me who they are, and I'll try to persuade them to come back.

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Jarrell, I've started a thread titled "Suggestion re DSLR vs. Coolpix issue" for everyone to vote on the suggestion. The idea is if we get an overwhelming majority, then we'll implement. As simple as that. I'm sure your vote will encourage a lot of others to do so as well.

(Darn, I never thought I'd ever 'lobby' for votes on a photo discussion forum some day... What is this world coming to? ;-)

Jarrell Conley said:

Clivegriff said:

That seems like a very good idea to me.

At the very least, it's worth a try.

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Ed,

I understand that you feel like you are tip toeing at times. I certainly enjoy your input, as do many others. You have a lot to offer newbies who need help with technical issues on coolpixes as well as general photography issues and technique.

Certainly you posting a photo here and going over how it was taken and processed should not be an issue.

Questions on what gear to buy for dslr's would be better in the appropriate forum, I myself need to adhere better to that.

So, life doesnt have to be black or white, we know there are many colors to choose from, stay and help us poor helpless slobs that need it, me specifically.

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...if he didn't get that @¢ # of D100, Tom wouldn't have started the thread, and....

...but well, I'm affraid things are really getting BAD... I guess, seriously, that -he won't like it- but as someone said, HE's THE GODFATHER HERE and many things will/might depend on Jarrell's decision...

No doubt that Jarrell will use more his D100 than his CP5700, even if he LOVES it -as I still love my CP5K-, but eck... there's no comparison... so IMHO if Jarrell leaves NTF -to follow the rule- there will be an ENORMOUS EMPTINESS here !!! ...and I guess that there will be many other -DSLR owners- that will follow Jarrell on Nikon SLR Forum... (unfortunatly (!?!) I have a Fuji S2, so WILL I BE ABLE TO POST in the Nikon DSLR Forum ?

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J-P, read this post, then go and vote in the mentioned thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&message=6930529

Regards.

J-P. Scherrer said:

...if he didn't get that @¢ # of D100, Tom wouldn't have started
the thread, and....
...but well, I'm affraid things are really getting BAD... I guess,
seriously, that -he won't like it- but as someone said, HE's THE
GODFATHER HERE and many things will/might depend on Jarrell's
decision...
No doubt that Jarrell will use more his D100 than his CP5700, even
if he LOVES it -as I still love my CP5K-, but eck... there's no
comparison... so IMHO if Jarrell leaves NTF -to follow the rule-
there will be an ENORMOUS EMPTINESS here !!! ...and I guess that
there will be many other -DSLR owners- that will follow Jarrell on
Nikon SLR Forum... (unfortunatly (!?!) I have a Fuji S2, so WILL I
BE ABLE TO POST in the Nikon DSLR Forum ?

Cheers,
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They asked for confidentiality on the discussion of the topic and I have to honour that. If you go back about six-eight months and look at some of the regulars, and if you subtract the 'gone to DSLR', you'll be able to figure it out.

A recent email from one of them said "in spite of raising the topic before, the matter seems to have gotten worse" so I don't think they'd be inclined to come back. I do miss seeing their sunshiny words each day.

Uncle Frank said:

Sandra Jackson said:

... what has happened so far by doing this is that we have lost
some valuable members... they've slipped away because "the
direction of this forum has changed".

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Sandi, I don't know of a single contributor who has left because of
dslr posts. Guess I'm out of the loop. Tell me who they are, and
I'll try to persuade them to come back.

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Uncle Frank said:

Sandra Jackson said:

... what has happened so far by doing this is that we have lost
some valuable members... they've slipped away because "the
direction of this forum has changed".

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Sandi, I don't know of a single contributor who has left because of
dslr posts. Guess I'm out of the loop. Tell me who they are, and
I'll try to persuade them to come back.

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...and how many ex-Coolpix users have left because they bought another camera, like Sony or Canon -even not DSLR- ? ...and how many NEW users are coming in and substituing the ones who left ?

...and the theory that "newbees" are affraid/complexed when seiing DSLR pics ? What's that ??? ...I can show you thousend of VERY BAD DSLR pics... I do believe that one should allways look HIGHER to progress, and not look at the same level, isnt'it ?

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Uncle Frank said:

Hey, Tom, you sure stirred up the pot -lol. I can identify with
that. A few months back, I suggested people identify their camera
when they posted a picture, and couldn't believe the hurt feelings
and firestorm that followed :- .

Things had settled down pretty well... until your post . Now
you've got Sandi fired up (which isn't tough to do), and Steven
feeling persecuted again. Steven, I love you, man, but surely you
realize that you are the Poster Child for conspicuous consumption,
and you do post a lot of pictures.

Tom, your suggestion that things should OFFICIALLY change jbecause
Jarrell has a d100 is unacceptable. The fact is, things WILL
change because Jarrell has a d100, because he is deservedly the
biggest draw on the forum. We just need to let it happen
naturally, without proclamations and fanfare.

And JP and Ed, don't even think of resigning again. We'll just
have to drag you back, like we did last time.

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You're right partner. Shoulda kept my thoughts to myself! But I'm used to catching peoples' anger and stirring stuff up without intending to. Heck, I manage the office in our court system that deals with child custody and divorce.

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J-P. Scherrer said:

there's no comparison...

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That's where we disagree, my friend. For the type of stuff I like to do, the 5700 is the superior tool.

Member said:

I have a Fuji S2, so WILL I BE ABLE TO POST in the Nikon DSLR Forum ?

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Sure you will... but probably nobody will respond -lol. Have you considered trading for a d100?
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Tom Weber2 said:

You're right partner. Shoulda kept my thoughts to myself! But I'm
used to catching peoples' anger and stirring stuff up without
intending to. Heck, I manage the office in our court system that
deals with child custody and divorce.

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Aha! A lawyer. That explains everything.

Happy Christmas back atcha, Tom.



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Sure did. I said that I read it in the piece of my post you copied. I just think that it shouldn't be that way.

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In fact, all technical questions pertaining to dslrs should be there. If people are here, they are here to see photos people got with cameras like theirs--to inspire them to do the same. I haunt the Samples gallery, Canon 10D Forum, and Nikon SLR Forum. I go there to see what their up to, what they're capable of, and what is possible with different cameras. When I'm here on the NTF, I expect to see photos from Coolpixes. Not because I want to ostracize anyone, but because I "shouldn't" be able to match their quality and abilities. If I can, then I have to wonder if someone's dslr purchase was a mistake.

NTF is great, Nikon SLR Forum is great, Canon EOS-10D Forum is great, Samples & Galleries is great. People say they stay here because we're nicer. I've found nice people everywhere. I don't know folks. Maybe it's time to grow up. If you got big boy toys, play with the big boys.

If I ever get a dslr, I'll be posting somewhere where I'll be judged by my peers--people who have equivalent equipment. Not people who have lesser equipment.

We keep rehashing this over and over.

I think all the D100, D1, and S2 pics should be in the Samples and Galleries Forum or their respective forums. Someone with a 4300 is going to look at those dslr pics and wonder what's wrong with their camera.

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I can almost assure you they really didn't really "go" anywhere at all, if they like this place so much. So, did they go into lurk mode, or another great talk forum nobody else has heard about? I'm quite sure if you asked them to come back, and make their vote count, they would be more than happy to do so.

Sandra Jackson said:

Offtopic for me is extremely rare, in fact I don't remember any
other one other than that one, and considering the number of posts
about tripods, camera cases, even printing, all sorts of things
that have been found here, I didn't think anyone would mind just
one post. That is not what is up for discussion here. We are NOT
talking about "off topic" posts. Let's try to stick to the subject
at hand.

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Yes Sandi, but my response to YOUR post above WAS the "subject at hand" of my reply, you see? Just making a point is all.

Sandra Jackson said:

In all fairness, we've lost a lot of CP members due to this so it
won't be a fair vote. And if Phil did create the Lens forum in
spite of what the vote was, then I guess his word still stands for
something around here, and he has already dictated the purpose of
each forum.

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Ya, Phil's lens forum where everone goes that doesn't want their post to get noticed, right? Did you see The bear's post still hanging around NDSLR, (after an incredible 9 day run), to split up the forum again? Doesn't he realise that there's already a "Pro" forum. Again, one that's largely ignored by the majority of DSLR forum ppl.
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Uncle Frank said:

Uncle Frank said:

You're right partner. Shoulda kept my thoughts to myself! But I'm
used to catching peoples' anger and stirring stuff up without
intending to. Heck, I manage the office in our court system that
deals with child custody and divorce.

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Aha! A lawyer. That explains everything.

Happy Christmas back atcha, Tom.

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You know what they say about assumptions Frank! I'm a social worker

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