Opinions on D700 vs D810?

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Typing out the title itself felt odd, but that is my situation,

Put simply, I want to read your opinion on the D700 or D810, or both.##

For more context, or if you're curious: I currently have an XT3 which I have put up to be sold (it was bought used), mostly because I don't use the video features all that much, and the rose tinted glasses have shattered due to the black screen of death (had to get the motherboard replaced), at first I thought of getting the Z5 or Z6ii as a replacement since they are pretty cheap after the Z6iii and Z5ii came out. But the Z5 was pretty slow in just shot to shot blackout, which I only noticed cause I went to a shop and tried Z6ii Z5 and D850 back to back.

Honestly, I should've probably gone for Nikon from the start, since I did started learning on my dad's D80, which I wasn't allowed to keep (that is until I was allowed to, but I was in different country, plus even if he did send it by mail I wasn't too sure how customs would deal with it).

Then, looking at lenses I would've gotten then Nikkor Z 40mm F2 along with the Viltrox Air lens for wide angle. But, for AF-S lenses through the use of the FTZ adapter, I was quite conflicted because for small primes it'll add more volume (I don't care for weight), and then there was the AF/D lenses which cannot AF on Nikon's FTZ, while the LA-FZ1 is available now, it isn't compatible with AF-S lenses which means I'd need 2 specific adapters.

And THIS is where I looked into the D800, D810, and then looped to D700, I first checked what models were available and even checked if there were any brand new ones still available, which landed on a D810, has improvements over the D800/E, better ergonomics etc, but I'm mostly interested on the base ISO of 64, and supposedly faster AF. Dual card slots sounds assuring, though I did use only a singlular UHS-II SD card with my XT3, and it's not even the popular brands.**

Anyway, D700, 12MP, I checked, for my purposes 12MP is more than enough, the great thing about getting a D700 means I can have a bigger budget for my lenses.

**(if you have access to any Chinese e-commerce, it's brand is called miaopu, I got the blue one which handled the DCI 4K at 400mbps, so I guess it's fine).
 
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The D700 uses CF cards only, which aren't cheap if you want premium brands. The D810 has both CF and SD card slots, SD cards are relatively cheap and readily available, you probably have some already.
On an old DSC-R1, I use SDcard to CF adapters. They will take SDXC card without a problem (they will then get formatted as FAT32 instead of Exfat). On that old camera, there is no relevant speed loss over native CF cards. I cannot vouch how this would look for a D700. It may be worth a try (the adapters are about $12 or so). Probably not useful for burst or video.
Hi, I have actually tested this myself. I have a decently fast SanDisk 32GB CF card, and I compared it to an SD/CF adapter in which I put a similarly fast SanDisk 32GB SD card (both cards advertise 120MBps read speed, no write speed specified).
What does the adapter look like?

I just looked at the ones available here, and they seem to be quite old, or atleast using very old graphic designs, or there are some fancy Double microSD ones, and also a WIFI one, which I was kind of tempted, but nah, I might aswell plug the USB cable to a mini PC or sbc if I ever need instant access outside of the camera.
The one I use for DSC-R1 looks like this:

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It is probably quite dated, but it probably doesn't brake the Sony DSC-R1 (which probably is slower using CF compared to Memory Sticks by design because Sony wanted to sell people on Memory Sticks). I have no idea whether it uses even UHS I. What looks like flaked-off paint actually is just a stupidly star-studded design: there is actually transparent film on top of the print that would prevent any flaking.

I doubt you'll get much faster ones. Conceivably the adapters taking two micro-SD cards might exhibit a different speed, but who knows whether it will be faster or slower.

With this adapter, you still want to use micro-SD cards inside of an SD adapter instead of a full-size SDcard: the full-size SDcard will of course fit in, but you'll have a real hard time getting it out again since the rear side of the adapter does not have a similar cutout as the front side does.

micro-SD cards have a ridge you can use for pulling out.
I don't really agree there though, pretty much all SD cards have a little ridge on the edge, and I never had a problem pulling those cards out of mine.



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The D700 uses CF cards only, which aren't cheap if you want premium brands. The D810 has both CF and SD card slots, SD cards are relatively cheap and readily available, you probably have some already.
On an old DSC-R1, I use SDcard to CF adapters. They will take SDXC card without a problem (they will then get formatted as FAT32 instead of Exfat). On that old camera, there is no relevant speed loss over native CF cards. I cannot vouch how this would look for a D700. It may be worth a try (the adapters are about $12 or so). Probably not useful for burst or video.
Hi, I have actually tested this myself. I have a decently fast SanDisk 32GB CF card, and I compared it to an SD/CF adapter in which I put a similarly fast SanDisk 32GB SD card (both cards advertise 120MBps read speed, no write speed specified).
What does the adapter look like?

I just looked at the ones available here, and they seem to be quite old, or atleast using very old graphic designs, or there are some fancy Double microSD ones, and also a WIFI one, which I was kind of tempted, but nah, I might aswell plug the USB cable to a mini PC or sbc if I ever need instant access outside of the camera.
The one I use for DSC-R1 looks like this:

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It is probably quite dated, but it probably doesn't brake the Sony DSC-R1 (which probably is slower using CF compared to Memory Sticks by design because Sony wanted to sell people on Memory Sticks). I have no idea whether it uses even UHS I. What looks like flaked-off paint actually is just a stupidly star-studded design: there is actually transparent film on top of the print that would prevent any flaking.

I doubt you'll get much faster ones. Conceivably the adapters taking two micro-SD cards might exhibit a different speed, but who knows whether it will be faster or slower.

With this adapter, you still want to use micro-SD cards inside of an SD adapter instead of a full-size SDcard: the full-size SDcard will of course fit in, but you'll have a real hard time getting it out again since the rear side of the adapter does not have a similar cutout as the front side does.

micro-SD cards have a ridge you can use for pulling out.
I don't really agree with that, SD cards generally have a little ridge at the bottom to help them being pulled out (at least if you ahvea bit of a nail). I never had any problem pulling out my SD cards from that adapter.



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  • Alte wrote:
Anyway, I read that Z cameras that have shutters will only do electronic first curtain if silent mode is on, could that be another cause?
Bottom line is that only Nikon SB-5000, SB-500 and SB-700 flashes are fully compatible with Z cameras (menus). Since I have none of those, I either use my Z7ii for available light (or a variety of light modifiers) or I'll pick up one of my trusy DSLRs (usually th eD810 or D4).
Oh..... actually I've been looking at D4 prices and videos of it..... It might be even better to get the D4 instead of the D810, 12MP is enough, so 16MP is also enough, a great bonus is the high continuous drive for sports or trying to take a photo of flowy clothes while someone is dancing. Also, since I planned to get a battery grip for the D810 anyway, it saves the trouble of finding that, and this may look insignificant, but I'd love to have those backlit buttons, like the first time I got backlit keys on my own, very first laptop in 2017 a Dell Latitude E6410, oh and also the replacable battery clock is an amazing idea.

Buying an old beast rather than a slightly newer but 'weaker' one is probably the way to go. (Don't take it too literal, I don't know how else to say it)

And if I'm daring, I could get the one that has +500k clicks for about the price of three used 50mm f1.8 D.

On a side note, in my search for other posts about the D4 I see that your name has popped up quite often sir, I've only learned the basics with my dad on the Nikon D80, though I didn't get much time to tinker with the settings, so I mostly learned composition and changing the exposure on my phone, but I was still never satisfied. Looking at the education I have recieved so far, I feel like I would like to try the so called apprenticeship, but I guess I'll see this one to the end before I could even do that.

(A slightly annoying fact is my dad finally allowed me to use his Nikon D80, while I'm several hundreds of kilometers away from home :'') )

(honestly the E6410 was kind of outdated by the time, but I was rocking an actual laptop while some of my classmates paid the same price for a puny netbook that is ewaste unless they put some really light weight distro on it, my brother had one, which is probably why my dad got me a used laptop instead, and later on I opened that netbook up and found that everything except Wifi and HDD was soldered on.)
Although I really like the D4, a big camera like that is something you really need to grow into. By that, I mean try out another physically smaller camera first (although perhaps with more resolution). For many, a D810 is too much as well. That's why the D600, D610 and D750 were and are still popular.
I keep thinking the XT3 isn't big enough, though I'll go to a store to hand hold the D850 and D780, maybe the Z9 if I can't find a shop that has a D5 or D6.
I still think the D810 is more than enough for almost any photographer. If you're not able to get the kind of photo you want with a camera like that, then you simply can't blame the camera. It does more than a D4 can do for a fraction of the price. And although it can do 500K+ shutter releases, that's an indication of how much it's used -- perhaps we'll beyond what it should be! Although pros maintain their equipment, they really don't "take care" -- bumping into things, banging around the back seat of the car -- this happens to me all the time. That's the typical abuse a working pro puts on a camera. Any photographer with a camera over 500K that's still working is more lucky than smart.
Ah, I see, practically I would go for the 11k click one, which is very close to the price of the D810.
That D3 I have? In the eyes of whoever buys it from me, it's a piece of junk! The monitor doesn't work, it skips writing some files, it's "only" 12MP and I actually dint know for sure how many actuations it has because it reset itself somewhere around 480K three years ago! It's my kayaking camera because eventually it will take a dive, and when it does, I won't shed any tears. It's paid for itself over and over.

Go for the D810, and don't look back. Eventually you'll get something else as a backup. Whether that's a D700, a D5 or a Z8, it doesn't matter. The longer you wait, the less likely you'll end up with anything that will satisfy you. The grass on the other side of the fence is the same grass!!
Hoooh, alright, I guess I'll get the new old stock D810, an AF-S 50mm f1.4, and a Tamron 90mm f2.8, safe up for one of the holy trinity down the line.......

The biggest problem right now is selling my XT3, so I'll avoid watching or reading about cameras untill I sell it, I think I'll bundle in some other things like a camera bag that is kind of impractical for me, and also decrease the price a bit (already double checked the market price).
 
Hoooh, alright, I guess I'll get the new old stock D810, an AF-S 50mm f1.4, and a Tamron 90mm f2.8, safe up for one of the holy trinity down the line.......

The biggest problem right now is selling my XT3, so I'll avoid watching or reading about cameras untill I sell it, I think I'll bundle in some other things like a camera bag that is kind of impractical for me, and also decrease the price a bit (already double checked the market price).
don't forget that w/ the D810 you can also access a lot of pro lenses that may not be the most up to date holy trinity ones, but can fill the gap nicely while you save money - all of the old 80-200mm f2.8 AF pro versions are great even if slower in AF than the most up to date ones, I personally like the Tamron AF 28-75mm f2.8 more than the Nikkor AF 35-70mm versions I've been able to find

enjoy your d810!
 
Hoooh, alright, I guess I'll get the new old stock D810, an AF-S 50mm f1.4, and a Tamron 90mm f2.8, safe up for one of the holy trinity down the line.......

The biggest problem right now is selling my XT3, so I'll avoid watching or reading about cameras untill I sell it, I think I'll bundle in some other things like a camera bag that is kind of impractical for me, and also decrease the price a bit (already double checked the market price).
That might be the best decision for right now. I hope I didn't come down too hard on you; but sometimes we all need a kick in the butt to get is moving. Frankly, if money is a real concern, you're probably better off with a D700 or even D300/D300s.

It's taken me many years to find all the cameras and lenses I have. Some, I've paid too much for, but I've realized that I don't always "need" the latest and greatest. What's more important is that you use what you have. Putting the money you save into real life experiences like a trip, gas for the car or a night out with friends is more important, not only for good memories, but for great opportunities to enjoy your photography!

In fact, this discussion helped me make the decision to go back to some of my older, unused equipment and try some new things like using some new software features. I never use Adobe's Super Resolution feature before, but on 12MP images, it works pretty darn well. There's also lots of free feature-rich software out there like Rawtherapee, Darktable and Gimp, so you might want to check out those as well.

Sooner or later, you'll make the right decision. We don't mean to rush you as there'll always be some good deals out there. YOU have to be happy with what you do. Just don't spend all your money at once. Good luck on the sale of your camera, and happy shopping!
 
Parry Johnson wrote: I've realized that I don't always "need" the latest and greatest. What's more important is that you use what you have. Putting the money you save into real life experiences like a trip, gas for the car or a night out with friends is more important, not only for good memories, but for great opportunities to enjoy your photography!
Hear, hear!

Western society tends to focus too much on materialism, owning "stuff" instead of being grateful for- and using what one has. I don't covet the newest/fastest/shiniest/biggest anything. More of the good company of friends/family and being allowed to document it photographically with whatever camera I have got is really precious though.
 
Hoooh, alright, I guess I'll get the new old stock D810, an AF-S 50mm f1.4, and a Tamron 90mm f2.8, safe up for one of the holy trinity down the line.......

The biggest problem right now is selling my XT3, so I'll avoid watching or reading about cameras untill I sell it, I think I'll bundle in some other things like a camera bag that is kind of impractical for me, and also decrease the price a bit (already double checked the market price).
That might be the best decision for right now. I hope I didn't come down too hard on you; but sometimes we all need a kick in the butt to get is moving. Frankly, if money is a real concern, you're probably better off with a D700 or even D300/D300s.
It's fine, I think that was a good call, the D810 would be the safest bet, since Nikon didn't really make a D700 successor (possibly cause it cut into the D3 sales?), and I don't really have the money to shoulder losses if I end up buying a faulty copy from a second hand shop (though, admittedly the really clean D700 + battery grip is still available)
It's taken me many years to find all the cameras and lenses I have. Some, I've paid too much for, but I've realized that I don't always "need" the latest and greatest. What's more important is that you use what you have. Putting the money you save into real life experiences like a trip, gas for the car or a night out with friends is more important, not only for good memories, but for great opportunities to enjoy your photography!
I've also read anx even heard this advice IRL, I'm in a foreign country so no car for now, but I did go to an event with a friend, and even met a new friend, though that event is what confirmed my eyes are probably better suited for OVFs.
In fact, this discussion helped me make the decision to go back to some of my older, unused equipment and try some new things like using some new software features. I never use Adobe's Super Resolution feature before, but on 12MP images, it works pretty darn well. There's also lots of free feature-rich software out there like Rawtherapee, Darktable and Gimp, so you might want to check out those as well.
I've been using RawTherapee for all of my RAW editing so far, I might have tried Darktable but I forgot, I tried Digikam aswell but I felt that RawTherapee was more intuitive for me. So far I don't think super resolution is very neccessary, the few times I think I need it is when I took some shots of the moon, and my lenses ain't long enough :') .
Sooner or later, you'll make the right decision. We don't mean to rush you as there'll always be some good deals out there. YOU have to be happy with what you do. Just don't spend all your money at once. Good luck on the sale of your camera, and happy shopping!
Annoyingly for the current me, when I got the initial money I was careful with spending, but I think my mental state wasn't in the best at the time soon after, as I ended up buying way too many little trinkets. It wasn't the first time I was on my own far from home, but it was the first time I was far from home and had an emotional turmoil caused by a 'friend', I think I've mostly recovered as I found peace while taking the camera for a walk in nature, cause I noticed that I had more intent in the photos (but still hit or miss in the framing, but that's fine).

Thank you for the advice.
 

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