Photoshop CS worth the upgrade?

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I currently am using PS 6.0.1 and though I have been a PS user for years -- consider myself very much a rookie. It is the only photo editing software I use though - and for the minor re-touching and editing I do, I've come to be familiar with the few functions I use a lot..

I don't want to get it, and be saddled with a big huge over-bloated version if there aren't some compelling reasons to move up. I've seen the Adobe site, and understand some the differences (i think) but am concerned with them not being a huge benefit for me -- and then having a program which requires me to upgrade RAM, etc...

For those of you who have moved up from 6.0 or 7.0 -- would you recommend the upgrade?

Particulars:

I have a P4 2 Ghz 512 MB RAM

Thank you for your opinions...

-Joe
 
There are a lot of good features in CS such as the RAW converter, the shadow/highlite feature, the addtl filters etc, however, if you are just using photoshop for basic editing and are happy with 6.01 stay with 6.01. I upgraded specifically for the RAW feature.
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I generally only upgrade anything ONLY if there is a compelling reason. I see none with CS.

Raw converter is good but then I use Capture One for that.
Shadow/highlight is good but then I use Capture one for that.

In fact I see NO compelling reason if everything you have is working just fine right now. On the other hand there is of course the "New Toy" factor, which is not to be sniffed at :-)

MikeF
I currently am using PS 6.0.1 and though I have been a PS user for
years -- consider myself very much a rookie. It is the only photo
editing software I use though - and for the minor re-touching and
editing I do, I've come to be familiar with the few functions I use
a lot..

I don't want to get it, and be saddled with a big huge over-bloated
version if there aren't some compelling reasons to move up. I've
seen the Adobe site, and understand some the differences (i think)
but am concerned with them not being a huge benefit for me -- and
then having a program which requires me to upgrade RAM, etc...

For those of you who have moved up from 6.0 or 7.0 -- would you
recommend the upgrade?

Particulars:

I have a P4 2 Ghz 512 MB RAM

Thank you for your opinions...

-Joe
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dont know if this is a logical analysis, just the impressions ive received
advantages (to me)
fun to play with something new
16 bit image manipulation
that's about it

disadvantages
more trial and error learning (semi advantage though also)
slow to load
buggy?

have to find or download again and reinstall and reregister all my plugins and actions
refigure my color settings, etc
hope everythings works okay right away, which it never does.
im fine with PS7

feivel
 
Did version 6 have the healing brush?

If not, I would think that an upgrade to v7 or CS would be a HUGE benefit for that one feature alone.

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I currently am using PS 6.0.1 and though I have been a PS user for
years -- consider myself very much a rookie. It is the only photo
editing software I use though - and for the minor re-touching and
editing I do, I've come to be familiar with the few functions I use
a lot..

I don't want to get it, and be saddled with a big huge over-bloated
version if there aren't some compelling reasons to move up. I've
seen the Adobe site, and understand some the differences (i think)
but am concerned with them not being a huge benefit for me -- and
then having a program which requires me to upgrade RAM, etc...

For those of you who have moved up from 6.0 or 7.0 -- would you
recommend the upgrade?

Particulars:

I have a P4 2 Ghz 512 MB RAM

Thank you for your opinions...

-Joe
 
You say it buggy? Can you give some examples? Did it crash your
system? And just wat OS are your using?
QUOTE*

dont know if this is a logical analysis, just the impressions ive received............buggy?
UNQUOTE

I didnt say it was buggy. i said i have received the impression from others that it May be buggy (note the question mark)

there have been a number of posts here that it markedly slowed down their system or caused crashes and other problems

here's one still on page one: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=6878999

here's another: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=6621101

there were a bunch more, i dont know what the final resolution was in each case but it was enough to raise my level of trepidation!
feivel
 
Did version 6 have the healing brush?

If not, I would think that an upgrade to v7 or CS would be a HUGE
benefit for that one feature alone.
ps6 did not have the healing brush or patch tool but
it's not necessarily a huge benefit (may be for some, not so for others)

i used to consider it so, but have come to use those tools less and less the more experienced i become, i dont think i use the healing brush at all anymore, the patch tool rarely.
kent c, until his recent upgrade to cs did all his remarkable work with ps6

feivel
 
I currently am using PS 6.0.1 and though I have been a PS user for
years -- consider myself very much a rookie. It is the only photo
editing software I use though - and for the minor re-touching and
editing I do, I've come to be familiar with the few functions I use
a lot..
I am just a novice user, but from what I have read the upgrade from 6.0 to 7.0 was tremendous...file browser, healing brush, etc. and CS even improved on those features and added more. My first experience was with PSE 2 and that made me want PS 7, which I got and then months later got CS. There are many experienced users here and they work with PS so much that PS 6 is fine for them because they know what they are doing and can accomplish the same things using more advanced methods...but for us newbies or people who don't use the program as much these new tools can make it easier for a "casual user" to open the program and get good results using the new tools...the shadow/highlight for example.

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dont know if this is a logical analysis, just the impressions ive
received
advantages (to me)
fun to play with something new
16 bit image manipulation
that's about it

disadvantages
more trial and error learning (semi advantage though also)
slow to load
buggy?
have to find or download again and reinstall and reregister all my
plugins and actions
refigure my color settings, etc
hope everythings works okay right away, which it never does.
im fine with PS7

feivel
Feivel, I didn't have to reload any of my plug-ins, I just copied them from Photoshop 7 plugin folder to the Photoshop CS plug-in folder and they all work without a hitch.
 
.... There are many experienced users
here and they work with PS so much that PS 6 is fine for them
because they know what they are doing and can accomplish the same
things using more advanced methods...but for us newbies or people
who don't use the program as much these new tools can make it
easier for a "casual user" to open the program and get good results
using the new tools...the shadow/highlight for example.
How do experienced users that are using older versions of Photoshop achieve the same effect as

1. the CS Shadow/highlight tool

2. CS 16 bit selections/layers

And how do users of any version of Photoshop fix red eye with two clicks like you can with PS Elements?

Wayne Larmon
 
I can understand that.. I thought there might be known bugs that just arn't getting the fixes they need. I just wish CS would work with my OS (win 98). I've got all my little programs working just the way I want and a bunch of music stuff that I will have to replace if I go XP. I was thinking about Win2000 but folks up here tell of too many horror stories.

Thanks

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I can understand that.. I thought there might be known bugs that
just arn't getting the fixes they need. I just wish CS would work
with my OS (win 98). I've got all my little programs working just
the way I want and a bunch of music stuff that I will have to
replace if I go XP. I was thinking about Win2000 but folks up here
tell of too many horror stories.
iknow what you mean

i had win98 for many years, i liked it just fine, saw no reason to switch, blue screen here and there but tolerable.

but my 700mHz speed and ram limit of 512 was getting too small, ps took maybe 30 sec to open, neat image 4 minutes per pic (max res on 4 megapix image), etc. now i got a new camera at 6.3 megapix and i wanted to use it with raw 16bit, neat image was taking SIX minutes per pic, breeze browser almost 2 min to convert raw to tiff, per pic.

with some tasks in ps i had to wait a few-15 sec between each small brushstroke before i could apply the next one.

in order to get a new computer i had to go with xp, it IS somewhat better from a newbies perspective (i have no idea what's going on under the cover)

getting everything set up with a new computer WAS a very frustrating time consuming task, but im happy now! Ps takes about 7 sec to open (many times it opens in 3-4 sec, dont what causes the differential), neat image about 30 seconds for the biggest images i use.

feivel
 
The world can be divided into two parts. Those that love Photoshop and those who don't. (for whatever reasons).

If you are an existing PS user, especially PS 6 or earlier, then there is absolutely no question that CS is worth the price. IF you have ps7 it is still worthwhile as the healing brush is also improved (can use all layers). I think the upgrade from PS6 to PS7 was probably not uselful for most people, but with CS they have indeed come a long way. OTTOMH let me list some new features and advantages.

1. RAW convertor: Granted you could use C1LE or canon file viewer, but haven't you ever wished you could look at y our RAW images in the file browser too and not have to open another app? Well, you can do so now. It is also somewhat more intuitive and arguable equally good overall cf C1LE

2. File Browser: Much improved. You can tag images in so many ways, look at metadata, exif info, change it, add it, thumbnails can now fill the entire screen if you like, images can be sorted in any order, truly works like a light box, can be saved in any config under Workspace. BEST feature IMO, you can get it now to work in the background so that you can surf or use another app while PS builds up your thumbnails for you.

3. 16 bit support for all functions. If you have ever wanted to preserve image data with large files you will know that converting to 8 bit was the only way to use layers. No more. You can do whatever you want keeping the image in 16 bit mode.

4. Layer comps: This is more complicated but of immense value I think once you realize its true potential. i think this is one of the most amazing features in this program.

Other improvements that are not earth shattering but very useful are

Floating Histogram
Color matching
Photo filters on adjustment layers
Type on a path
Improved picture package and image ready
Scan multiple pics and crop and straighten them in a batch
Stack different filters at the same time
User defined keyboard shortcuts
Shadow-highlight adjustment

Plus many more that I have forgotten.

In short, if you like PS, there is no reason not to upgrade. If you are happy correcting red-eye in PS elements or similar program, you shouldn't bother. BTW, there are at least 5 diff ways to correct red eye in PS and all it takes is an action to define them. Then click once and presto!

Ah yes, BUGS!

Why is it that whenever something new and better comes along, there is this whole community of people who want nothing better than to point out the 'bugs' in it. Sure, any software with the size and scope of photoshop will always have glitches, but for what it does, it is indeed an incredible program. My life certainly has changed after I moved to PS from photosuite. Yours will too.....All it takes is the first step.

Pradeep

No, Adobe is not paying me to say this.
 
I currently am using PS 6.0.1 and though I have been a PS user for
years -- consider myself very much a rookie. It is the only photo
editing software I use though - and for the minor re-touching and
editing I do, I've come to be familiar with the few functions I use
a lot..

I don't want to get it, and be saddled with a big huge over-bloated
version if there aren't some compelling reasons to move up. I've
seen the Adobe site, and understand some the differences (i think)
but am concerned with them not being a huge benefit for me -- and
then having a program which requires me to upgrade RAM, etc...

For those of you who have moved up from 6.0 or 7.0 -- would you
recommend the upgrade?

Particulars:

I have a P4 2 Ghz 512 MB RAM

Thank you for your opinions...
Since I did upgrade from v6 to CS, I should probably comment. I'm running p4 2.2 1gig Ram, separate HD scratch disk.

I still have some 'speed problems' that I didn't have with v6, mainly on filters, which now loads the whole filter gallery on most filters. Defraging before entering PS helps.

I don't shoot in Raw, so that's not an issue for me, and so far, Capture One still seems to be the converter of choice. I also, haven't figured out the real need/use for the browser.

I am using the healing brush and see it's benefit vs. 'other methods'.

Probably the most used new feature is highlight/shawdows adjustment, and while I thought I was pretty good at that with v6 - mainly with curves, this feature makes it much easier and I like all the adjustments available under 'more options' - ie. the big dialog display. ie. I agree with Cory's comments, and Wayne's on the easier redeye fix.

I like being able to access the anisotropic filter that is in many of Mike Finn's new actions and while I tried various workarounds for it in v6, the new results are noticeable, from my view.

And feivel's "new toy" comment fits for me :-) Like to learn and tweak.

And some of the other new stuff I haven't even begun to explore enough to comment - the color adjustment tool being especially intriguing as it looks like it may be a 'selective color' type tool - that may render Bill R's blown sky fix obsolete for those with CS. :-)
I don't regret upgrading. Hope this helps make a decision one way or another.

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How do experienced users that are using older versions of Photoshop
achieve the same effect as

1. the CS Shadow/highlight tool
not sure how that tool works but there are many ways of dealing with opening shadows and bringing out highlights selectively, mainly using the claw (ctrl-alt-tilde) then applying screen or multiply, or with curves, various actions too
2. CS 16 bit selections/layers
i apply global corrections such as curves, sat, color balance during conversion of 16bit raw to tiff in capture-one, then many selective correctins that are usually done with a layer mask can be done in 16bit using the history brush.

THEN if i want to get fancy and replace backgrounds or such i will change to 8bit, i dont think i lose noticeable quality that way
And how do users of any version of Photoshop fix red eye with two
clicks like you can with PS Elements?
many fast ways such as 1 click (and hold) airbrush with burn

sometimes you have to get complicated and use selections and replace channels and such but for the difficult redeyes i dont know if the 2 click element fix will always work optimally either

feivel
 
4. Layer comps: This is more complicated but of immense value I
think once you realize its true potential. i think this is one of
the most amazing features in this program.
what are layer comps?
havent heard of this before

thanks

feivel
 
I'm still suffering with a bout of dontrocktheboat-ifitaintbrokedontfixit-itis
brought about by a 2 week new computer purgatory

i think as soon as the shakes subside and i get some of my strength back
ill be joining the CS crowd

feivel
 
I'm still suffering with a bout of
dontrocktheboat-ifitaintbrokedontfixit-itis
brought about by a 2 week new computer purgatory

i think as soon as the shakes subside and i get some of my strength
back
ill be joining the CS crowd

feivel
I hear you Feivel! Thing is, my mobo burnt out on me and while trying to fix it I fried my HD as well (LOL, I have built about two dozen computers for the office and home in the past few y ears !). So had to get a new gig, decided to upgrade to CS at the same time.

Layer Comps:

Imagine you have manipulated an image, adding background, inserting other pics type different color schemes, adjustments etc. Then you don't like it that much. What you do is put all your layers pertaining to this combo into a 'layer comp'. You then create an entirely new set of backgrounds/type/text/colors etc on a different set of layers, put them into another 'layer comp'. All you need to do then is to turn off or on one set of comps and you can switch between the different images. You don't need to save the file under different names or versions. haven't tried it myself, but if you design for other people, this would be a fantastic way to show off different versions of the same thing.

8 bit-16 bit, conversion in C1LE etc:

Feivel, the thing about working in layers is that you NEVER change your original pixels in image. This is an incredible feature if you think about it. Imagine you have done your RAW conversion and the color/contrast/sharpening adjustment in C1LE or under the 'Image'> adjustments> curves/levels etc. in PS. From here, there is NO GOING BACK! The history brush works in a limited way, but only while the file is still open. Once y ou save it, history IS history. What if you worked on an image only to realize later that your monitor was poorly calibrated or that the image does not match the print somehow or whatever, you can easily adjust the layers esp with the opacity slider. No way to do that once you are committed as with the other methods. I never use a permanent adjustment if I can help it.

Shadow-highlight etc:

There are always several ways to do the same thing in PS. That is why I love this program. You can find the easiest or most complicated way to do something and each time the results are slightly different. Red eye correction is a classic example. I think the shadow-highlight adjustment is great for a quick fix but there are other ways to do it too. Just like sharpening.

Do a search on my earlier posts on the one-click fixes in PS.

For Kent: Re speed issues.

See my post elsewhere on this forum about this. Except for the issue with the plug-ins from AutoFX, I have not noticed any particular problems. The program itself loads in under 10 seconds, it opens my 250MB layered file in 3 seconds. I will do some testing to see if it is slow with filters or not, but hey, even if it IS a tad slower than PS7, the features are worth the upgrade.

Pradeep
 
I'm still suffering with a bout of
dontrocktheboat-ifitaintbrokedontfixit-itis
brought about by a 2 week new computer purgatory
i think as soon as the shakes subside and i get some of my strength
back
ill be joining the CS crowd
Totally understand - hate when that happens. Wondering if it was just the bad hard drive and would you go with the same company on a new computer? Dude, you could have had a ... etc.. :-)

As far as CS goes, obviously it wouldn't be as big a jump than for v6 or earlier (insert 'duh' here :) but if there is anyone who could exploit the new tools, you'd be a prime candidate.

While I understand and agree with what you say in the other note about shadows and highlights, I can't see you not liking this option. I find the 'color correction and midtone' sliders in this adjustment convenient after the shadow fix. Something that one could do in curves if you go to each individual color, rather than master, (or selective color/color balance/hue/sat etc.), but it seems so much easier and it is set up somewhat like usm where you have the three sliders for shadows and highlights - on highlights you aren't going to fix true blowouts, but you can lessen the glare when there is some info there without making a selection. It isn't fool proof - ie. you still can posterize and go out of gamut, so to speak, as you may have seen on some of the fixes - same as too much curve in Curves. This may be just me, but it doesn't seem As noisy a fix as some other methods, but haven't read anything that would substantiate that.
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