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Considering my next camera purchase, OM-3 perhaps, but given it's only a nice to have thinking what do I do, wait for next gen or buy what's already there. I know, some of you will say if you wait you'll never buy as there will always be something new ahead, but to me it's more a matter of is it worth the wait question. Next gen may not bring anything that matters to me (like more video features for instance). So it begs the wonder; what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed to maintain current performance expectations; how is this likely possible (when is the last time you saw a doubling of your PC processing power without the heat repercussion)? So really what is reasonnable to expect, and by that I don't mean pipedreams and wishes detached from current realities, especially given limited R&D? What do you see coming in the next generation?

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what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?

A faster processor would make HHHR more usable. Each new generation of semiconductors is around 20% faster than the previous one for the same power, and the OM-1 processor is already three years old.

I'm hoping that the next gen OM-1 has much better C-AF+Tr tracking. Sony level would be nice.

I think OMDS should copy the Live LUT technology Panasonic has on the G9.2. Let us use Adobe presets as Picture modes.

I wish Auto ISO had a feature where lowest shutter-speed could be set to be a certain number stops below the reciprocal rule (to allow for IBIS). I believe Sony allows this.
 
what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?
Perhaps but hardly significant. 33MPix would be nice, but can the performance be maintained, especially computational features?
A faster processor would make HHHR more usable. Each new generation of semiconductors is around 20% faster than the previous one for the same power, and the OM-1 processor is already three years old.
You should see what it takes to cool the latest PC CPU offerings. That's insane. Heat is the challenge not speed. Speed can be had but at significant thermal cost I would think.
I'm hoping that the next gen OM-1 has much better C-AF+Tr tracking. Sony level would be nice.
That's certainly possible I would think.
I think OMDS should copy the Live LUT technology Panasonic has on the G9.2. Let us use Adobe presets as Picture modes.
That would be good.
I wish Auto ISO had a feature where lowest shutter-speed could be set to be a certain number stops below the reciprocal rule (to allow for IBIS). I believe Sony allows this.
Interesting and easily done, that would be nice to have.

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what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?
Perhaps but hardly significant. 33MPix would be nice, but can the performance be maintained, especially computational features?
29MP is as high as they can go before diffraction starts to impact IQ as early as F4.5. I don’t think Olympus is going to use a sensor that makes its most expensive lens diffraction limited at its widest aperture - even if IQ only takes a slight hit. I could be wrong though.
A faster processor would make HHHR more usable. Each new generation of semiconductors is around 20% faster than the previous one for the same power, and the OM-1 processor is already three years old.
You should see what it takes to cool the latest PC CPU offerings. That's insane. Heat is the challenge not speed. Speed can be had but at significant thermal cost I would think.
I'm hoping that the next gen OM-1 has much better C-AF+Tr tracking. Sony level would be nice.
That's certainly possible I would think.
This is really 1 of 2 things OMSystem should perfect. They made their IBIs the envy of the world, Worlds fastest tracking AF should be a high priority too, IMO.
I think OMDS should copy the Live LUT technology Panasonic has on the G9.2. Let us use Adobe presets as Picture modes.
That would be good.
Agreed, this is just software, and would be useful to many.
I wish Auto ISO had a feature where lowest shutter-speed could be set to be a certain number stops below the reciprocal rule (to allow for IBIS). I believe Sony allows this.
Interesting and easily done, that would be nice to have.
 
A faster processor would make HHHR more usable. Each new generation of semiconductors is around 20% faster than the previous one for the same power, and the OM-1 processor is already three years old.
You should see what it takes to cool the latest PC CPU offerings. That's insane. Heat is the challenge not speed. Speed can be had but at significant thermal cost I would think.
You're looking at the wrong end of the scale. What's relevant here for comparison is how the 15W laptop and embedded CPUs have progressed.
 
what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?
Perhaps but hardly significant. 33MPix would be nice, but can the performance be maintained, especially computational features?
29MP is as high as they can go before diffraction starts to impact IQ as early as F4.5. I don’t think Olympus is going to use a sensor that makes its most expensive lens diffraction limited at its widest aperture - even if IQ only takes a slight hit. I could be wrong though.
I keep hearing similar claims but there is no evidence of this (talking about there being no visible resolution advantage in going higher MP once past this theoretical limit), plus there are plenty of lenses in the system that are much faster than F4.5, so that is no excuse for not having higher res sensors. It's myths similar this persisting that have executives say higher res don't make sense for MFT (I remember some Olympus reps saying similar theories). From recent interviews, at least OM executives don't seem to hold to that any longer (their reasoning is their processors have not caught up yet).

I'd like to remind Sony had a 47MP 8K30p 4/3" sensor in its catalog since 2019 waiting for someone to use it:

 
what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?
Perhaps but hardly significant. 33MPix would be nice, but can the performance be maintained, especially computational features?
A faster processor would make HHHR more usable. Each new generation of semiconductors is around 20% faster than the previous one for the same power, and the OM-1 processor is already three years old.
You should see what it takes to cool the latest PC CPU offerings. That's insane. Heat is the challenge not speed. Speed can be had but at significant thermal cost I would think.
Actually, there have been some remarkable advances in the most current gen PC CPUs in terms of power usage,if you look at both Intel and Qualcomm (I'm not sure about AMD), if you are a PC user.

The Core Ultra 2 processors are hugely better in terms of running cooler and using less power than their predecessors, esp when doing AI utilizing software.

I just updated my 6 year old 14" laptop to a new i7 Core2 one and it is cool and quiet. And it runs AI assisted software very well, even without a dedicated GPU.

I also have a 16" i7 12th gen laptop with an RTX 3050....and the 14" new one even without a dedicated GPU is awfully close in performance, without the heavy breathing of the earlier gen one. (Note: I am talking about image processing rather than gaming. I would assume the dedicated GPU would still do better on those, but I don't game, so there's that :) )

I was actually so impressed with this, that I decided to sell the big laptop and the i7 13th gen desktop (which has a 3060Ti GPU) that I have, to trade for an i7 Core2 265 w/5060 GPU. The new one is much quieter, cooler, and, yes, faster than the previous gen desktop. And it does better on AI program functionality, and not by a little.

So, technology for image processing is really advancing significantly of late. It would not surprise me if this filtered its way into camera processors at some point, also.

-J
 
Considering my next camera purchase, OM-3 perhaps, but given it's only a nice to have thinking what do I do, wait for next gen or buy what's already there. I know, some of you will say if you wait you'll never buy as there will always be something new ahead, but to me it's more a matter of is it worth the wait question. Next gen may not bring anything that matters to me (like more video features for instance). So it begs the wonder; what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed to maintain current performance expectations; how is this likely possible (when is the last time you saw a doubling of your PC processing power without the heat repercussion)? So really what is reasonnable to expect, and by that I don't mean pipedreams and wishes detached from current realities, especially given limited R&D? What do you see coming in the next generation?
I'm at a point where the gear I have I can't see anything worthwhile to change to or want. Got an EM1 and the EM1 MKII and nothing in m4/3 has improved really for how I shoot or what with. So no point in what is coming next, but that's just a personal thing. With Sony I've got the 60mp sensor and that is certainly enough for what I want or need. So m4/3 and FF is covered with nothing I can see as an improvement this end. Different people, different needs and wants I guess.

Everyone is is different for sure and understand why some do want and to do what they would consider an upgrade. I hope everyone can gets what they want, but the point where camera gear is now, well it's not exactly lacking.

All the best and just a personal view.

Danny.
 
what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?
Perhaps but hardly significant. 33MPix would be nice, but can the performance be maintained, especially computational features?
29MP is as high as they can go before diffraction starts to impact IQ as early as F4.5. I don’t think Olympus is going to use a sensor that makes its most expensive lens diffraction limited at its widest aperture - even if IQ only takes a slight hit. I could be wrong though.
29MPix with a little diffraction still gives you more detail than 20MPix with zero diffraction. Diffraction increases gradually.

A faster processor would make HHHR more usable. Each new generation of semiconductors is around 20% faster than the previous one for the same power, and the OM-1 processor is already three years old.
You should see what it takes to cool the latest PC CPU offerings. That's insane. Heat is the challenge not speed. Speed can be had but at significant thermal cost I would think.
I'm hoping that the next gen OM-1 has much better C-AF+Tr tracking. Sony level would be nice.
That's certainly possible I would think.
This is really 1 of 2 things OMSystem should perfect. They made their IBIs the envy of the world, Worlds fastest tracking AF should be a high priority too, IMO.
I think OMDS should copy the Live LUT technology Panasonic has on the G9.2. Let us use Adobe presets as Picture modes.
That would be good.
Agreed, this is just software, and would be useful to many.
I wish Auto ISO had a feature where lowest shutter-speed could be set to be a certain number stops below the reciprocal rule (to allow for IBIS). I believe Sony allows this.
Interesting and easily done, that would be nice to have.
 
Of all the improvements that either Panasonic or OM could make to their cameras, sticky Sony-like auto-focus is the one that will make me sit up and squirm. We all take great photos with what we have, but we just want to take more of them, right?

No improvements in a camera are ever going to help us find more locations, the right weather, a better studio, better lighting, rarer insects, prettier people, more exotic countries, more magnificent sunsets or better birds. No, we have that and already take pictures of that - so personally I'd love some better auto-focus to take advantage of all those situations that I find or create 😁

Out of focus stuff is pretty much the most important subject when it comes to a lot of threads here - I'd love to have that sorted out for us.....
 
Considering my next camera purchase, OM-3 perhaps, but given it's only a nice to have thinking what do I do, wait for next gen or buy what's already there. I know, some of you will say if you wait you'll never buy as there will always be something new ahead, but to me it's more a matter of is it worth the wait question. Next gen may not bring anything that matters to me (like more video features for instance). So it begs the wonder; what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed to maintain current performance expectations; how is this likely possible (when is the last time you saw a doubling of your PC processing power without the heat repercussion)? So really what is reasonnable to expect, and by that I don't mean pipedreams and wishes detached from current realities, especially given limited R&D? What do you see coming in the next generation?
I'm at a point where the gear I have I can't see anything worthwhile to change to or want. Got an EM1 and the EM1 MKII and nothing in m4/3 has improved really for how I shoot or what with. So no point in what is coming next, but that's just a personal thing. With Sony I've got the 60mp sensor and that is certainly enough for what I want or need. So m4/3 and FF is covered with nothing I can see as an improvement this end. Different people, different needs and wants I guess.

Everyone is is different for sure and understand why some do want and to do what they would consider an upgrade. I hope everyone can gets what they want, but the point where camera gear is now, well it's not exactly lacking.

All the best and just a personal view.

Danny.
I feel exactly the same way. I have a couple of EM1's and they are more than adequate for what I'm shooting. I shoot a little macro, Travel and Portraiture, and some landscape, although if I were shooting a lot of landscape I would be looking at medium format anyway.
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I find that good technique allied to superb optics is far more effective in creating the images I want than any incremental advance in MPx.
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Some of the computational features and perhaps updated auto-focus features like standout human detect, might be useful for me, but I'm using manual focus a lot also, so advances in that area would grab my attention.
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Other than that, the advances are minuscule, and nothing that good technique and creative solutions cannot attend to... Looking for a new Weather-sealed PEN with top of the line specs however would interest me.

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Looking into my crystal ball, I don’t think there’s anything major coming down the pike that would make me regret buying an OM-3 today.

Next year, from OMS I think we’ll see…
  1. OM-10 - Likely a modest upgrade to the latest E-M10. USB-C, basic weather sealing (not IP53), etc. Hopefully, at a minimum, has better Subject Detection options even if the system isn't phase detect.
  2. OM-1 Mark III - This is a reach and I wouldn’t expect anything major here. Likely 25MP quad bayer sensor. Auto subject detection mode selection. CP Button. ND1000. Even better IP rating. Maybe a small top-panel LCD for basic ISO/Aperture/SS/EC settings. All of these would be to provide an even more "Pro" option, but would also better differentiate it from the OM-3.
  3. Special Edition OM-3 - Likely early next year to celebrate the OM-3's anniversary and to milk that camera's development as much as possible. A fun color of some sort, some fun accessories, but ultimately the same (great) camera.
If you're thinking LUMIX, I'm still holding out hope that we'll see a rangefinder-style body of some sort. Something retro and fun, leaning into their LUT system to compete with Fuji. Hopefully with a viewfinder. Likely competing most directly with the OM-3 in features and price.
 
what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?
Perhaps but hardly significant. 33MPix would be nice, but can the performance be maintained, especially computational features?
29MP is as high as they can go before diffraction starts to impact IQ as early as F4.5. I don’t think Olympus is going to use a sensor that makes its most expensive lens diffraction limited at its widest aperture - even if IQ only takes a slight hit. I could be wrong though.
I keep hearing similar claims but there is no evidence of this (talking about there being no visible resolution advantage in going higher MP once past this theoretical limit), plus there are plenty of lenses in the system that are much faster than F4.5, so that is no excuse for not having higher res sensors. It's myths similar this persisting that have executives say higher res don't make sense for MFT (I remember some Olympus reps saying similar theories). From recent interviews, at least OM executives don't seem to hold to that any longer (their reasoning is their processors have not caught up yet).

I'd like to remind Sony had a 47MP 8K30p 4/3" sensor in its catalog since 2019 waiting for someone to use it:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/84209...p-mft-sensor-capable-of-recording-8k30p-video



It’s just math. And technically 29.82MP is the limit for F4.5 on M43 sensors before diffraction sets in.
 
If you're thinking LUMIX, I'm still holding out hope that we'll see a rangefinder-style body of some sort. Something retro and fun, leaning into their LUT system to compete with Fuji. Hopefully with a viewfinder. Likely competing most directly with the OM-3 in features and price.
Ooooh yes pls!!!... A GX8 II please for Christmas, and maybe an OM PEN F for the new year :D (we can only hope! :P )

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Photography is poetry made visible; it is the art of painting with light!
 
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If you're thinking LUMIX, I'm still holding out hope that we'll see a rangefinder-style body of some sort. Something retro and fun, leaning into their LUT system to compete with Fuji. Hopefully with a viewfinder. Likely competing most directly with the OM-3 in features and price.
Ooooh yes pls!!!... A GX8 II please for Christmas, and maybe an OM PEN F for the new year :D (we can only hope! :P )
I would guess a PEN-F II is in the works, but given what OMS is saying, and with the 18-24 mo hardware development time that's common in the industry I wouldn't expect it in 2026 - more likely 2027. That would also give them time to milk the OM-3 a bit longer as well.
 
I think the most important next thing for OMS will be the OM-1 Mkiii. We already have the OM-3 and OM-5ii and the OM-1ii is a couple of years old now and a warmer of the OM-1i which was ~4 years ago.

I recall a post here about an interview with a senior OMS figure where they suggested that the pipeline doesn't contain a higher MP sensor any time soon. They currently regard 20MP as the optimum trade-off between MP and readout speed and the rest. Since the current sensor was fairly leading edge for their needs, I'm not expecting a new sensor yet or, if there is one, only minor improvements. I'd be delighted to be wrong but that seems to be the way the wind is blowing for OMS.

They suggested that the forthcoming developments are going to be mostly on the computational side. For that, they said they need more processing horsepower which is interesting because I vaguely recall the TruePic X having "power to spare" in the OM-1.

The TruePic X is around 4 years old now so I expect the OM-1.3 to have a TruePic XI. In 4 years, I would hope for at least a doubling of speed due to tech evolution. However, the TruePic XI could theoretically provide additional useful processing capacity if the architecture were enhanced by say a significant increase in cores. We don't know who develops (or manufactures) their processors so don't know what they might be able to draw on.

What they do with a bump in processing power remains to be seen. I would certainly hope, like others, for further gains in AF performance. There was also a patent for Astro with IS lenses - it would be nice to see that make it into production. I'd like to see the ability for processor-hungry tasks like HR or focus-stack shot integration be able to run in the background while you do something else like taking the next shot or switching modes.

I feel that OMS have recently made a lens statement with the 50-200/2.8 and a style statement with the OM-3; what they need next, IMO, is a tech statement in a new flagship camera. If they stick with the same sensor for it, use the same battery and retain the body - perhaps changes with dials but nothing more (there's little wrong with the OM-1ii HW for most users) then that should have helped to maximise the resources available for processor and related SW development.

As an aside, 2x TruePic XI in an OM-1X could be interesting, especially for white lens owners but I can't really see OMS at this stage deferring an OM-1.3 for a likely much lower volume OM-1X - the OM-1.xx is almost certainly their most critical camera line.
 
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what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed
Panasonic already has 25 MP on the GH7, so would that be too much to hope for?
Perhaps but hardly significant. 33MPix would be nice, but can the performance be maintained, especially computational features?
29MP is as high as they can go before diffraction starts to impact IQ as early as F4.5. I don’t think Olympus is going to use a sensor that makes its most expensive lens diffraction limited at its widest aperture - even if IQ only takes a slight hit. I could be wrong though.
I keep hearing similar claims but there is no evidence of this (talking about there being no visible resolution advantage in going higher MP once past this theoretical limit), plus there are plenty of lenses in the system that are much faster than F4.5, so that is no excuse for not having higher res sensors. It's myths similar this persisting that have executives say higher res don't make sense for MFT (I remember some Olympus reps saying similar theories). From recent interviews, at least OM executives don't seem to hold to that any longer (their reasoning is their processors have not caught up yet).

I'd like to remind Sony had a 47MP 8K30p 4/3" sensor in its catalog since 2019 waiting for someone to use it:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/84209...p-mft-sensor-capable-of-recording-8k30p-video
https://www.photopills.com/calculators/diffraction

It’s just math. And technically 29.82MP is the limit for F4.5 on M43 sensors before diffraction sets in.
 
Considering my next camera purchase, OM-3 perhaps, but given it's only a nice to have thinking what do I do, wait for next gen or buy what's already there. I know, some of you will say if you wait you'll never buy as there will always be something new ahead, but to me it's more a matter of is it worth the wait question. Next gen may not bring anything that matters to me (like more video features for instance). So it begs the wonder; what could the next generation possibly bring?

I don't believe a camera sensor revolution is around the corner. Significantly more megapixels would likely double the processing power needed to maintain current performance expectations; how is this likely possible (when is the last time you saw a doubling of your PC processing power without the heat repercussion)? So really what is reasonnable to expect, and by that I don't mean pipedreams and wishes detached from current realities, especially given limited R&D? What do you see coming in the next generation?
I assume your question is "what's coming next in MFT". I agree that it is very unlikely to have a camera with a brand new sensor or more megapixels any time soon. I expect OM System to continue to milk the sensor they got for a few years to come.

Apparently the current sensor's technology requires bigger battery and bigger space around it for heat dissipation. Not sure if that is the case but let's assume it is... That is the reason OM-3 is bigger and heavier than many expected. I personally am hoping for the OM-1/OM-3 tech in a OM-5 body - if they can pull this off it will be a return to the true value proposition of MFT: powerful but compact. I don't know if that comes next, only hoping.
 
I think the most important next thing for OMS will be the OM-1 Mkiii. We already have the OM-3 and OM-5ii and the OM-1ii is a couple of years old now and a warmer of the OM-1i which was ~4 years ago.

I recall a post here about an interview with a senior OMS figure where they suggested that the pipeline doesn't contain a higher MP sensor any time soon. They currently regard 20MP as the optimum trade-off between MP and readout speed and the rest. Since the current sensor was fairly leading edge for their needs, I'm not expecting a new sensor yet or, if there is one, only minor improvements. I'd be delighted to be wrong but that seems to be the way the wind is blowing for OMS.
sensors can always be tweaked.
look no further than LUMIX, the GH6, G9.2 & GH7 are all the same sensor, but also all 3 are different.

the GH6 version was brand new design and suffers from poor ISO performance.

the G9.2 was next and corrected this limitation, therefore does not suffer this technical degradation.

the GH7 is the latest iteration and improved the readout speed very-very slightly.

They suggested that the forthcoming developments are going to be mostly on the computational side. For that, they said they need more processing horsepower which is interesting because I vaguely recall the TruePic X having "power to spare" in the OM-1.

The TruePic X is around 4 years old now so I expect the OM-1.3 to have a TruePic XI. In 4 years, I would hope for at least a doubling of speed due to tech evolution. However, the TruePic XI could theoretically provide additional useful processing capacity if the architecture were enhanced by say a significant increase in cores. We don't know who develops (or manufactures) their processors so don't know what they might be able to draw on.

What they do with a bump in processing power remains to be seen. I would certainly hope, like others, for further gains in AF performance. There was also a patent for Astro with IS lenses - it would be nice to see that make it into production. I'd like to see the ability for processor-hungry tasks like HR or focus-stack shot integration be able to run in the background while you do something else like taking the next shot or switching modes.

I feel that OMS have recently made a lens statement with the 50-200/2.8 and a style statement with the OM-3; what they need next, IMO, is a tech statement in a new flagship camera. If they stick with the same sensor for it, use the same battery and retain the body - perhaps changes with dials but nothing more (there's little wrong with the OM-1ii HW for most users) then that should have helped to maximise the resources available for processor and related SW development.

As an aside, 2x TruePic XI in an OM-1X could be interesting, especially for white lens owners but I can't really see OMS at this stage deferring an OM-1.3 for a likely much lower volume OM-1X - the OM-1.xx is almost certainly their most critical camera line.

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Richard
 
I am guessing OM System will annonce a new camera in late January or early February 2026. What it will be is anyone's guess. It is too early for the 1, 3 or 5 series.

I would guess in early 2027 we will get a new the OM-1 Mk3. It will get a 25zmP quad Bayer sensor and a TruPic XI sensor. The new sensor is the same semor used in the DJI Mavic Pro 4 and 5 just like the current 20MP sensor was the same as the one used in the Mavic Pro 3.

Hopefully the OM-1 Mk3 will get some new computational features. Maybe astro-tracking usining its IBIS. Olympus has a patent for this. Anyhow, the OM-2 Mk3 will be expensive.
 

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