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I've enjoyed my 10D and equipment for months now and while the majority of folks here can understand my love and respect for the camera and technology as it stands today, many still do not.

Not all folks here are pros or even print larger than 8x10. Many are like me that have a great camera and print at 4x6 most of the time, and use 5x7 and 8x10's for around the house vs selling them or using them for other than anything but personal use.

So I decided to show the power of a 10D at ISO 3200 as a quick reminder that the 10D and little brother 300D offer a lot to those that can appreciate the power of digital.

The setting was simple....my son, sleeping in a 3 speed swing set to level#2 in the dim light of a window on a cold, cloudy day. Yes, he was in motion when the AI Servo focus captured him.

I used a 35mm f2 lens and Auto White Balance. I did use the latest Neat Image 3.0 Pro+ with Photoshop 7 to clean up the image just a bit. I copied the NI results to a seperate layer at 45% as to reduce the effects and allow just enough grain/noise to show through for realism and sharpness. Nik Color Efex has a nice Skylight filter that brought back some warmth lost to the AWB setting of the 10D in this image.

I printed a 4x6 and a 5x7 on Ilford Classic Pearl with my S900 and the results are stunning. The only hint of digital noise, and just a hint mind you, can be seen on the prints, is in my son's face and the far left side of his blanket. The overall results to me are great. The power of today's digital cameras is so much fun and will bring tons of joy to those that are considering it.

I didn't intend this post to be an advertisement, but rather just a supporting post to those that are wondering if the 10D or 300D is right for them. If your needs come close or what you are looking to use it for seems like it's perhaps in line with my galleries and everyday life of a fun hobby, then the answer is yes. Keep in mind too that this image is by no means perfect, it wasn't staged with lights or backgrounds or anything other than me holding the camera and using the highest ISO possible to make a simple point....even the extremes of the 10D are superb.

Take it for what my post is worth...just a simple example from a simple amature enjoying a quite Saturday in front of a fire with his 6 month old son, playing happily while mom is off to enjoy a day out with friends.

Take the plunge and enjoy whatever camera you choose. Just remember that it's up to you, not others to make the most of whatever it is you decide to capture memories with. Enjoy!

Web Sized Image:
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Full Size View:
http://www.pbase.com/image/23922406/original

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-tim

Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 
Keep one thing in mind new purchaser. You are going to keep this camera ... or give it away when you want to move up. It's just my opinion but I do not believe there will be ANY market for the 10D used. I would NEVER buy one used unless I could extensively test it and or had an iron-clad guarantee of it's reliability. This is not something one usually gets on e-bay.

So ... $1500 or thereabouts is going to leave your picket with no chance of partially coming back. This having been said: I love my 10D and WILL keep it forever. It will be my backup body for the 3D or whatever that comes out next. If I did not presently own the 10D I would wait ... unless I had a pressing 'need' for a 6mp camera ... Right Now.

This is in contrast to nearly every semi-pro film camera I've ever owned. It's no ones fault really (well maybe a little) ... just the exegencies of digital capture .... and Canon's decision to use a sub-par focus system in the 10D.
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Too many cameras ... not nearly enough photography.
 
1st - nice pic, very well done.

2nd - I notice from the exif that you used 1/250 sec shutter speed. My guess is that you could have frozen the motion with 1/125 or 1/60 which would give you more light and possibly allow shooting at ISO 1600 or even 800.

I've had good luck shooting low light photos and then using curves to lighten up the dark spots. This seems to work better for me than dealing with noise in the original shot. I routinely am forced to use a shutter speed/aperature combo that is "underexposed" according to the meter. Big deal - an underexposed photo is better than no photo at all. Concerts, museums, candids, and sleeping children - all subjects that don't allow flash. See Boo's tutorial on low light photos - it taught me a lot.

Thus my suggestion is to bracket, bracket, bracket.

3rd - As the father of 5 kids I can tell you that a battery powered swing is worth it's weight in gold.
 
Scott Fleming said:
Keep one thing in mind new purchaser. You are going to keep this
camera ... or give it away when you want to move up. It's just my
opinion but I do not believe there will be ANY market for the 10D
used. I would NEVER buy one used unless I could extensively test
it and or had an iron-clad guarantee of it's reliability. This is
not something one usually gets on e-bay.
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Actually, Scott, you might be a bit right about this. Except the part
about the "ANY".

I live in a large city, so "selling locally" might be easy. Or even, quite
franky, I wouldn't mind travelling a bit, here in France.

I can easily imagine myself travelling down to the south of France,
filling up a few CF cards, and then meeting up with a person that
is thinking about maybe buying my 10D.

Getting out the rulers, and testing the camera to the maximum, that
would take a few hours. But a half hour of testing could probably
satisfy somebody that there aren't any major problems.

My point is, testing a digital camera really isn't that hard. Especially
if they already have a CF card reader installed.

But I don't disagree entirely with what you are saying. The camera
may have a somewhat varied reputation among people that would
be interested in spending that much money for a digital camera.
 
here's an ISO 800 with slower shutter speeds. no quite as sharp. given the smoothness though, it's definitely a nicer image. both printed great. I left the curves in this one alone. Thus it's a little darker overall.

and yes....the swing is Nicholas's favorite place to nap during the day. he's in it again now ;)

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http://www.pbase.com/image/23925318

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http://www.pbase.com/image/23925317
Jim Coffey said:
1st - nice pic, very well done.

2nd - I notice from the exif that you used 1/250 sec shutter speed.
My guess is that you could have frozen the motion with 1/125 or
1/60 which would give you more light and possibly allow shooting at
ISO 1600 or even 800.

I've had good luck shooting low light photos and then using curves
to lighten up the dark spots. This seems to work better for me
than dealing with noise in the original shot. I routinely am
forced to use a shutter speed/aperature combo that is
"underexposed" according to the meter. Big deal - an underexposed
photo is better than no photo at all. Concerts, museums, candids,
and sleeping children - all subjects that don't allow flash. See
Boo's tutorial on low light photos - it taught me a lot.

Thus my suggestion is to bracket, bracket, bracket.

3rd - As the father of 5 kids I can tell you that a battery powered
swing is worth it's weight in gold.
Click to expand...
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-tim

Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 
3200 and 800 are equally sharp. But 800 look much much better.

Yes, I examined 100% detail.
Tim Lauro said:
and yes....the swing is Nicholas's favorite place to nap during the
day. he's in it again now ;)

Web Size:
http://www.pbase.com/image/23925318

Full Size:
http://www.pbase.com/image/23925317
Jim Coffey said:
1st - nice pic, very well done.

2nd - I notice from the exif that you used 1/250 sec shutter speed.
My guess is that you could have frozen the motion with 1/125 or
1/60 which would give you more light and possibly allow shooting at
ISO 1600 or even 800.

I've had good luck shooting low light photos and then using curves
to lighten up the dark spots. This seems to work better for me
than dealing with noise in the original shot. I routinely am
forced to use a shutter speed/aperature combo that is
"underexposed" according to the meter. Big deal - an underexposed
photo is better than no photo at all. Concerts, museums, candids,
and sleeping children - all subjects that don't allow flash. See
Boo's tutorial on low light photos - it taught me a lot.

Thus my suggestion is to bracket, bracket, bracket.

3rd - As the father of 5 kids I can tell you that a battery powered
swing is worth it's weight in gold.
Click to expand...
--
-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 35mm f2,
Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
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Once the next camera goes live, it is a good used alternative to the 300D. So it will command a premium on eBay, like the D60 still does when it sells (anywhere form $700 to $1000)...

This will continue until the next camera technology comes out and it will devalue again. Witness the D60, D30, etc...

Frankly, I don't care. I got my use out of the camera. You buy a Pentax med-format SLR and you will sell it for what the market will bear. So will the 10D. You can still get D30s for 500 bucks. At least it will offset the price of new equipment if and when I do sell it.

I really think the only people complaining about the 10D performance are those who frequent these forums. There is still a large number of people out there that would kill for a camera like this.

Ken
Scott Fleming said:
To see the exact same shot made and processed the same way but
taken with the 35mm f1.4. %-)

I suppose many would not think much of your shot if they did not
appreciate that you made it at iso 3200. Personally I find it
amazing.

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http://www.pbase.com/sfleming

Too many cameras ... not nearly enough photography.
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Ken Rimple
Newtown Square, PA
Portfolio: http://www.rimple.com/albums/portfolio/
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