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pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

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Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

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I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

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pentax mono said:

Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

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I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

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this exact same argument has been brought up ten thousand times and the Mono cameras have been proven to be superior

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Noddemix said:

pentax mono said:

Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

Click to expand...

I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

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this exact same argument has been brought up ten thousand times and the Mono cameras have been proven to be superior

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Oh wow that was helpful. I guess all you've got is hyperbole.

I'll help you out:
Extra resolution thanks to skipping the demosaicing/CFA overhead is more than just a bit useful when you're talking about a 26MP sensor, as that's not a big print by any means. There's also c. 1/1.5 stop of improvement in noise, better tonal gradation and in my experience the highlight roll-off/clipping is somewhat more 'natural' looking.

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sprocket-docket said:

Noddemix said:

pentax mono said:

Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

Click to expand...

I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

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this exact same argument has been brought up ten thousand times and the Mono cameras have been proven to be superior

Click to expand...

Oh wow that was helpful. I guess all you've got is hyperbole.

I'll help you out:
Extra resolution thanks to skipping the demosaicing/CFA overhead is more than just a bit useful when you're talking about a 26MP sensor, as that's not a big print by any means. There's also c. 1/1.5 stop of improvement in noise, better tonal gradation and in my experience the highlight roll-off/clipping is somewhat more 'natural' looking.

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I don't find the highlight clipping to be "natural" with mono sensors; at least the K-3 Monochrome is pretty bad. These cameras want to keep highlights tamed. However highlight-weighted metering helps a lot with this.

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sprocket-docket said:

The extra sensitivity and subtle tonal transitions are noticeable even when not printing large or cropping in.

I'm hoping the ND filter gets replaced with a color filter (orange seems most useful) in which case it'll be a complete package.

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Noddemix said:

sprocket-docket said:

Noddemix said:

pentax mono said:

Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

Click to expand...

I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

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this exact same argument has been brought up ten thousand times and the Mono cameras have been proven to be superior

Click to expand...

Oh wow that was helpful. I guess all you've got is hyperbole.

I'll help you out:
Extra resolution thanks to skipping the demosaicing/CFA overhead is more than just a bit useful when you're talking about a 26MP sensor, as that's not a big print by any means. There's also c. 1/1.5 stop of improvement in noise, better tonal gradation and in my experience the highlight roll-off/clipping is somewhat more 'natural' looking.

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I don't find the highlight clipping to be "natural" with mono sensors; at least the K-3 Monochrome is pretty bad. These cameras want to keep highlights tamed. However highlight-weighted metering helps a lot with this.

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I don't mean their tendency to clip so much as how the highlights roll off. I mention this as I've had positive experiences with the Leicas and a converted GFX, exposing to the right but avoiding clipping. I have no experience with the Pentax but I'm surprised as I imagined there would be an improvement with there being only one luminance channel and cleaner tonal information near the highlight limit. Totally dependent on Pentax's implementation and if that sensor is already prone to unnatural tonal boundaries at the high end... (I haven't used the colour K-3 either).

Noddemix said:

The extra sensitivity and subtle tonal transitions are noticeable even when not printing large or cropping in.

I'm hoping the ND filter gets replaced with a color filter (orange seems most useful) in which case it'll be a complete package.

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Noddemix said:

pentax mono said:

Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

Click to expand...

I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

Click to expand...

this exact same argument has been brought up ten thousand times and the Mono cameras have been proven to be superior

Click to expand...

Oh wow that was helpful. I guess all you've got is hyperbole.

I'll help you out:
Extra resolution thanks to skipping the demosaicing/CFA overhead is more than just a bit useful when you're talking about a 26MP sensor, as that's not a big print by any means. There's also c. 1/1.5 stop of improvement in noise, better tonal gradation and in my experience the highlight roll-off/clipping is somewhat more 'natural' looking.

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Sothoth said:

Noddemix said:

pentax mono said:

Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

Click to expand...

I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

Click to expand...

this exact same argument has been brought up ten thousand times and the Mono cameras have been proven to be superior

Click to expand...

Oh wow that was helpful. I guess all you've got is hyperbole.

I'll help you out:
Extra resolution thanks to skipping the demosaicing/CFA overhead is more than just a bit useful when you're talking about a 26MP sensor, as that's not a big print by any means. There's also c. 1/1.5 stop of improvement in noise, better tonal gradation and in my experience the highlight roll-off/clipping is somewhat more 'natural' looking.

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I can appreciate this. I’d be really interested to see pictures with the GRIV vs mono to direct compare and see. I’ve found that I really love film B&W but don’t get the same joy shooting digital color and then converting. At least for the most part. But I’m also not sure I’d fork out the money for a mono only camera at that >$1000 price point.

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DougOB said:

Sothoth said:

Noddemix said:

pentax mono said:

Sothoth said:

pentax mono said:

Ricoh GR IV Monochrome

This will be THE camera for street photographers for those who work in BW .

with its : snap mode " and dedicated monochrome sensor you will get better than full frame quality out of a tiny apsc camera with instant acquisition

I know what you are thinking - " better than full frame out of an apsc - and your proof ? "

Click to expand...

I've never understood the mono cameras. Is the increased resolution really worth the loss in flexibility? I guess the answer is "yes" at least for the people who want to buy it, but it seems unlikely that you'd benefit from it that much. I'm mostly thinking of prints where, unless you print at higher than 300dpi you'd be unlikey to see much (if any) difference unless you print extremely large. So again, not to be argumentative about someones preference, but I'm genuinely curious your thought process here.

Click to expand...

this exact same argument has been brought up ten thousand times and the Mono cameras have been proven to be superior

Click to expand...

Oh wow that was helpful. I guess all you've got is hyperbole.

I'll help you out:
Extra resolution thanks to skipping the demosaicing/CFA overhead is more than just a bit useful when you're talking about a 26MP sensor, as that's not a big print by any means. There's also c. 1/1.5 stop of improvement in noise, better tonal gradation and in my experience the highlight roll-off/clipping is somewhat more 'natural' looking.

Click to expand...

I can appreciate this. I’d be really interested to see pictures with the GRIV vs mono to direct compare and see. I’ve found that I really love film B&W but don’t get the same joy shooting digital color and then converting. At least for the most part. But I’m also not sure I’d fork out the money for a mono only camera at that >$1000 price point.

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Or you could buy a Leica M11 Monochrome for $10K It is FF of course so I guess it is worth it.

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gans said:

Most just want the image straight from the camera and I do understand that, so extra care has to be taken when shooting

Extracting detail from blown highlights with digital images just ain't gonna happen.

I noticed on the Leica smartphone lut app that subtle tonal transitions dominate the mid tones at the expense of true blacks

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