Fujifilm X-T30 III

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I keep seeing interesting posts on various rumour sites that this updated version is due to be announced tomorrow (23rd October) as well as a new 13-33 kit lens.

Not seen anything here which makes me doubt the veracity of the rumours. Anyone else seen this and what's the general opinion?

Thanks,

John
 
Be patient, it will be annouced tomorrow.
 
I keep seeing interesting posts on various rumour sites that this updated version is due to be announced tomorrow (23rd October) as well as a new 13-33 kit lens.

Not seen anything here which makes me doubt the veracity of the rumours. Anyone else seen this and what's the general opinion?

Thanks,

John
FujiFilm UK announced the date on Instagram - they didn't actually name the camera or lens - but the pictures they included make it pretty likely.
 
Be patient, it will be annouced tomorrow.
I'm very patient (usually). I just hadn't seen the rumour until today. But I've been looking for a small, lightweight combo for well over a year to complement my RX10iv which is a great do-it-all cam but not tiny (I appreciate it's nothing like a Nikon D3 with trinity lenses which I've carted around in the past).

If the rumour is right the small body and very small wide lens might be ideal for my use case. Plus the facility to add wider/longer/better lenses when required is very attractive.

So, yes, I can wait until tomorrow and won't hold my breath but I'm hoping it might be the end of my search (but I've been disappointed before - looking at you Canon Powershot V1 without an EVF) so we'll see.

John
 
Be patient, it will be annouced tomorrow.
I'm very patient (usually). I just hadn't seen the rumour until today. But I've been looking for a small, lightweight combo for well over a year to complement my RX10iv which is a great do-it-all cam but not tiny (I appreciate it's nothing like a Nikon D3 with trinity lenses which I've carted around in the past).

If the rumour is right the small body and very small wide lens might be ideal for my use case. Plus the facility to add wider/longer/better lenses when required is very attractive.

So, yes, I can wait until tomorrow and won't hold my breath but I'm hoping it might be the end of my search (but I've been disappointed before - looking at you Canon Powershot V1 without an EVF) so we'll see.

John
For comparison, the X-T50 is also in that size class, though presumably a higher price class, with 40mp and IBIS. The m43 EM10 mark IV is that size range but lighter, with IBIS, EVF, D-pad and tilt screen, sensor smaller than APSC but bigger than your RX10vi. OM5 mark II is also on that size class but lighter, with IBIS, D-pad, EVF, side fold-out screen, but also weather-sealed, with more processing/AF functions than EM10.
 
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Be patient, it will be annouced tomorrow.
I'm very patient (usually). I just hadn't seen the rumour until today. But I've been looking for a small, lightweight combo for well over a year to complement my RX10iv which is a great do-it-all cam but not tiny (I appreciate it's nothing like a Nikon D3 with trinity lenses which I've carted around in the past).

If the rumour is right the small body and very small wide lens might be ideal for my use case. Plus the facility to add wider/longer/better lenses when required is very attractive.

So, yes, I can wait until tomorrow and won't hold my breath but I'm hoping it might be the end of my search (but I've been disappointed before - looking at you Canon Powershot V1 without an EVF) so we'll see.

John
For comparison, the X-T50 is also in that size class, though presumably a higher price class, with 40mp and IBIS. The m43 EM10 mark IV is that size range but lighter, with IBIS, EVF, D-pad and tilt screen, sensor smaller than APSC but bigger than your RX10vi. OM5 mark II is also on that size class but lighter, with IBIS, D-pad, EVF, side fold-out screen, but also weather-sealed, with more processing/AF functions than EM10.
Thank you, your comments are appreciated. I have been hoping that, over the last couple of years, mobile (phone) imaging would have improved enough to use as an EDC and first reports and examples of the new iPhone 17 Pro looked not bad. But unfortunately it still seems that only the main sensor (and that only in good light) is anywhere near satisfactory for anyone with a critical outlook. That's a bit of a sweeping statement I know but I can only speak for myself based on some 65+ years of photography.

I've not used a Fuji for a few years (X-E1, X-T20) and I was considering a Nikon Z50ii or, as you suggest, a X-T50 at a bit higher price. The rumoured specs of the X-T30iii look good and I'm particularly keen on a small body with a wide to normal lens (hence my previous interest in the Canon V1 with 16-50 lens) but the lack of EVF cancelled out the advantages. There are some nice MFT outfits I agree but I would like the best possible IQ without going FF so APS-C is the likely choice. Oh, and Fuji jpegs knock most of the competition out of the park!

We'll see what tomorrow brings and go from there, thanks again,

John
 
If fujirumors is right and this camera will have film sim dial then I don't see a reason to create this camera at all. As a former owner of X-T20, I would expect this model as mini X-T with classic control layout. Film sim dial is a waste from RAW shooter perspective so both X-T50 and X-T30III are for JPEGeers (no offence) and I see no point in having both so similar cameras in lineup. Hope that at least new X-Tx and X-Hx won't have this gimmick dial...

No big problem for me as didn't wait for this body (otherwise I would keep X-T20 which was so nice camera...), but I'm really surprised with this news. If film sim dial have to be perceived as fujifilm camera trademark then X-E5 implentation is the less intrusive IMHO.

Cheers,

Artur.
 
It’s supposed to be announced at 1am tonight (EST) along with the new 13-33mm zoom. It looks to be the X-T3 mkII with the drive dial replaced with a film sim dial - a big downgrade, IMO, continuing the downgrade process from the X-T20 and the loss of its customizable d-pad.
 
Why the hate for the film sim dial? We don't all like the same thing, which is why we have menus in restaurants.
 
Why the hate for the film sim dial? We don't all like the same thing, which is why we have menus in restaurants.
Because it's something 100% worthless (to me) replacing something useful. This isn't a new improved version of an older camera, it's another nail in the coffin of a once great little camera (the X-T20). A customizable dial (and a customizable lever or a few buttons to replace the missing d-pad) would have been useful for everyone.

RAW shooters actually like smaller bodies too and would appreciate something as close as possible to a mini-X-T5 that doesn't get more and more dumbed down with each new iteration. The X-T50 really should have been that camera, but they dropped the ball big time on that one too, this one just continues the trend.
 
It’s supposed to be announced at 1am tonight (EST) along with the new 13-33mm zoom. It looks to be the X-T3 mkII with the drive dial replaced with a film sim dial - a big downgrade, IMO, continuing the downgrade process from the X-T20 and the loss of its customizable d-pad.
If the Drive dial is replaced by a Drive button then changing drive settings for each drive type will be quicker and easier without the need to dive into menus, so many will see that as an upgrade. That said, although I enjoy the practical benefits of the Drive button implementation on my X-S10, I also like having a Drive dial on my X-T10 and found it a lot more practical than the Drive ring on my X-T2.
I rarely use anything other than Standard Provia because I don't care for the unpredictable altered colors, or B&W look, so the Film Sim Dial would be useless to me even though I am now shooting JPEG only.
Like it or not, it appears Fujifilm believes you and I are in the minority, so I expect a Film Sim dial will be on all new Fujifilm cameras until the novelty finally fades away at some point, and it is replaced with the more practical assignable Function Dial instead.

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~ J
 
Why the hate for the film sim dial?
It's not a hate but fear... Why? Because such dial is a waste for everyone who don't shot in JPEG.

Would you like to get another "useful" dial replacement (i.e. creative filter dial instead of PSAM)? Maybe next dial marked with Facebook, Instagram and X to easily direct your photos to the web (instead of rear control dial)? I'm afraid of going this way.

I could understand it in one or two cameras targeted to specific group, but it seems 4 X-system cameras in a row have it... As RAW shooter I'm not terrified yet, but starting to get scared :)
We don't all like the same thing, which is why we have menus in restaurants.
True, but It looks Fujifilm is going to serve the same meatloaf in each menu position (all three recent X-system cameras have it and apparently fourth is on the way - it looks like new general trend).

I think unmarked (or at least fully customizable) dials would be much better for everyone. I wonder how many photographers really need to pull this particular functionality from menu to physical control. Why not subject detection mode, metering mode or shutter type...

For me, X-T20 was the best X-Txx body in terms of ergonomics and control layout. Hope at least X-T6 body will remain untouched by such creative UX designers.

Cheers,

Artur
 
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If fujirumors is right and this camera will have film sim dial then I don't see a reason to create this camera at all. As a former owner of X-T20, I would expect this model as mini X-T with classic control layout. Film sim dial is a waste from RAW shooter perspective so both X-T50 and X-T30III are for JPEGeers (no offence) and I see no point in having both so similar cameras in lineup. Hope that at least new X-Tx and X-Hx won't have this gimmick dial...

No big problem for me as didn't wait for this body (otherwise I would keep X-T20 which was so nice camera...), but I'm really surprised with this news. If film sim dial have to be perceived as fujifilm camera trademark then X-E5 implentation is the less intrusive IMHO.

Cheers,

Artur.
I don't think the rationale is to provide a junior X-T anymore. I think the rationale is simply to retain in the lineup a lower-priced option for users new and pre-existing, but especially younger and newer to Fuji, who will find an EVF essential. There are also existing Fuji heads who don't find 40mp attractive in an APSC camera or at all, those who have no use for an EVF-less camera, and those who would appreciate a continued option of this kind as a B-cam to their main Fuji model. I'm not in the market as for APSC stills in this mp range with an EVF but no IBIS, my X-T100 still delivers beautifully and I also have a fab black Nikon zfc. But I think it is a cool option and a wise rationale. Of course, the rationale holds up less well the higher the price point.

More Will Be Revealed.
 
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If fujirumors is right and this camera will have film sim dial then I don't see a reason to create this camera at all. As a former owner of X-T20, I would expect this model as mini X-T with classic control layout. Film sim dial is a waste from RAW shooter perspective so both X-T50 and X-T30III are for JPEGeers (no offence) and I see no point in having both so similar cameras in lineup. Hope that at least new X-Tx and X-Hx won't have this gimmick dial...

No big problem for me as didn't wait for this body (otherwise I would keep X-T20 which was so nice camera...), but I'm really surprised with this news. If film sim dial have to be perceived as fujifilm camera trademark then X-E5 implentation is the less intrusive IMHO.

Cheers,

Artur.
I don't think the rationale is to provide a junior X-T anymore. I think the rationale is simply to retain in the lineup a lower-priced option for users new and pre-existing, but especially younger and newer to Fuji, who will find an EVF essential. There are also existing Fuji heads who don't find 40mp attractive in an APSC camera or at all, those who have no use for an EVF-less camera, and those who would appreciate a continued option of this kind as a B-cam to their main Fuji model. I'm not in the market as for APSC stills in this mp range with an EVF but no IBIS, my X-T100 still delivers beautifully and I also have a fab black Nikon zfc. But I think it is a cool option and a wise rationale. Of course, the rationale holds up less well the higher the price point.

More Will Be Revealed.
This just in: US $999.00 for the body. Not bad. Only 378gr with battery, better yet. And inquiring minds now know there's an option in Charcoal.
 
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Why the hate for the film sim dial? We don't all like the same thing, which is why we have menus in restaurants.
Because it's something 100% worthless (to me) replacing something useful. This isn't a new improved version of an older camera, it's another nail in the coffin of a once great little camera (the X-T20). A customizable dial (and a customizable lever or a few buttons to replace the missing d-pad) would have been useful for everyone.

RAW shooters actually like smaller bodies too and would appreciate something as close as possible to a mini-X-T5 that doesn't get more and more dumbed down with each new iteration. The X-T50 really should have been that camera, but they dropped the ball big time on that one too, this one just continues the trend.
I don't have any sympathy for the film sim dial, but I can recognize that making a big deal about it is mostly useless.

The Drive mode can still be changed with the drive button, which is something that has been on Fujifilm cameras for a long long time (my X100 from 2011 was like that, my X-Pro2 is as well. Never found anything wrong with this way of changing the drive mode), and FUjifilm actually listened to complaintes about this dial that came when it was first implemented : the FS1, 2 and 3 settings are now able to take custom film recipes, not just other film sim that wouldn't be on the dial, and even if I shoot RAW mostly, I also like to have a nice JPEG and now at least I can cycle through 3 custom recipes or quickly revert back to Provia if I want to.

I understand the criticism that for someone that doesn't much care about this dial, the camera doesn't add anything. But The camera didn't lose any functions or ease of use.

Also, the new processor does quite a bit to improve autofocus and video specs, I wouldn't say this is "another dumbed down version of a once great camera"... quite the opposite.
 
It will be interesting to see how the AF performs with the new processor. If it had been launched with either IBIS or with a two-way tilt screen, I might have considered it. Without those and with the superfluous film sim dial, I will pass.
 
[...]I understand the criticism that for someone that doesn't much care about this dial, the camera doesn't add anything. But The camera didn't lose any functions or ease of use.
I would venture to disagree. I would definitely prefer to have drive mode dial instead film-sim dial as I just DON'T USE FILM SIMS AT ALL (in camera) in opposite to drive modes.

In my opinion if Fuji wanted to improve the camera, then ISO dial + drive mode lever (a'la X-T3) would be much better solution.

I can understand, that for many users, film sim dial might be more useful than ISO, DRIVE or whatever, but it's still not an essential control in general meaning (not all cameras have film sims, while drive, iso, SS, aperture, exposure compensation are common).

Let's imagine the car with fuel filler replaced with cabin fragrance liquid filler. When you need to refill gas then you have to open hood or trunk to find the proper filler. In your words - such car would not loose any functionality or ease of use as well.

IMHO Film-sim bracketing mode could be even more useful feature for JPEG and film-sim enthusiasts (memory is cheap today so why not to have 3 or 4 jpegs saved in your favorite recipes at once).

Cheers,

Artur
 
Let’s hope this trend doesn’t come to the XT6 when ever that camera is released if it did then I’ll stay with my current Fujifilm camera.

I shoot JPEG+Raw if I want to change the film sim on my XT5 or X100vi I just press the Q button first square top left are my 7 recipes simple to change, I really can’t understand why we need a dial when it’s so simple to access your sims, plus the loss of functionality for me.
 
[...]I understand the criticism that for someone that doesn't much care about this dial, the camera doesn't add anything. But The camera didn't lose any functions or ease of use.
I would venture to disagree. I would definitely prefer to have drive mode dial instead film-sim dial as I just DON'T USE FILM SIMS AT ALL (in camera) in opposite to drive modes.
That wasn't the point that I was making though. You can still change the drive mode dial into a button and it's not worse than it was, just different. Lots of other Fujifilm cameras without a drive dial have been doing fine with the drive menu.

So the X-T30III didn't lose any functionality compared to the X-T30II. It even gained some, if you happend to use film recipes a lot. If you don't well you basically have the same camera except you change the drive mode with a menu that has a dedicated button rather than turning a dial.

It may not fit your preference, but the functionality is there. I don't see how you can disagree on anything I've said, except if you didn't read it properly. A drive dial is maybe a little more practical, but it's not easier than a drive button. And you can adapt to either in a matter of a couple of days.
In my opinion if Fuji wanted to improve the camera, then ISO dial + drive mode lever (a'la X-T3) would be much better solution.
Yes, but at this point you're not within X-Tx0 territory. You're aiming for an X-T1 to X-T5, which are larger, more expensive cameras than the X-T10 to X-T50 and now X-T30III.
I can understand, that for many users, film sim dial might be more useful than ISO, DRIVE or whatever, but it's still not an essential control in general meaning (not all cameras have film sims, while drive, iso, SS, aperture, exposure compensation are common).
Drive dials are not common. Only the X-T and X-H line had it. X-Pro, X-E, X-S, X-M or X-A? They never had a drive dial.
Let's imagine the car with fuel filler replaced with cabin fragrance liquid filler. When you need to refill gas then you have to open hood or trunk to find the proper filler. In your words - such car would not loose any functionality or ease of use as well.
That is NOT a good metaphor. A better metaphor would be that instead of pulling the gastank cap, you need to press a little button next to it to open it.
IMHO Film-sim bracketing mode could be even more useful feature for JPEG and film-sim enthusiasts (memory is cheap today so why not to have 3 or 4 jpegs saved in your favorite recipes at once).
That already exist in Fujifilm cameras. That has existed for more than a decade, but it's under the Bracketing menu. So you'd need to change your drive mode to BKT and select "film simulation bracketing" in the bracketing menu.
Cheers,

Artur
 

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