TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup. My widest is the Sigma 12-24 ART with shaved hood, but I haven't come across an EF-GFX connector that incorporates movements, and while I do have an EF-E adapter with shift and tilt (unlike this new lens) there is no way to adjust aperture on-the-fly.









vs the Canon:








Canon TSE 17 MTF

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The tilt and shift mechanisms are not independent, coupled 90 degrees from each other. The Canon 17mm has them independent.

Also the range is limited on the Ttartisan. With full shift or full tilt, the other is limited to 4 units of movement I read. I haven't seen many test images. But I am generally not excited by wide angle shift lenses.

Alternative cheap shift only lenses include the Laowa 15mm and 20mm lenses for Gfx mount. So you do have options.

I did get an ols used Nikon 19mm shift lens, which isn't that bad for small, compact low to the ground images. The "dogs view". So I have that lens range covered.

dbateman said:

The tilt and shift mechanisms are not independent, coupled 90 degrees from each other. The Canon 17mm has them independent.

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Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot this was typical for non-Canon lenses. For longer lenses like the classic TSE 90mm I never adjusted the orientation because times I would use both would for photo stitching landscapes. Wider lenses though, the more useful the reorient feature, especially UWA shooting low to the ground wanting a level camera to keep verticals straight.

dbateman said:

Alternative cheap shift only lenses include the Laowa 15mm and 20mm lenses for Gfx mount. So you do have options.

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Tilt is the more critical feature for me, I do landscapes with prominent foreground features (flowers mostly). Earlier in season the smaller the blossoms = greater importance on wider lenses with tilt. For my GFX the shaved Sigma 12-24 Art covers from 13.5mm on, while in the case of e-mount on my Fotodiox adapter I can shift four millimeters even at 12mm and full shift (10mm) becomes possible by 14mm. Alas, tilt and shift (& aperture!) are locked at 90 degrees here as well.

Well... I have had one on my GFX100S for a couple of days [fyi I was asked to test it, because they [TTA] know my tilt/shift book]

I'll be doing some more detailed testing and seeing how it compares with my adapted TS-E17

On the GFX, it's limited to up/down shift and left/right tilt [camera in landscape mode]

±8mm shift and 8º of tilt [not at the same time] - T/S axes fixed at 90º

My first quick tests show very good image quality, right to the corners when shifted up.

So - many will dismiss it as fatally flawed due to assorted [mostly mechanical] limitations.

BUT for just over $500, it actually fits over 85% of my potential usage, as an architectural photographer. Too wide on GFX for most of my 'landscape' uses [Fuji 30mm TS does me well]

I want to check the image quality in more detail, but I suspect, even at ~1kg it will earn a place in my extended lens collection to consider for some jobs

I rarely ever use tilt in my work, so the feature [of the 35mm mount versions] I'll most miss is the ability to rotate the mount to use diagonal shift, with left/right stitching. But I can do that nicely on all my longer T/S lenses, or even put the TS-E17 on the R5.

Very much a 'does it do what you need' lens - I expect great harrumphing about its 'failings' in some quarters

Some quick examples and observations about the lens

TLDW Quality great - physical movement limitations will be a showstopper or irrelevant depending on what you want to do with it...



Hope it's of interest

Keith Cooper said:

Some quick examples and observations about the lens

TLDW Quality great - physical movement limitations will be a showstopper or irrelevant depending on what you want to do with it...
Hope it's of interest

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Thank you, as always, Keith.

Chez Wimpy said:

TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup.

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I realize that 17mm is substantially wider than 20mm, and $1099 is substantially more than $509. But all things considered, especially the limitation of the tilt relative to the shift, I wonder whether the most appropriate comparison is between the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift and the Venus Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift. The Venus Laowa comes with a native GF mount (among several others). Any experiences or thoughts?

NAwlins Contrarian said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup.

Click to expand...

I realize that 17mm is substantially wider than 20mm, and $1099 is substantially more than $509. But all things considered, especially the limitation of the tilt relative to the shift, I wonder whether the most appropriate comparison is between the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift and the Venus Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift. The Venus Laowa comes with a native GF mount (among several others). Any experiences or thoughts?

Click to expand...

I would add the Laowa 15mm Zero-D shift to the list. A bit wider, rotates (while the TTartisan does not), but does not offer tilt. I have the Laowo 15mm a like it a lot. The Laowa 20mm was a even little better, but does not offer the extreme experience you get from the Laowa 15mm.

Roswitz said:

Roswitz said:

Roswitz said:

TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup.

Click to expand...

I realize that 17mm is substantially wider than 20mm, and $1099 is substantially more than $509. But all things considered, especially the limitation of the tilt relative to the shift, I wonder whether the most appropriate comparison is between the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift and the Venus Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift. The Venus Laowa comes with a native GF mount (among several others). Any experiences or thoughts?

Click to expand...

I would add the Laowa 15mm Zero-D shift to the list. A bit wider, rotates (while the TTartisan does not), but does not offer tilt. I have the Laowo 15mm a like it a lot. The Laowa 20mm was a even little better, but does not offer the extreme experience you get from the Laowa 15mm.

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On one hand: good catch, I didn't realize the Laowa 15mm shift was available in GF or Hasselblad X mount.

On the other hand: that seems to me far wider than is useful. I think Fuji chose the most useful shift focal length with the GF 30mm tilt-shift. Sure there are uses for something wider, but even 20mm on 44x33mm is wider than seems very useful to me, and of course 15mm is 33% wider than 20mm.

NAwlins Contrarian said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup.

Click to expand...

I realize that 17mm is substantially wider than 20mm, and $1099 is substantially more than $509. But all things considered, especially the limitation of the tilt relative to the shift, I wonder whether the most appropriate comparison is between the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift and the Venus Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift. The Venus Laowa comes with a native GF mount (among several others). Any experiences or thoughts?

Click to expand...

I would add the Laowa 15mm Zero-D shift to the list. A bit wider, rotates (while the TTartisan does not), but does not offer tilt. I have the Laowo 15mm a like it a lot. The Laowa 20mm was a even little better, but does not offer the extreme experience you get from the Laowa 15mm.

Click to expand...

On one hand: good catch, I didn't realize the Laowa 15mm shift was available in GF or Hasselblad X mount.

On the other hand: that seems to me far wider than is useful. I think Fuji chose the most useful shift focal length with the GF 30mm tilt-shift. Sure there are uses for something wider, but even 20mm on 44x33mm is wider than seems very useful to me, and of course 15mm is 33% wider than 20mm.

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In some situations the Laowa 15mm can be very useful



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Roswitz said:

In some situations the Laowa 15mm can be very useful

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That's astonishingly good, especially considering you flat stitched images together (right?) The level of detail, and the lack of smearing, is amazing.

The photo is wonderful too of course! I didn't expect to find the two urchins at top right.

Rob de Loe said:

Roswitz said:

In some situations the Laowa 15mm can be very useful

View attachment 2b8c70a7256a484494fff61a139aaa58.jpg

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That's astonishingly good, especially considering you flat stitched images together (right?) The level of detail, and the lack of smearing, is amazing.

The photo is wonderful too of course! I didn't expect to find the two urchins at top right.

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No stitching, just one shot shifted downwards

NAwlins Contrarian said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup.

Click to expand...

I realize that 17mm is substantially wider than 20mm, and $1099 is substantially more than $509. But all things considered, especially the limitation of the tilt relative to the shift, I wonder whether the most appropriate comparison is between the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift and the Venus Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift. The Venus Laowa comes with a native GF mount (among several others). Any experiences or thoughts?

Click to expand...

I would add the Laowa 15mm Zero-D shift to the list. A bit wider, rotates (while the TTartisan does not), but does not offer tilt. I have the Laowo 15mm a like it a lot. The Laowa 20mm was a even little better, but does not offer the extreme experience you get from the Laowa 15mm.

Click to expand...

On one hand: good catch, I didn't realize the Laowa 15mm shift was available in GF or Hasselblad X mount.

On the other hand: that seems to me far wider than is useful. I think Fuji chose the most useful shift focal length with the GF 30mm tilt-shift. Sure there are uses for something wider, but even 20mm on 44x33mm is wider than seems very useful to me, and of course 15mm is 33% wider than 20mm.

Click to expand...

Yes, I have tested these -

https://www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-laowa-15mm-shift-g-mount-lens/

And yes 'too wide' did occur to me ;-)

But this from just the other side of a street, and its appreciation by some architects I know] really convinced me that it could have uses.





For the 20mm, I only tested the RF mount version.

https://www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-laowa-20mm-shift-lens-f4/

I'll be doing some direct TTA17 comparisons with my TS-E17 on the 100S

I'd like to see a 24mm TS from Fujifilm - partly because I know that many of my 'signature' architectural images were taken with the TS-E17 on a 1Ds3, 5DS and my adapted TS-E24 is just a little soft on the GFX at strong shift.

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bye for now
Keith Cooper

Roswitz said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

Roswitz said:

Roswitz said:

Roswitz said:

TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup.

Click to expand...

I realize that 17mm is substantially wider than 20mm, and $1099 is substantially more than $509. But all things considered, especially the limitation of the tilt relative to the shift, I wonder whether the most appropriate comparison is between the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift and the Venus Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift. The Venus Laowa comes with a native GF mount (among several others). Any experiences or thoughts?

Click to expand...

I would add the Laowa 15mm Zero-D shift to the list. A bit wider, rotates (while the TTartisan does not), but does not offer tilt. I have the Laowo 15mm a like it a lot. The Laowa 20mm was a even little better, but does not offer the extreme experience you get from the Laowa 15mm.

Click to expand...

On one hand: good catch, I didn't realize the Laowa 15mm shift was available in GF or Hasselblad X mount.

On the other hand: that seems to me far wider than is useful. I think Fuji chose the most useful shift focal length with the GF 30mm tilt-shift. Sure there are uses for something wider, but even 20mm on 44x33mm is wider than seems very useful to me, and of course 15mm is 33% wider than 20mm.

Click to expand...

In some situations the Laowa 15mm can be very useful

View attachment 2b8c70a7256a484494fff61a139aaa58.jpg

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Lovely shot!

Roswitz said:

Rob de Loe said:

Roswitz said:

In some situations the Laowa 15mm can be very useful

View attachment 2b8c70a7256a484494fff61a139aaa58.jpg

Click to expand...

That's astonishingly good, especially considering you flat stitched images together (right?) The level of detail, and the lack of smearing, is amazing.

The photo is wonderful too of course! I didn't expect to find the two urchins at top right.

Click to expand...

No stitching, just one shot shifted downwards

Click to expand...

The file you posted has resolution 12630x9860? Why did you uprez?

Keith Cooper said:

NAwlins Contrarian said:

Keith Cooper said:

Keith Cooper said:

Keith Cooper said:

TTArtisan Tilt-Shift 17mm F4 ASPH.

Any thoughts on this one? MTF out to FF corners looks solid compared to the Canon (15+ years can do that!) and it is about 1/5th the price. Very, very tempted, this would round out my landscape lens lineup.

Click to expand...

I realize that 17mm is substantially wider than 20mm, and $1099 is substantially more than $509. But all things considered, especially the limitation of the tilt relative to the shift, I wonder whether the most appropriate comparison is between the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift and the Venus Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift. The Venus Laowa comes with a native GF mount (among several others). Any experiences or thoughts?

Click to expand...

I would add the Laowa 15mm Zero-D shift to the list. A bit wider, rotates (while the TTartisan does not), but does not offer tilt. I have the Laowo 15mm a like it a lot. The Laowa 20mm was a even little better, but does not offer the extreme experience you get from the Laowa 15mm.

Click to expand...

On one hand: good catch, I didn't realize the Laowa 15mm shift was available in GF or Hasselblad X mount.

On the other hand: that seems to me far wider than is useful. I think Fuji chose the most useful shift focal length with the GF 30mm tilt-shift. Sure there are uses for something wider, but even 20mm on 44x33mm is wider than seems very useful to me, and of course 15mm is 33% wider than 20mm.

Click to expand...

Yes, I have tested these -

https://www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-laowa-15mm-shift-g-mount-lens/

And yes 'too wide' did occur to me ;-)

But this from just the other side of a street, and its appreciation by some architects I know] really convinced me that it could have uses.





For the 20mm, I only tested the RF mount version.

https://www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-laowa-20mm-shift-lens-f4/

I'll be doing some direct TTA17 comparisons with my TS-E17 on the 100S

I'd like to see a 24mm TS from Fujifilm - partly because I know that many of my 'signature' architectural images were taken with the TS-E17 on a 1Ds3, 5DS and my adapted TS-E24 is just a little soft on the GFX at strong shift.

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looking forward to your comparison with the Canon 17mm TSE as that is my favorite wide angle lens on the 100sII

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Rob de Loe said:

Roswitz said:

Rob de Loe said:

Roswitz said:

In some situations the Laowa 15mm can be very useful

View attachment 2b8c70a7256a484494fff61a139aaa58.jpg

Click to expand...

That's astonishingly good, especially considering you flat stitched images together (right?) The level of detail, and the lack of smearing, is amazing.

The photo is wonderful too of course! I didn't expect to find the two urchins at top right.

Click to expand...

No stitching, just one shot shifted downwards

Click to expand...

The file you posted has resolution 12630x9860? Why did you uprez?

Click to expand...

That’s just the added frame.

Roswitz said:

Rob de Loe said:

Roswitz said:

Rob de Loe said:

Roswitz said:

In some situations the Laowa 15mm can be very useful

View attachment 2b8c70a7256a484494fff61a139aaa58.jpg

Click to expand...

That's astonishingly good, especially considering you flat stitched images together (right?) The level of detail, and the lack of smearing, is amazing.

The photo is wonderful too of course! I didn't expect to find the two urchins at top right.

Click to expand...

No stitching, just one shot shifted downwards

Click to expand...

The file you posted has resolution 12630x9860? Why did you uprez?

Click to expand...

That’s just the added frame.

Click to expand...

Dh'o! Of course.