Who said we can’t print big!!

So we moved house last year and finally got ourselves a couple of decent 4K TVs. We installed a 55” Hisense QLED in our family room area at the back of the house. For some reason I’d never thought to add my favourite shots to a flash drive and display them…. Until now.

Apologies for the phone shots but I wanted to show them being displayed and the detail retained with even my paultry 24mp APS-C sensor. These are well over 1m wide so I’d have no qualms about printing them this large after seeing this.







And some close up snaps of the detail, well below normal viewing distance.

















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Stu-C

But 4K isn't that many pixels. The TV does a good interpolation to downsize your photo to 4K.

Alan

Alan Sh said:

But 4K isn't that many pixels. The TV does a good interpolation to downsize your photo to 4K.

Alan

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Surely that’s an advantage then? If it looks this good on the TV then it’ll be even better in print at 300dpi.

DJ STU-C said:

Alan Sh said:

But 4K isn't that many pixels. The TV does a good interpolation to downsize your photo to 4K.

Alan

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Surely that’s an advantage then? If it looks this good on the TV then it’ll be even better in print at 300dpi.

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Yes, it most probably will. 24MP is more than enough to produce high-quality images of considerable size.

MrAndreas said:

DJ STU-C said:

Alan Sh said:

But 4K isn't that many pixels. The TV does a good interpolation to downsize your photo to 4K.

Alan

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Surely that’s an advantage then? If it looks this good on the TV then it’ll be even better in print at 300dpi.

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Yes, it most probably will. 24MP is more than enough to produce high-quality images of considerable size.

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Fully agree with that statement, unfortunately there is often a lot of misinformation around the print size on small sensors, despite loads of examples of people printing very large prints.

DJ STU-C said:

MrAndreas said:

DJ STU-C said:

Alan Sh said:

But 4K isn't that many pixels. The TV does a good interpolation to downsize your photo to 4K.

Alan

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Surely that’s an advantage then? If it looks this good on the TV then it’ll be even better in print at 300dpi.

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Yes, it most probably will. 24MP is more than enough to produce high-quality images of considerable size.

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Fully agree with that statement, unfortunately there is often a lot of misinformation around the print size on small sensors,

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Who said that the Fuji X sensor is "small"?

Its dimensions are very close to the size of the 35mm cinematic film frame. Let me remind you that the whole of mankind had been watching those classic movies in this frame size for decades on big white screens. And those were the times when 50 LP/mm lens resolution was considered excellent.

DJ STU-C said:

despite loads of examples of people printing very large prints.

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I often pass my photographic assignments to customers on a USB flash drive so they can archive the photos on disks and watch the pictures as a slideshow on their home TVs later. Everyone is happy with 24MP as soon as the images are good. 4k TV is ~8MP only, after all.

40MP sensor has its advantages, I agree. But 40MP vs 24MP (or 26MP, no matter) is a tradeoff, as always. To whom what, however, for the APS-C sensor size, I am at the 24-26MP side. For 40MP, I have the S1R (47MP) with a photo frame 24x36mm sensor.

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DJ STU-C said:

Alan Sh said:

But 4K isn't that many pixels. The TV does a good interpolation to downsize your photo to 4K.

Alan

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Surely that’s an advantage then? If it looks this good on the TV then it’ll be even better in print at 300dpi.

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All I meant was that 24mp was plenty for a 4K TV. Yes, 24 or 26mp can do large prints. I've done A1 sized ones from less than that and it looks great when framed and on a wall.

Alan

BTW, am I the only one who feels the TV is oversharpening the picture? Look at the halos on the crops. I believe this is somewhere inside the TV settings menu. Did you try inspecting the display settings and playing with them to improve your viewing experience?

By default, TVs usually come with "punchy" preset view modes, so their picture looks fancier and punchier when displayed in the showroom. But you bring it home then.

MrAndreas said:

BTW, am I the only one who feels the TV is oversharpening the picture? Look at the halos on the crops. I believe this is somewhere inside the TV settings menu. Did you try inspecting the display settings and playing with them to improve your viewing experience?

By default, TVs usually come with "punchy" preset view modes, so their picture looks fancier and punchier when displayed in the showroom. But you bring it home then.

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It wasn’t really that scientific tbh, I just plugged the USB in and put it on cycle picture mode. Probably not the best idea to be using my poorly composed iPhone 11 shots of the screen to judge if it’s over sharpening or not I would say.

They look fantastic at normal viewing distance with your eyes.

The point of the thread was to show that even at over 1m wide there is still plenty of detail there.

The TV is used for watching Footy and playing on my Xbox on occasion.

MrAndreas said:

DJ STU-C said:

MrAndreas said:

DJ STU-C said:

Alan Sh said:

But 4K isn't that many pixels. The TV does a good interpolation to downsize your photo to 4K.

Alan

Click to expand...

Surely that’s an advantage then? If it looks this good on the TV then it’ll be even better in print at 300dpi.

Click to expand...

Yes, it most probably will. 24MP is more than enough to produce high-quality images of considerable size.

Click to expand...

Fully agree with that statement, unfortunately there is often a lot of misinformation around the print size on small sensors,

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Who said that the Fuji X sensor is "small"?

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You can’t tell me you haven’t seen this being parroted all over the place? It’s literally a topic on every single piece of media about APS-C sensors on the internet.

I don’t agree with it, but it’s there.

MrAndreas said:

Its dimensions are very close to the size of the 35mm cinematic film frame. Let me remind you that the whole of mankind had been watching those classic movies in this frame size for decades on big white screens. And those were the times when 50 LP/mm lens resolution was considered excellent.

MrAndreas said:

despite loads of examples of people printing very large prints.

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I often pass my photographic assignments to customers on a USB flash drive so they can archive the photos on disks and watch the pictures as a slideshow on their home TVs later. Everyone is happy with 24MP as soon as the images are good. 4k TV is ~8MP only, after all.

40MP sensor has its advantages, I agree. But 40MP vs 24MP (or 26MP, no matter) is a tradeoff, as always. To whom what, however, for the APS-C sensor size, I am at the 24-26MP side. For 40MP, I have the S1R (47MP) with a photo frame 24x36mm sensor.

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DJ STU-C said:

MrAndreas said:

BTW, am I the only one who feels the TV is oversharpening the picture? Look at the halos on the crops. I believe this is somewhere inside the TV settings menu. Did you try inspecting the display settings and playing with them to improve your viewing experience?

By default, TVs usually come with "punchy" preset view modes, so their picture looks fancier and punchier when displayed in the showroom. But you bring it home then.

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It wasn’t really that scientific tbh, I just plugged the USB in and put it on cycle picture mode.

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That's precisely what 99% of people usually do

DJ STU-C said:

Probably not the best idea to be using my poorly composed iPhone 11 shots of the screen to judge if it’s over sharpening or not I would say.

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The photos are adorable, from what I can see. I appreciate using these big, cool TVs as photo frames. In our smartphone era, this is an excellent replacement for old-fashioned paper family photo albums and for A2/A1 photo printing on paper. To me, in my photography and video, the ~65" 4k TV from 2-3 meters distance is my target viewing media. My customers appreciate this, both for the office and for the family photo viewing.

DJ STU-C said:

They look fantastic at normal viewing distance with your eyes.

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Yes, sure!

DJ STU-C said:

The point of the thread was to show that even at over 1m wide there is still plenty of detail there.

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Definitely there is.

DJ STU-C said:

The TV is used for watching Footy and playing on my Xbox on occasion.

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When you suspect that your TV is "over-enhancing" your photos (extra color saturation, extra sharpening), simply check the display settings. Factory settings may be suboptimal for viewing photos, that's what I am saying.

MrAndreas said:

DJ STU-C said:

MrAndreas said:

BTW, am I the only one who feels the TV is oversharpening the picture? Look at the halos on the crops. I believe this is somewhere inside the TV settings menu. Did you try inspecting the display settings and playing with them to improve your viewing experience?

By default, TVs usually come with "punchy" preset view modes, so their picture looks fancier and punchier when displayed in the showroom. But you bring it home then.

Click to expand...

It wasn’t really that scientific tbh, I just plugged the USB in and put it on cycle picture mode.

Click to expand...

That's precisely what 99% of people usually do

MrAndreas said:

Probably not the best idea to be using my poorly composed iPhone 11 shots of the screen to judge if it’s over sharpening or not I would say.

Click to expand...

The photos are adorable, from what I can see. I appreciate using these big, cool TVs as photo frames. In our smartphone era, this is an excellent replacement for old-fashioned paper family photo albums and for A2/A1 photo printing on paper. To me, in my photography and video, the ~65" 4k TV from 2-3 meters distance is my target viewing media. My customers appreciate this, both for the office and for the family photo viewing.

MrAndreas said:

They look fantastic at normal viewing distance with your eyes.

Click to expand...

Yes, sure!

MrAndreas said:

The point of the thread was to show that even at over 1m wide there is still plenty of detail there.

Click to expand...

Definitely there is.

MrAndreas said:

The TV is used for watching Footy and playing on my Xbox on occasion.

Click to expand...

When you suspect that your TV is "over-enhancing" your photos (extra color saturation, extra sharpening), simply check the display settings. Factory settings may be suboptimal for viewing photos, that's what I am saying.

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Yeah I’ll have a tinker around with it when I get some time this week, see what settings there are available to adjust. Before we moved here our only TVs were 10yr old 1080p things so it’s a nice change to have some big 4K panels with far better contrast etc.

In the meantime all my shots are in that Flickr profile linked to my sig if you want to see them properly, mainly landscape and travel shots.

DJ STU-C said:

Before we moved here our only TVs were 10yr old 1080p things so it’s a nice change to have some big 4K panels with far better contrast etc.

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Welcome to the new brave world!

DJ STU-C said:

In the meantime all my shots are in that Flickr profile linked to my sig if you want to see them properly, mainly landscape and travel shots.

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I like your photography; there's not a single photo there that I can rate lower than "very good". I'd suggest handpicking a collection to the USB drive and turning your TV into a photo frame occasionally — it's exciting to view with family and friends from this perspective! Much like your personal exhibition of your photos, printed at A1.

MrAndreas said:

DJ STU-C said:

Before we moved here our only TVs were 10yr old 1080p things so it’s a nice change to have some big 4K panels with far better contrast etc.

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Welcome to the new brave world!

MrAndreas said:

In the meantime all my shots are in that Flickr profile linked to my sig if you want to see them properly, mainly landscape and travel shots.

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I like your photography; there's not a single photo there that I can rate lower than "very good". I'd suggest handpicking a collection to the USB drive and turning your TV into a photo frame occasionally — it's exciting to view with family and friends from this perspective! Much like your personal exhibition of your photos, printed at A1.

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Yeah thats the plan, have them on screen when we’re hosting or just even for our own pleasure.

We could always print big. This image is a custom wall covering in flat.





Best yet, check the EXIF data, it's done wit an 11-MP Nikon D200 and you can walk up to it and enjoy the sharpness.

Morris

Morris0 said:

We could always print big. This image is a custom wall covering in flat.

Best yet, check the EXIF data, it's done wit an 11-MP Nikon D200 and you can walk up to it and enjoy the sharpness.

Morris

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Awesome shot Morris, I’m jealous of those cityscapes you have over there.

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Stu-C

The shot is excellent! Unfortunately, I don't know how to view its EXIF data from here, but I wonder which lens it was taken with? Thanks!

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DJ STU-C said:

DJ STU-C said:

I like your photography; there's not a single photo there that I can rate lower than "very good". I'd suggest handpicking a collection to the USB drive and turning your TV into a photo frame occasionally — it's exciting to view with family and friends from this perspective! Much like your personal exhibition of your photos, printed at A1.

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Yeah thats the plan, have them on screen when we’re hosting or just even for our own pleasure.

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(With a certain degree of sarcasm) This is the mode of viewing which will make smartphone owners cry, and get them to understand why we, camera and lens geeky fans, still keep and honor all this gear of ours

DJ STU-C said:

MrAndreas said:

Who said that the Fuji X sensor is "small"?

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You can’t tell me you haven’t seen this being parroted all over the place?

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Why do I care? I took my first photo back in 1972, it was 6x6 film. I worked as a cameraman on a movie production in the early 1990s. I started in commercial photography at that time, but later moved to a more profitable occupation. I moved from film to digital some 25 years ago. My first mirrorless camera was the Sony DSC-R1. Aghh wait! I still have the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX1 in my drawer! Broken, unfortunately. I've been on the Internet forums since 1993. I've seen too much

So this holy war is no news to me.

My own criteria are my own decisions, backed with my own money. Back in 2012 (or maybe earlier? I can't recall for sure, 2010 maybe?), I got rid of all my former Canon stuff — two camera bodies and a bunch of lenses. But after a few years, I felt myself missing photography again, and I chose the Fujifilm X — compact, lightweight line of bodies and lenses, the cinematic film frame I am used to, and no gravestone-like heavy gear anymore.

It works for me, so again, why do I care about what some random passerby will say?

Once, with my colleague, we were working on an assignment at an event. One random passerby suddenly asked him:

- Wow, what lens do you use? Is it a professional one?

- In my hands, every lens is professional - he replied.

The same is true for the sensor sizes.

So, you turned your 24mp camera into an 8mp camera?