Canon less and less competitive on price/options in the UK?

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I've been on the fence for a while with Canon, looking for a compelling argument to go all in on the RF system and today I've decided to sell up and return to Sony, which is sad.

My main concern is the spiraling cost which together with the size/weight premium of many of the options compared to Sony makes it overall a very easy decision. Add to this the lack of so many compelling 3rd party and oem lenses for Sony mount like the new Tamron 25-200 2.8-5.6 and Sigma 20-200 and the uwa 14 and 16 1.8 not to mention the compact 14-24 2.8 and new 24-60 2.8 all at very competitive prices and generally smaller, lighter and weather sealed with excellent af motors just makes me feel Canon is becoming less and less interested in me as a customer. I was thinking of waiting for the rumored 300-600 4-5.6 before fully deciding, but I can only imagine this will be another £5-6k lens and for 1/3rd of a stop tele advantage compared to Sony 200-600 5.6-6.3, I've decided to cut my losses and move on.

Overall, I think the R5ii is probably a tiny bit more responsive than the a1ii, but I don't currently have a native Sony lens yet to confirm that, so I am going to assume once it does have a Sony oem lens attached it's going to be the same or better and that 3rd party will always be a little bit behind, price you pay! Even with the 3rd party lenses I have been impressed, but I do like the Canon R5ii and will miss it.

I thought I would like the RF 100-500 more than I do and I am now faced with some big decisions, add a series of f1.4 lenses, basically to get the better af, I'm not even that bothered about the 1.4, just the better af speed and build and was considering 20,35,85 and a 70-200 2.8 z at a mouth watering cost close to £9k.

Depending how I do it, the Sony 16mm 1.8 (Canon fast uwa only goes to 20 1.4 currently) 35 1.4 and 85 1.4 and 70-200 gmii 2.8+1.4x tc would cost close to £6k and if I went 3rd party for some of the options you can get the primes for roughly £2k or less and £2.5k for the native 70-200 gm ii and the 1.4x tc, roughly 50% or less.

That means I can also buy a 14-24/24-60 for my a7cr and also swap the 200-800 for a 200-600 with no real need for the 100-500, as the 70-200 will cover the low part of the range fitted to the lighter a7cr and 200-600(w/wo 1.4xtc) on the a1ii to replace the 200-800.

I don't suppose Canon will change their approach while people continue to pay what they charge but as it stands I feel Canon has pushed me away, also this will be permanent, at these prices this is a final switch and Canon will no longer be affordable to me anyway, even if I ever wanted to return, again which is very sad.
 
Not sure why you bought into Canon in the first place if the lenses described are what you desire. Sony has great options for sure and if you think that this will be the best setup for your needs you should definitely switch.

What I don't get: especially in the last months Canon has actually done the opposite of what you describe. Their influencers and actual available lenses cater more towards the "more affordable" and entry segment.

They released the 2.8 STM zooms, reinvented the 75-300, are rumored to come up with a 45mm 1.2 STM, will soon release a 20-50 4.0 while offering some good deals on bodies and sets. You can't expect them to match the pace and quality/price performance of the United Chinese lens manufacturers though. This will just not happen and is a viable reason to switch.
 
Not sure if you have pulled the trigger yet or not but check out the offers on camerapricebuster ... quite a few cash backs and rebates on Canon glass showed up today.

However, doesn't help if none of the those lenses are the ones you actually need/want.

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Not sure why you bought into Canon in the first place if the lenses described are what you desire.
When I bought in I was expecting a 70-200 that supports t/c at some stage, but this has been priced very high end, over £1k premium over Sony? The the 1.4 primes, I sort of expected more primes but again, we seem to be moving into very expensive territory, for example the Sony 20 1.8 is <50% of the Canon 20 1.4, I really don't know why Canon felt compelled to make a 20 1.4, especially at that price/cost. There have been rumors of a 200-500 f4, then 200-600 and now 300-600, the 100-500/200-800 were my stop gaps for now but I think the 200-600 is going to be L series exotic too with price to match.
Sony has great options for sure and if you think that this will be the best setup for your needs you should definitely switch.
I've been adding Sony gear slowly to gauge the transition.
What I don't get: especially in the last months Canon has actually done the opposite of what you describe. Their influencers and actual available lenses cater more towards the "more affordable" and entry segment.

They released the 2.8 STM zooms, reinvented the 75-300, are rumored to come up with a 45mm 1.2 STM, will soon release a 20-50 4.0 while offering some good deals on bodies and sets. You can't expect them to match the pace and quality/price performance of the United Chinese lens manufacturers though. This will just not happen and is a viable reason to switch.
Hmm, the 75-300 reinvented, you can't really compare that with the 28-70 2.8 release and the 45 1.2 at the rumored price feels a lot closer to the 75-300 than the 50 1.4. So, no, I don't agree that Canon are delivering on the "more affordable" front, just lenses I have no interest in. I want good quality lenses, similar to Sony G at affordable prices like Sony have been able to roll-out, that seems a reasonable thing for Canon to be able to achieve? Just to say, I do like the 28-70 2.8, its light/compact/wr and good af, so Canon can do it if they put their minds to it, plus I'm sure they could have included a lens hood for the extra £10 it would have cost them and charged an £20 on the box price!
 
Not sure if you have pulled the trigger yet or not but check out the offers on camerapricebuster ... quite a few cash backs and rebates on Canon glass showed up today.
I did see that, but I really want an a7cr equivalent and don't really want to run two, or currently 3 systems, so I'm going to lose Canon and probably Fuji and make the a7cr the compact set-up that can be used as a back-up second body to the a1ii.
However, doesn't help if none of the those lenses are the ones you actually need/want.
Like I say, the 200-600 fits better for me anyway, I like the 200-800 more than the 100-500 despite its better iq, its a bit short and a bit slow. Plus, new lenses like the 14-24 2.8 at 400gr just make the a7cr a much better option than I had ever expected.
 
I've been on the fence for a while with Canon, looking for a compelling argument to go all in on the RF system and today I've decided to sell up and return to Sony, which is sad.
If you've in fact done your due diligence and all of the lenses you're looking at are TRULY EQUIVALENT, then you should go. There are tons of happy users there, and they'll be able to help you out with all of your new choices.

Happy shooting!

R2
 
I've been on the fence for a while with Canon, looking for a compelling argument to go all in on the RF system and today I've decided to sell up and return to Sony, which is sad.
If you've in fact done your due diligence and all of the lenses you're looking at are TRULY EQUIVALENT, then you should go. There are tons of happy users there, and they'll be able to help you out with all of your new choices.

Happy shooting!
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R2

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