Do you think many will buy the new Z16-50 F2.8 lens?

The problem is the phone ends up "free". Most people buy a phone no matter what.
The video I linked mentions this as well.
Saying a standalone camera is better implies most people care or can even tell. There are things we all take photos of with our phones that quality doesn't matter. I took a photo of my hotwater tank for my plumber. Would it have been better with a real camera? Would my plumber notice?
Err, I take photos with my phone for a plumber as well. But that’s not photography. That’s me making sure my plumber knows what he has to know.
All this makes low end cameras a real hard sell.
If all you do is send photos to your plumber, then sure.
 
Most people aren't doing fine art photos. They're doing the same snap shots they would have taken with a disposable film camera.

The snapshot was always the majority of the cameras sold. Maybe a minority of the film sold but they bought most of the bodies.

What's left is a relatively small hard core group. Like any small hard core group it tends to be more on the extreme end of things.

It doesn't matter if a "real" camera is better. They majority don't care.
 
Maybe not many will buy the new Z16-50/2.8. A lot of potential buyers went to FX meanwhile. The equivalent Z24-70/4 costs less and is S-line.

Nevertheless, the 16-50/2.8 looks like a necessity for DX, in particular as the Sigma 18-50/2.8 and the Tamron 17-70/2.8 are not available.
For photographers who don't want to step into the nikon FF system, but want more then a point and shoot camera, the new 16-50 f2.8 is IMO a very welcome addition to the nikon dx lens collection.
I think some Nikon users (but not just Nikon users) have the opinion that if you're going to use a smaller sensor camera, you might as well use your smartphone. Perhaps this doesn't apply to APS-C (yet), but I do think it applies to MFT for example. But if FF is better than MFT or APS-C because of the sensor size, then surely APS-C and MFT are better than a phone - because of the sensor size. Of course phones have other tricks up their sleeves, but those tricks don't always work either, and might produce flawed results. So I think it's a bit elitist to say "only fullframe is worth having as a system" or things along those lines. It's all about options, and just like a car isn't the best mode of transportation for every trip, a certain sensor size isn't the best for every kind of photography.
Yea but fact is phones have been good enough to already eat into apsc for stills.
If that's the case, then it's probably happening for fullframe as well. Because the difference between even the latest iPhone 17 Pro sensor and APS-C, is much greater than the difference between APS-C and fullframe.

But I don't think it's the case. I think cameras and phones are very different tools. And I think this is a very accurate video on the matter:
Now having said that, the Z50ii with the 16-50 f2.8 compared to the Z5ii with the 24-70 is 320 grams lighter and $1k cheaper. That is no small change.

The Z5ii combination will look better if the crop combination of body and lens is any more expensive or heavier. Also probably explains the non-S classification of this lens. Nikon knows.
Are you only going to get a 24-70 though? I'm not. I like tele as well, for wildlife among other things. With APS-C, you can get to 600mm FF-eq with a 400mm lens.
You're just baking in the crop. You can get 600mm FF-eq with a 400mm with full frame too. Just gotta crop in post, and with that you get the flexibility to crop to anywhere from 400 to 600mm ff-eq.
 
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If I had a dx camera I would buy it in a second.

If it's anywhere near as food as the f-mount 16-80 f/2.8-4 is, it will be an amazing lens, and given the advantages of the z-mount I would imagine that it will be even better.
I would prefer a Z S-Line version of the f-mount 16-80 f/2.8-4 instead of this new 16-50
Not only do I think people will buy it; I imagine some people would buy a dx z-mount camera specifically because of it. By which I mean: people who were on the fence about buying a dx camera before because of lack of really compelling dx lenses would see this and be impressed enough to pull the trigger.
 
Most people aren't doing fine art photos. They're doing the same snap shots they would have taken with a disposable film camera.

The snapshot was always the majority of the cameras sold. Maybe a minority of the film sold but they bought most of the bodies.
”Was always”? When was that? Phones with cameras have been around for a good 20 years or so.
What's left is a relatively small hard core group. Like any small hard core group it tends to be more on the extreme end of things.

It doesn't matter if a "real" camera is better. They majority don't care.
True, and totally irrelevant to any fullframe vs APS-C sensor size discussion.
 
If I had a dx camera I would buy it in a second.

If it's anywhere near as food as the f-mount 16-80 f/2.8-4 is, it will be an amazing lens, and given the advantages of the z-mount I would imagine that it will be even better.
I would prefer a Z S-Line version of the f-mount 16-80 f/2.8-4 instead of this new 16-50
Not only do I think people will buy it; I imagine some people would buy a dx z-mount camera specifically because of it. By which I mean: people who were on the fence about buying a dx camera before because of lack of really compelling dx lenses would see this and be impressed enough to pull the trigger.
Out of 7 lenses produced so far, not one has been S class. I could be wrong (yet again!) but that pretty much suggests to me that Nikon is unwilling to pursue that. My suspicion is that the build quality, coatings, complex formulas, weather sealing etc. that hallmarks the S class would drive the cost of a DX lens beyond where they see the market.
 
Maybe not many will buy the new Z16-50/2.8. A lot of potential buyers went to FX meanwhile. The equivalent Z24-70/4 costs less and is S-line.

Nevertheless, the 16-50/2.8 looks like a necessity for DX, in particular as the Sigma 18-50/2.8 and the Tamron 17-70/2.8 are not available.
For photographers who don't want to step into the nikon FF system, but want more then a point and shoot camera, the new 16-50 f2.8 is IMO a very welcome addition to the nikon dx lens collection.
I think some Nikon users (but not just Nikon users) have the opinion that if you're going to use a smaller sensor camera, you might as well use your smartphone. Perhaps this doesn't apply to APS-C (yet), but I do think it applies to MFT for example. But if FF is better than MFT or APS-C because of the sensor size, then surely APS-C and MFT are better than a phone - because of the sensor size. Of course phones have other tricks up their sleeves, but those tricks don't always work either, and might produce flawed results. So I think it's a bit elitist to say "only fullframe is worth having as a system" or things along those lines. It's all about options, and just like a car isn't the best mode of transportation for every trip, a certain sensor size isn't the best for every kind of photography.
Yea but fact is phones have been good enough to already eat into apsc for stills.
If that's the case, then it's probably happening for fullframe as well. Because the difference between even the latest iPhone 17 Pro sensor and APS-C, is much greater than the difference between APS-C and fullframe.

But I don't think it's the case. I think cameras and phones are very different tools. And I think this is a very accurate video on the matter:
Now having said that, the Z50ii with the 16-50 f2.8 compared to the Z5ii with the 24-70 is 320 grams lighter and $1k cheaper. That is no small change.

The Z5ii combination will look better if the crop combination of body and lens is any more expensive or heavier. Also probably explains the non-S classification of this lens. Nikon knows.
Are you only going to get a 24-70 though? I'm not. I like tele as well, for wildlife among other things. With APS-C, you can get to 600mm FF-eq with a 400mm lens.
You're just baking in the crop. You can get 600mm FF-eq with a 400mm with full frame too. Just gotta crop in post, and with that you get the flexibility to crop to anywhere from 400 to 600mm ff-eq.
Yes. Except that you then need a Z8 if you want Expeed 7 and comparable resolution. Which means spending 3-4x as much money. And it’s bigger and heavier.
 
To make this lens more of a hit, the Z30 and Zfc should also get updated.

It will sell pretty well though. The Z50II is one of best budget cams around and a fast zoom really rounds it out nicely.

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I suspect they will introduce a new body that will be available with this lens as a kit option.

May be just wishful thinking.
 
Maybe not many will buy the new Z16-50/2.8. A lot of potential buyers went to FX meanwhile. The equivalent Z24-70/4 costs less and is S-line.

Nevertheless, the 16-50/2.8 looks like a necessity for DX, in particular as the Sigma 18-50/2.8 and the Tamron 17-70/2.8 are not available.
For photographers who don't want to step into the nikon FF system, but want more then a point and shoot camera, the new 16-50 f2.8 is IMO a very welcome addition to the nikon dx lens collection.
I think some Nikon users (but not just Nikon users) have the opinion that if you're going to use a smaller sensor camera, you might as well use your smartphone.
I see your explanation below. Just for those who believe in the statement above, I want to share some numbers instead of my opinion

Surface area of sensors in sq.mm.

FF = 864 (rounded to 36x24)

APSC = 367 (non Canon)

MFT = 243

Type 1 = 121 (only a couple of phones; mostly bridge cameras)

1/1.8 = 48 (typically the larger ones; others are much smaller)

How much is one close to its next one is a matter of interpretation based on its impact to their photography.
Perhaps this doesn't apply to APS-C (yet), but I do think it applies to MFT for example. But if FF is better than MFT or APS-C because of the sensor size, then surely APS-C and MFT are better than a phone - because of the sensor size. Of course phones have other tricks up their sleeves, but those tricks don't always work either, and might produce flawed results. So I think it's a bit elitist to say "only fullframe is worth having as a system" or things along those lines. It's all about options, and just like a car isn't the best mode of transportation for every trip, a certain sensor size isn't the best for every kind of photography.
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If I had a dx camera I would buy it in a second.

If it's anywhere near as food as the f-mount 16-80 f/2.8-4 is, it will be an amazing lens, and given the advantages of the z-mount I would imagine that it will be even better.
I would prefer a Z S-Line version of the f-mount 16-80 f/2.8-4 instead of this new 16-50
Not only do I think people will buy it; I imagine some people would buy a dx z-mount camera specifically because of it. By which I mean: people who were on the fence about buying a dx camera before because of lack of really compelling dx lenses would see this and be impressed enough to pull the trigger.
Out of 7 lenses produced so far, not one has been S class. I could be wrong (yet again!) but that pretty much suggests to me that Nikon is unwilling to pursue that. My suspicion is that the build quality, coatings, complex formulas, weather sealing etc. that hallmarks the S class would drive the cost of a DX lens beyond where they see the market.
This is exactly what would happen, as it happened in the f-mount era. Nikon knows full well the price sensitivity of most DX format photographers.

If it turns out that DX format has some advantages in videography beyond cost, you might see more lenses like the 12-28 PZ, which was oriented towards vloggers.

S-line lenses will most likely remain FX. More step-up grade DX lenses may be forthcoming, particularly if an a6700 class body with IBIS is introduced. But S-line lenses and the pro-level high-res DX body that would go with them - likely not.
 
I'll probably replace the current 16-50 with the 16-50 f/2.8 in my wife's Z50ii kit. I use it as my ultralight kit occasionally.

I see the 16-50 f/2.8 as part of a kit for a new enthusiast DX kit. There is room for a $2000 DX body with Z8/Z6iii type features. That camera requires a quality kit lens and the 16-50 f/2.8 fills that role.
 
Note, if I were heading up Nikon Engineering this camera would be a Z5II with a DX sensor replacing the FX sensor. I would also look pretty hard at making the sensor a semi stacked sensor with 24-30mp. The problem with the new sensor is that it will push the pricing to the Full Frame near premium price level, perhaps halfway between the Z8 and Z6 III. Because a new higher resolution sensor will cost more, so the Z500 may come with the same old 20.9mp sensor we all know and respect because that will produce a lower cost, probably in line with the Z5II. Hey, if you want dual SD card slots and the EN-EL15c battery it will require a larger camera. Good news is that this approach does use existing tooling and tooling up for a brand new body is likely several million dollars.
 
I will for sure get it. I shoot weddings with a z50ii and z5ii - perfect combo. Among other primes, I have the 28-75 usually on the z5ii and 70-180 on z50ii. Outside this is fine, but inside lower light I will put the 70-180 on the z5ii for the ibis, as the longer focal length needs that more than the 28-75. But now the crop means I don't have anything wide so I'm often swapping that lens out or trying to decide what I need to have on me if I do need to go wider etc. Having a 16-50 makes all those decisions go away and I only need other options on me for creative purposes.
 
Tempting. f/2.8 Apsc is nice.

I've the 18-140 for travels but the 16mm is missing.

The Tele 80mm is missing on this one (50mm apsc is too short exactly like the 24-70/4 FF)

These new APSC zooms are so good and so light thought that it's difficult to replace them with anything else for travel. Bravo Nikon.

Now the 16-50 being too short, you'll have to swap lens, and that is a pain.

The 24-120/4 FF is great, but a little on the heavy side ;)

Compromise, compromise...
 
I am late to this discussion because in my household we are going through a period where we are not doing much photography.

I consider the specifications of this lens practical for landscape and museum photography in the context of travel. For sure if it is optically as good or better as the 16-50 F3.5-6.3 Z kit lens, which was a hit out of the park for price vs. performance (optically equal, IMO, to the F-mount 16-80 DX). I am potentially interested in acquiring one, but only after it's been out for a while and proven and subject to discounts. I thought $900 MSRP is a bit steep for a non-S specification DX short focal length zoom.
 
Out of 7 lenses produced so far, not one has been S class. I could be wrong (yet again!) but that pretty much suggests to me that Nikon is unwilling to pursue that. My suspicion is that the build quality, coatings, complex formulas, weather sealing etc. that hallmarks the S class would drive the cost of a DX lens beyond where they see the market.
I mean, or there's a bunch of marketing involved. There are great non-S-line lenses, just as there are Sony lenses as good or better than G Master ones. S-line is a marketing term - arguably a guarantee of quality. Not being designated S-line doesn't automatically mean a lens is bad.

This lens has as many weather seals as it is possibly to have, based on the diagram from Nikon. Maybe they just don't want to cannibalize full frame sales by admitting they can make great DX stuff?

If the optical quality was identical but Nikon called this an S-line lens, so many more people would be happy about it... Also if Americans got to buy it for the tariff-free price.
 
Out of 7 lenses produced so far, not one has been S class. I could be wrong (yet again!) but that pretty much suggests to me that Nikon is unwilling to pursue that. My suspicion is that the build quality, coatings, complex formulas, weather sealing etc. that hallmarks the S class would drive the cost of a DX lens beyond where they see the market.
I mean, or there's a bunch of marketing involved. There are great non-S-line lenses, just as there are Sony lenses as good or better than G Master ones. S-line is a marketing term - arguably a guarantee of quality. Not being designated S-line doesn't automatically mean a lens is bad.
Of course not necessarily makes it a bad lens, but it also means it also doesn't have the usual parts that would earn it it's S badge. Things like the fancier lens coatings for example.

And that goes back to that point, what we can tell from this not being a fancy high end lens and instead a "normal" lens reflects Nikons' understanding of the market, that cost of production and the resulting price tag is a key factor when it comes to crop.
This lens has as many weather seals as it is possibly to have, based on the diagram from Nikon. Maybe they just don't want to cannibalize full frame sales by admitting they can make great DX stuff?

If the optical quality was identical but Nikon called this an S-line lens, so many more people would be happy about it... Also if Americans got to buy it for the tariff-free price.
 
Just curious how cropped sensor Z camera owners feel about the new $900 lens. I personally feel the much lighter and quite sharp kit 16-50 Z lens is more than adequate.
I feel that the new f/2.8 zoom fills one of the most glaring gaps in the Nikon APS-C system. However, by itself it doesn’t solve the scarcity of zoom lenses in the system, which limits its popularity and ultimately caps the potential success of the lens itself. A small base of installed camera bodies means a low lens acquisition number.

The whole situation feels a bit like a re-run of the Nikon 1 conundrum: a solid kit of low-end f/5.6 lenses with only a few highlights among the more expensive ones. That alone doesn’t create a well-rounded, universal system and leaves the impression that there’s no clear vision or strategy behind it other than pushing users to full-frame, which feels bad.
And with current PP software, noise is really a non issue, IMHO.
I hope people eventually stop using this tired argument. Post-processing (PP) doesn’t make an f/5.6 lens any better than an f/2.8, because you can apply PP to an f/2.8 shot as well and achieve even better results. Let’s also not ignore that PP isn’t a free lunch — it introduces its own problems, such as higher equipment and workflow costs, as well as risks of false AI-generated data.
I'd rather spend half the $900 on 2 Viltrox f1.7 primes.
I’m not sure prime lenses are the best reference point for comparison, but I do see the price as a problem. Looking at the weight, size, optical formula, number of elements, and MTF charts, this new lens seems quite similar in design philosophy to the Sigma 18–50mm f/2.8:

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Sure, MTF charts aren’t directly comparable and are theoretical, but they still give a rough estimate of what a lens is and how it might perform — and this one doesn’t seem to outperform the Sigma.

So the question arises: is the €500 vs. €900 price difference justified by a 16mm vs. 18mm wide end and the addition of VR? My feeling is that the price should be lower, especially considering the Tamron 17–70mm f/2.8 VC, which is said to be optically superior to the Nikon but sells for around €600.

Some might argue that both the Sigma and Tamron aren’t available in Z-mount. I’d counter that by asking: why stay with the Z APS-C system at all then? I don’t want to be a hostage to the system and pay top dollar for gear that’s significantly cheaper in other mounts.
What do you think, will it be a big seller?
If the price drops, the lens will certainly become more attractive — but a big seller? Unlikely. It simply doesn’t have any standout features compared to the competition, not to mention the overall Nikon APS-C situation.
Just FYI, I was able to blur the background pretty nicely @75mm with the kit 16-50 lens.
Let’s be honest — every lens can blur the background at minimum focusing distance, even a point-and-shoot or a smartphone one 😉
 
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f2.8 is f2.8 no matter the sensor size. The same shutter speed will provide the same exposure on a 2.8 DX lens as on a 2.8 FF lens.
I wonder why this keeps being stubbornly repeated as an argument for the advantage of faster lenses on smaller sensors. I can get the same exposure and DoF on full-frame with a slower lens just by bumping the ISO. Come on, people.
 
Just curious how cropped sensor Z camera owners feel about the new $900 lens. I personally feel the much lighter and quite sharp kit 16-50 Z lens is more than adequate. And with current PP software, noise is really a non issue, IMHO.

I'd rather spend half the $900 on 2 Viltrox f1.7 primes.
With about €900 you can buy the entire range for DX "Air" lenses, those are being sold around 200 bucks. If you don't much care for the 9mm, you can replace it with the full frame 50mm f/2 Air to match the range of the 16-50 with a 15-50 range.



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What do you think, will it be a big seller?
No. Price is too high to be appealing to the target demographic of the Z50II and Zfc imho.

They should have simply given the right to Tamron to release their 17-70 f/2.8 VC on the Z mount, maybe with a Nikkor rebadge.

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