Capturing more of what the eyes see on landscapes

Not much wrong with the first one. If you are expecting more drama you could try adding saturation and contrast.

The second one has obvious camera shake.

The last one likely is suffering from a minor amount of camera shake as well. I doubt it's the selected aperture but you could try going back one or two stops, but you do want to make sure the grasses are in focus. For more drama adjusting saturation and contrast could help.

Typically lenses hit maximum sharpness when stopped down two to three stops. Even a lens that is designed to be sharp wideopen is usually sharper when stopped down a bit.

Sometimes reality does not transfer well to a photograph and there is nothing you can do about it. Sometimes a photograph goes well beyond reality. Just keep experimenting.
 
Got it . so these crop sensors really benefit for landscapes or anything where you want a large depth of field you don’t need some max out the aperture too small ?
No, in terms of landscapes, there's no benefits against a full frame sensor, contrary to the popular belief - providing the lenses give you the same angle of view.

You can get some extremely large DoF unreachable on a full frame but it's pointless because of the diffraction. Otherwise you can always get the same or better image quality with a larger sensor.
In theory yes, but practice can be a different story. You can usually get the same image quality but not always better depending on circumstance. I take photos almost daily when I go for a walk of between 2 to 3 hours. Yesterday morning I took the photo below: I was able to maximize sensor exposure and pull off a hand-held shot at f/3.6 and 1/50th sec. I bracketed five frames for camera shake and got one. I can't do a slower shutter speed no matter what tech is in the camera and my Olympus is renowned for it's IBIS.

To take the same photo with a FF camera and match the DOF the FF camera lens would have to be stopped down to f/7.1. That two stop exposure reduction would have to be compensated for and slowing the shutter is not an option for me -- in the shot below I was at my limit. I am physically incapable of carrying a tripod and must rely on hand-holding so yes this is circumstantial but no less real. I also can't carry either of my two FF cameras when I walk which both weigh pounds more than my little PenLite.

So yes, you can always in theory stop down the FF camera to match the DOF and get equal or better quality but to do that you may require a tripod. If the tripod is taken away from you (a venue that doesn't allow them, or my situation, or a moving subject that won't tolerate the slower shutter speed) then the FF camera's advantage can be taken away as well.

I never know what I'm going to find to photograph on my walks, but I must do so hand-held and carrying the PenLite gives me the best chance of getting a good quality image in the widest possible range of conditions. That two stop DOF difference is a two stop shutter speed advantage when hand-holding. I'd be worse off with a FF camera not necessarily able to do any better but still forced to carry the extra weight.

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But I guess suffer more in low light or portraits because my f/0.95 is really a 1.9 ?
No, your f/0.95 is f/0.95. It's 'equivalent' to f/1.9 on a full frame but this 'equivalence' has a special meaning. https://dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care

Smaller sensor gather less total light from the same exposure, so they generally produce more noise.
 
Got it . so these crop sensors really benefit for landscapes or anything where you want a large depth of field you don’t need some max out the aperture too small ?
No, in terms of landscapes, there's no benefits against a full frame sensor, contrary to the popular belief - providing the lenses give you the same angle of view.

You can get some extremely large DoF unreachable on a full frame but it's pointless because of the diffraction. Otherwise you can always get the same or better image quality with a larger sensor.
In theory yes, but practice can be a different story. You can usually get the same image quality but not always better depending on circumstance. I take photos almost daily when I go for a walk of between 2 to 3 hours. Yesterday morning I took the photo below: I was able to maximize sensor exposure and pull off a hand-held shot at f/3.6 and 1/50th sec. I bracketed five frames for camera shake and got one. I can't do a slower shutter speed no matter what tech is in the camera and my Olympus is renowned for it's IBIS.

To take the same photo with a FF camera and match the DOF the FF camera lens would have to be stopped down to f/7.1.
Math is simple. For example:

M4/3: f3.6, 1/50s ISO400

FF: f7.1 1/50s ISO1600

You will get very similar image quality from both formats. Doesn't matter which format you use. If you have very shaky hands, superior stabilisation can help. Olympus was allways great but other manufacturers closing the gap already.
That two stop exposure reduction would have to be compensated for and slowing the shutter is not an option for me -- in the shot below I was at my limit. I am physically incapable of carrying a tripod and must rely on hand-holding so yes this is circumstantial but no less real. I also can't carry either of my two FF cameras when I walk which both weigh pounds more than my little PenLite.

So yes, you can always in theory stop down the FF camera to match the DOF and get equal or better quality but to do that you may require a tripod. If the tripod is taken away from you (a venue that doesn't allow them, or my situation, or a moving subject that won't tolerate the slower shutter speed) then the FF camera's advantage can be taken away as well.

I never know what I'm going to find to photograph on my walks, but I must do so hand-held and carrying the PenLite gives me the best chance of getting a good quality image in the widest possible range of conditions. That two stop DOF difference is a two stop shutter speed advantage when hand-holding. I'd be worse off with a FF camera not necessarily able to do any better but still forced to carry the extra weight.

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But I guess suffer more in low light or portraits because my f/0.95 is really a 1.9 ?
No, your f/0.95 is f/0.95. It's 'equivalent' to f/1.9 on a full frame but this 'equivalence' has a special meaning. https://dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care

Smaller sensor gather less total light from the same exposure, so they generally produce more noise.
 
Got it . so these crop sensors really benefit for landscapes or anything where you want a large depth of field you don’t need some max out the aperture too small ?
No, in terms of landscapes, there's no benefits against a full frame sensor, contrary to the popular belief - providing the lenses give you the same angle of view.

You can get some extremely large DoF unreachable on a full frame but it's pointless because of the diffraction. Otherwise you can always get the same or better image quality with a larger sensor.
In theory yes, but practice can be a different story. You can usually get the same image quality but not always better depending on circumstance. I take photos almost daily when I go for a walk of between 2 to 3 hours. Yesterday morning I took the photo below: I was able to maximize sensor exposure and pull off a hand-held shot at f/3.6 and 1/50th sec. I bracketed five frames for camera shake and got one. I can't do a slower shutter speed no matter what tech is in the camera and my Olympus is renowned for it's IBIS.

To take the same photo with a FF camera and match the DOF the FF camera lens would have to be stopped down to f/7.1.
Math is simple. For example:

M4/3: f3.6, 1/50s ISO400

FF: f7.1 1/50s ISO1600

You will get very similar image quality from both formats.
That's what I said, similar but not better.
Doesn't matter which format you use.
Except in my case I have to carry the weight difference and it's substantial and that does matter especially if I'm not getting anything for it.
If you have very shaky hands, superior stabilisation can help. Olympus was allways great but other manufacturers closing the gap already.
That two stop exposure reduction would have to be compensated for and slowing the shutter is not an option for me -- in the shot below I was at my limit. I am physically incapable of carrying a tripod and must rely on hand-holding so yes this is circumstantial but no less real. I also can't carry either of my two FF cameras when I walk which both weigh pounds more than my little PenLite.

So yes, you can always in theory stop down the FF camera to match the DOF and get equal or better quality but to do that you may require a tripod. If the tripod is taken away from you (a venue that doesn't allow them, or my situation, or a moving subject that won't tolerate the slower shutter speed) then the FF camera's advantage can be taken away as well.

I never know what I'm going to find to photograph on my walks, but I must do so hand-held and carrying the PenLite gives me the best chance of getting a good quality image in the widest possible range of conditions. That two stop DOF difference is a two stop shutter speed advantage when hand-holding. I'd be worse off with a FF camera not necessarily able to do any better but still forced to carry the extra weight.

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But I guess suffer more in low light or portraits because my f/0.95 is really a 1.9 ?
No, your f/0.95 is f/0.95. It's 'equivalent' to f/1.9 on a full frame but this 'equivalence' has a special meaning. https://dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care

Smaller sensor gather less total light from the same exposure, so they generally produce more noise.
 
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You have some interesting subjects to work with. Definitely worth putting in some time.

As others said, your main problem seems to be motion blur.

the 2nd shows definite camera shake -- note the double imaging of high contrast edges in the buildings. The 3rd, IMO, also shows motion, either camera shake or the grass was moving in the breeze.

The first is decent, but I'm thinking that lens should be able to do better. It may be your focus point is too close to the camera.

Get your shutter speed up. With your GX7 you should be able to use ISO up to 400, maybe 800. Try to stay at or above 1/200.

You should test your lenses for best aperture. Get a solid tripod and find a good, stable target like a building with sharp architectural features. Use the timer or a remote release. You should determine sharpest aperture and your best compromise between sharpness and depth of field. Test at something like your normal working distance. You may want to test at near and far distance. If you have a zoom you need to test at two or three settings of zoom range.

Once you know what your camera can do, test yourself. If you want to work hand held check to see how close in sharpness you can come to your tripod shots. If you want to do hand held work on your technique. As I suggested above, look up pistol shooting technique for some good ideas.

Bonus tip: If you're doing hand held try using burst mode to do sets of about 5 shots. For most people most of the time the second or third shot will be sharper than the first.

Practice.

Gato
 
I thought I needed a smaller aperture to get the detail in the background/long distance. I will try with the wider aperture suggest by you both thank you.
That would be the case if you were using a pin-hole camera, but since you actually have a lens attached to the camera, it’s best that you work within the parameters of that arrangement.

It’s common for lenses to have the best performance around f/4, and that is the case with your camera. There are ways that you can calculate the expected “Depth of Field” by plugging the numbers (camera sensor size, focal length, aperture, distance) into a program called DoFmaster.

Generally speaking, wide angle lenses are your friend for extended depth of field.

See parameters by mousing over, and note that the boat is quite close to the camera (full frame here).

See parameters by mousing over, and note that the boat is quite close to the camera (full frame here).
 
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Diffraction is the catch-22 when it comes to depth of field, be it landscape or macro. You'll start noticing loss in detail (pixel peeping) due to diffraction at f10-11 full frame equivalent, which will be half that number (say, f5.6) on micro 4/3 because of the 2x crop factor. It's tempting to decrease the aperture smaller than that to make more of the image in focus, but you have to accept a corresponding decrease in fine detail.

Does your camera support focus bracketing? If so, you can take several photos in succession with the focus point at different distances, then stack them together later in software. You can do this manually as well, of course, it's just easier if the camera has this function built-in. With focus stacking you can shoot at wider apertures for more light (and faster shutter speeds) to avoid diffraction, and also get more detail because of more consistent focus. It doesn't work as well if there's a lot of motion though, such as grass or branches/leaves blowing around.

I've read that for single focus landscapes like the ones you're taking, it's best to focus about 1/3 the distance, but I'm guessing that isn't always the case because there might be a subject in your composition you'd prefer to focus on.

As for editing, I'd suggest trying some free presets. It's rare that you'd actually find one that you like without making your own adjustments, but they can be a good tool to use as starting points with settings you might not have thought to try on your own. Often all I do is use the "auto" adjustment in LR and then tweak the color temperature just a tad, as even tiny adjustments in color temp can make the difference between "not quite right" and "wow, that's much better".
 
Here's a couple of samples, they look a bit better than on the camera screen but still don't capture the shape and texture of the area as it feels when walking in it. I 3experimented with lens from 9mm through to 100m and widened the aperture as advised.

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No real comment other than to say I really like these. The first reminds me of my time in the UK.
At some point, there will be limitations when presenting a compelling 3D landscape as a two dimensional image on a medium (paper or screen) that is characterized by its own limitations.



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While they look nice to the eye, photos look quite flat I guess because everything is in the mid tones / geeen light brown and the shapes and textures you can see with the naked eye are not coming through.
I'm still not sure what you are trying to achieve, even after looking at your examples.

Do you have any examples of what you are going for taken by someone else?

I was actually thinking of switching to fine JPEG so that I can switch on HDR ?
Have you tried a polarizer?
 
I did a quick edit in DxO Photolab 8. It works better for me with raw files, instead of this downloaded jpg that DPR compresses quite a bit. Editing raw files, I have way more control and there's a wider range of good changes. Raw edits are easier!

I usually want a similar edit for many of my photos, even though my Z6 iii makes good jpgs straight out of the camera. The improvements in the raw editing are better.

Your original:

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My informal edit for enhanced contrast.

I changed: color, contrast, micro contrast for details, tone curve, slightly lowered color saturation. DxO's Smart Lighting tool that improves dynamic range. Then the sky was a little too dark, so I did a graduated filter (which I rarely use) to brighten the sky and the treeline a little.

I like the brighter grasses in the foreground, and some more color in the tree line. The increased contrast gives the rolling hills better separation via the brighter hill edges.

This edit is kind of the opposite of what HDR does. An HDR version would lighten the dark tree areas, and pull more detail out of the brightest clouds. That's not necessarily better. And it could "flatten" the scene, I think?

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A 4K screenshot of the two side-by-side, zoomed to 50%. Click "Original image" to see it in full size.

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Here's a couple of samples, they look a bit better than on the camera screen but still don't capture the shape and texture of the area as it feels when walking in it. I 3experimented with lens from 9mm through to 100m and widened the aperture as advised.

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In terms of the technical image quality, the image above is the best. It looks a bit flat, also may need to be brightened up a bit.

Other two images have significant blur, which I believe is a combination of extreme diffraction and motion blur. f/11 and f/16 with the m4/3 sensor are too narrow, not only you get extreme diffraction, you're also forced to use slower shutter speed which increases the chances of the motion blur.

Stick to the f-numbers around f/4 - f/5 (for landscapes) and try to not go higher than f/5.6 in order to avoid diffraction. The wider you shoot, the lower f-number you need to keep the wide depth of field.

Another note - your sensor may need some cleaning because of the sensor dust (which also is very prominent with those extremely narrow apertures).
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I was thinking about doing this too.

You've done a good job with the land part but you've totally lost the dramatic sky. This is something the ACR neutral density filter could probably handle.

Will be interesting to hear if the OP is open to options.
 
There are two main sets of problems, small scale and large scale. Small scale problems are image issues that are only particularly noticeable when viewing an image magnified, while large scale problems are bigger can can be seen when viewing an image whole and entire.

Common small scale problems include misfocus, camera shake, and diffraction softening.
The focus point on the above photo appears to be right in front of the camera. While a huge depth of field due to a tight aperture helps with making the whole scene fairly sharp, that's usually not the best way of going about it thanks to diffraction softening. Typically you'll want to focus on the most important, most eye-catching object in the scene, which here I would guess is the front cow or somewhere in the middle of the group of cows.

The amount of diffraction blurring on the sensor is the same on all cameras and all lenses at the same f/stop. However, this size of this blur on the sensor will take up a larger percentage of the image width on smaller sensors; so you can get away with larger f/stop values on bigger sensors than smaller, and the largest acceptable f/stop is directly proportional to the sensor width.

Using f/11 on full frame is often acceptable, and as Micro 4/3rds is half the width of full frame, half of f/11 or approximately f/5.6 is the largest acceptable f/stop on Micro 4/3rds by the same standard. Back in the old days, Ansel Adams and his friends used f/64, but they used huge large format cameras, and they got roughly the same depth of field as f/4.5 on your camera.

As others mentioned multiple times, with Micro 4/3rds cameras, you probably won't want to stop down below about f/5.6, though sharpening can be used judiciously to crispen detail, if the photo is otherwise good, and does not have other defects such as camera shake.
It's hard to tell where the focus point is on the above photo, but there is so much camera shake here that it's hard to distinguish the camera shake from misfocus and diffraction softening. The obvious subject to focus on in this photo is the building. and because there is nothing of interest close to the camera, a much wider aperture like f/4 or f/5.6 would work well, and the background will appear sharp as well.
In the above photo it is again difficult to discern where the focus point may be, but it does appear to be unreasonably close. This image also has diffraction softening and perhaps some camera shake.

Look up "depth of field" for more details on this important photography topic. Here is a rather complicated article, but it does cover everything important in great detail:


As a general rule of thumb, the farther out your subject and focus point is from your camera, the deeper the depth of field you'll get any any given f/stop. If you focus on infinity, then all distant objects will be sharp, and the question becomes how much foreground detail do you want sharp? Is the foreground detail as important as the background? But the biggest rule of thumb is to focus on the most important object in the scene in most cases.

Improving sharpness via good focus, avoiding diffraction, and avoiding camera shake will indeed help you get closer to your visual impression of the scene, but only up to a point. If you get all of this right, then you can add some sharpening as well, either in-camera or on the computer during editing.

It may be best to look for large scale corrections, those which effect the entire image.

One technical trick used to bring out texture is an editing control called "Texture" or "Details". Some cameras have this control built-in if you shoot JPEG. This is similar to sharpening, but it enhances details on a larger scale. It looks great when used lightly, and turns the image into an ugly, dirty mess if used liberally.

Increasing Contrast and Saturation slightly can bring out details in the mid-tones. In editing apps, the curve tool can be used to increase contrast in specific range of tones. But this is also best used lightly; the colors and contrast in your photos are already beyond what's natural.

It might be better to choose a different time of day for shooting. A low sun angle can bring out more textures on the ground; but note that in the first photo, the sun is indeed fairly low, but the angle the ground makes is towards the sun, which reduces this effect. You'll get a maximal effect if the sun is raking sharply along the slopes of the hills.

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Here are alternatives for post processing. I shot Kodachrome and Velvia 50 almost exclusively for over twenty years hence my love of saturation. If you find this too much, you can dial it back somewhere between the two.

I removed some of the blue from the clouds, brought up the shadows, increased contrast, brought up the saturation, and used the ACR Graduated Filter to maintain the darkness of the clouds.

The last two images have been cropped to bring more attention to the subject matter.

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I tried to show alternative post processing but I guess the moderator didn't approve.

When I opened your images in ACR I realized how flat they are. For the first and last images in ACR I brought up the shadows, increased exposure, increased the whites, darkened the blacks, and increased saturation. I used the ACR Graduated Filter to maintain the darkness of the clouds and to remove some blue from the clouds. Then in Photoshop I increased saturation and increased exposure and darkened the darks. When I increased saturation of all colours, I went back in and removed the saturation change in the blues and cyans to keep the clouds grey as opposed to blue.

Perhaps this gives the OP an idea of what can be done in post processing to bring up details and colours.
 
For lowlight it is still an f0.95 lens, allowing you to set ISO and shutter speed, based on that aperture. In doing so for portraits you appear to have the greater depth of field compared to full frame.
ISO is mostly irrelevant when comparing formats. About the greater DOF - yes which just means that it is f/1.9 equivalent, as simple as that.
 
No. ISO is extremely important, the lower the better. So it is very confusing when people say an f0.95 lens is all of a sudden an f1.9 lens.

So, it's an f0.95 lens when selecting exposure settings, but an f1.9 lens after the image is made.

I care more about getting the shot than what the depth of field is going to look like. If I set the lens wideopen I know I am getting the thinnest depth of field possible with that lens.
 
No. ISO is extremely important, the lower the better.
Actually, with the same light, the higher the better as long as there is no clipping. Among formats, it is pretty much irrelevant.
So it is very confusing when people say an f0.95 lens is all of a sudden an f1.9 lens.
I did not say that.
So, it's an f0.95 lens when selecting exposure settings, but an f1.9 lens after the image is made.
No, it is an f/0.95 lens acting as an f/1.9 lens on FF. BTW, those tiny pixels hardly see that extra light from the wide aperture but this is another conversation. Next, comparing formats by exposure is meaningless.
 
Bizarre response. Even ISO 1600 is far far worse than ISO 100. Just check the dpreview.com camera resolution tests for any camera, any format. Even the best noise reduction software can't make up the difference.

Correct exposure is essentially identical across all formats. Lenses, if mountable, can be used across all formats. So the same aperture, shutter speed, and ISO provides the same exposure across all formats. Having used 35mm, 6x6, 4x5, films, and APS-C, and FF cameras I can attest to this fact. It is how the photography industry is based. Yes, the depth of field achieved with a particular lens varies from format to format but that is independent of the settings to achieve correct exposure.

The confusion introduced in these matters for new photographers is a shame.
 
Bizarre response. Even ISO 1600 is far far worse than ISO 100. Just check the dpreview.com camera resolution tests for any camera, any format. Even the best noise reduction software can't make up the difference.
...with the same light
Correct exposure is essentially identical across all formats. Lenses, if mountable, can be used across all formats. So the same aperture, shutter speed, and ISO provides the same exposure across all formats. Having used 35mm, 6x6, 4x5, films, and APS-C, and FF cameras I can attest to this fact. It is how the photography industry is based. Yes, the depth of field achieved with a particular lens varies from format to format but that is independent of the settings to achieve correct exposure.

The confusion introduced in these matters for new photographers is a shame.
The "same exposure" is a meaningless concept when comparing formats. The "correct exposure" among formats - too. "Same ISO" is meaningless, as well. Better to think about equivalent ISOs than the same ones.
 

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