Please, Real world full resolution pictures with the 20-70 f/4.0 G lens

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The coming weeks I most likely will start with the A7Rv but currently not yet sure which standard zoom lens to start with.

I have read the review on Opticallimits.com https://opticallimits.com/sony/sony-fe-20-70mm-f-4-g/.

Also downloaded the ARW sample pictures https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/0949421438/sony-20-70mm-f4-g-sample-gallery/4524614628 from the DPR site and processed them with DxO PL9e/FP7.

I must say I am quite impressed. However, all these sample picture have been shot with a lot of light available.

My requests to you:
  • Do you have real world typical examples of shots with the 20-70 paired with an A7Rv (or iv) in full resolution? Even better if you could transmit the ARW files (via DropBox or similar)?
  • Are there folks who have experience with both the 20-70 f/4.0 G and the 24-70 f/2.8 GMii?
Thanks so much in advance!
 
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I seem to have used up my DPR upload allowance but there is a PM with jpegs and RAWs from my 20-70mm G taken with an A7CR handheld. I tend to use the Tamron twins on my A7Riv on a tripod.

Anyway, one sample downsized by iOS

Anyway, one sample downsized by iOS

In case you are wondering, I shoot and expose RAW-only and process in C1.

Reviews don't mention that the lens has field curvature but it is obvious from brick wall or angled testing.

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It's not a problem, as long as you know about it. Might explain the weaker corners on chart testing. The lens also has veiling glare around edges - look at the window in the bedroom shot.



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That's pretty common in UWA lenses if you look for it. I knew about...
I seem to have used up my DPR upload allowance but there is a PM with jpegs and RAWs from my 20-70mm G taken with an A7CR handheld. I tend to use the Tamron twins on my A7Riv on a tripod.

Anyway, one sample downsized by iOS

Anyway, one sample downsized by iOS

In case you are wondering, I shoot and expose RAW-only and process in C1.

Reviews don't mention that the lens has field curvature but it is obvious from brick wall or angled testing.

0d6e9e0b85084fada5bdb53474358065.jpg


It's not a problem, as long as you know about it. Might explain the weaker corners on chart testing. The lens also has veiling glare around edges - look at the window in the bedroom shot.



5a39eac318b845fb8dcbfe800622b671.jpg




That's pretty common in UWA lenses if you look for it. I knew about it from examining review sample images.

Andrew

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The coming weeks I most likely will start with the A7Rv but currently not yet sure which standard zoom lens to start with.

I have read the review on Opticallimits.com https://opticallimits.com/sony/sony-fe-20-70mm-f-4-g/
The 20-70mm is an outstanding lens. I recently switched to Nikon and it's the one lens I really miss on that system.

Here's a few shots.



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I have just sold the 20-70 in favour if the 24-70 GMii



The 20-70 is (in my subjective view) a decent rather than outstanding lens. It is a very useful zoom range I find, and as long as you are happy with a heavily corrected lens - which the majority seem to be these days - it is very versatile. I mostly upgraded for the extra stop rather than because of any optical deficiency in real world use which are largely negligible for anything other than the most demanding of circumstances.



The post above details the curvature and distortion issues pretty well, but I have a couple of shots here in corrected and uncorrected versions for each lens that may be of interest. These are bland unexciting shots but hopefully useful with and without auto Lightroom profiles



The 20-70 shots are with an A7Cr, the GMii shots with an A9iii



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2070 Uncorrected



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And here with the GMii Uncorrected





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and with auto corrections





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Mision San Juan Capistrano, in Southern California. The interiors are in the Serra Chapel, the oldest extant building in California, dating to 1782. The exteriors are a combination of original and restorations, with major restorations about 1910. So handmade adobe brick and local materials - not the ideal setting for judging distortion.
 
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I seem to have used up my DPR upload allowance but there is a PM with jpegs and RAWs from my 20-70mm G taken with an A7CR handheld. I tend to use the Tamron twins on my A7Riv on a tripod.

Anyway, one sample downsized by iOS

Anyway, one sample downsized by iOS

In case you are wondering, I shoot and expose RAW-only and process in C1.

Reviews don't mention that the lens has field curvature but it is obvious from brick wall or angled testing.

0d6e9e0b85084fada5bdb53474358065.jpg


It's not a problem, as long as you know about it. Might explain the weaker corners on chart testing. The lens also has veiling glare around edges - look at the window in the bedroom shot.

5a39eac318b845fb8dcbfe800622b671.jpg


That's pretty common in UWA lenses if you look for it. I knew about it from examining review sample images.

Andrew
Thanks so much! I processed your ARW files with DxO PL9 like I am used to (I still also have C1.16), very helpful!

I think (from all the reviews) that in real world (even at 100%) the difference (sharpness and contrast) between the 20-70 f/4.0 G and 24-70 f/2.8 GMii in the overlapping focal length and aperture range is not really big, given the images you posted, although, I have not seen images from bot lenses side by side.

Here are two of your images processed with PL9 (reduced JPG size)

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Ab
 
Thanks for the example images! I cannot say that I see a clear the sharpness/contrast difference between the two lenses from your examples (yes deformation, even if corrected, could be an issue at 20 mm). But your images are quite noisy imho, which makes it hard for a pixel-peep comparison.
 
Thanks for the example images! May I ask why you switched to Nikon?
I wanted to have a high-speed body with pre-capture. The Sonys with that feature are too expensive for me (over $6,000), where a used Nikon Z8 can be had for under $3000.
 
Thanks so much, nice examples! Mild border unsharpness can be noticed but it is not much. Also some deformation (?) can be noticed in the borders of the frame at 20 mm, but that could also be just the wide angle..
 
Thanks for the example images! May I ask why you switched to Nikon?
I wanted to have a high-speed body with pre-capture. The Sonys with that feature are too expensive for me (over $6,000), where a used Nikon Z8 can be had for under $3000.
High speed is a legitimate argument against the A7Rv and the current Z8 has also something as 45 MP while the current A7iv about 33 MP (A7v expected next year).
 
I think I'd expect some "stretching" to the edges at 20mm. This is a no tripods area for the most part so there may have been some "tilting" going on and a bit of rush avoiding other visitors in the frames so they may not be perfectly vertical, etc. All would be Lightroom but the interiors could be DxO, too. Don't recall which I chose from.
 
I use FE 20-70 on my A7R3 so cannot answer your question wth real life samles on 61 MP sensor but for me the 20-70 is a very strong performing lens.

Here some landscape samples from myself and other forum members:

 
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Thanks, impressive series of pictures!

Sharpness of the lens looks very good, also at the border of the frame; only at the edges there is clearly softness, but it is minor.

In the old days I had my Nikkormat with what is now called Prime lenses (e.g. 35 mm f/2.0 and 105 mm f/2.5), but I also had a Contax T2 with a Zeiss Sonnar 35 mm f/2.8. And, although not sharper than the Nikkor lenses, the rendering was unparalleled!

That is why I still plan to compare the 20-70 G with the 24-70 GMii side by side at my camera store. Still waiting until they have the A7Rv and both lenses a moment free from the rental service.

(Renting for one day will cost me all together more than 150€, which I think is just to much if you plan to purchase the combi A7Rv with one of the lenses)
 

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