The M43 problem - It too good to abandon

I can't be the only person whose m4/3s kit is irreplaceable. No other manufacturer produces a camera and lens combination that meets my criteria of performance , price and weight.
Both my MFT and FE kits are “irreplaceable” through specific choices. Matching my walk around FE kit would cost the same as I paid for the FE body plus lens, with lower resolution and DR for a kit weight of 1.35kg MFT and 1.00kg FE. The MFT lens has a small amount more light gathering but a much shorter FL range.

Matching my GM1 or OM5 kits is not possible in FF in terms of weight or cost. The OM1 is the cheapest fast readout sensor body with subject recognition and smaller tele lenses available. However, it’s readout speed is much less than FF flagships and it’s AF system is not class leading - still the OM1 is for me.

MFT tele lenses can be expensive - for example the new OM 50-200/2.8 is £2,999 and the Sony 100-400 GM is £2,149. The GM gathers more light at the wide end and can be mounted on much higher resolution bodies. I bought a used 300/4 on weight grounds instead of a discounted 200-600mm G. The used MFT lens was 25% more expensive than the new FE one, but much lighter.

So, for any individual buyer, which is best depends on uses and priorities. There is no inevitability of MFT being lighter, cheaper and better than FF. Being a dual mount user of the two mounts with the largest selection of bodies and lenses, and the largest inventories of used kit, is a plus for me.

You will note that in my first post, I celebrated OP’s happiness with his kit, something that I share. I’m pleased that attempts to start a fight with other system users haven’t sparked the usual car crash, but there is still time before the thread maxes out.

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Just note that the OM 50-200/2.8 is an internal zoom, and a bit lighter than the Sony. Of course, putting the Sony 100-400 on one of their high resolution bodies allows for significant cropping, but in that case the equivalent aperture becomes much smaller.
APSC crop is similar to using an MC14 in effect, but with 26Mpix.

Once I use a shoulder strap screwed into the foot, weight comes down to how long I can point the lens in the right direction which is fine with the GM. I need the Sony grip extension on the A7CR but the body is still some gm lighter than an OM1. The big difference is the stacked sensor.

I like internal zooms, but that’s a lot extra to pay to get one.

In the end, it all depends on specifics. In this case, my point was that MFT can be a lot more expensive. The same is true for primes that gather a lot of light - the 17/1.2 is currently £999 and the Viltrox 35/1.2 in FE £869, although I paid £770 launch price for mine.

The LAB is a whopper because it gathers so much more light and provides more subject isolation than the OM lens. It is optically excellent, with very little LoCA and only just enough SA to give decent background bokeh. You can get a Sigma 35/2 for £579, although I paid less on discount before Sigma realised how competitive the i-series are. Despite the heavy use of metal and all the controls, the Sigma is lighter than the MFT lens and performs really well at f2.2.

Now the 40-150/2.8 happened to be discounted the day I picked up the GM. I was planning on buying a used 35-100/2.8 but the 40-150mm swayed me. I’ve never regretted it, and it goes head-to-head with the GM at 150/300mm until sensor resolution starts to matter. Internal zoom and focus is great.
I do hope the next OM flagship can hit the 1/200s mark of the Nikon cameras, and drop the mechanical shutter altogether. I am torn, however, between getting a 25-33mp sensor at 1/200s or a 20mp global shutter. Because a global shutter eliminates the need for high speed sync.
Resolution and DR matter more to me, but I guess I’d get an A9iii and A1ii if money and storage space were irrelevant. Pretty happy with OM5, OM1 and A7CR.
And I hope that they are working on a next generation OM-1. Update the sensor, improve the AF. And fix some of their weak UI design. I would easily put up over $3000 for something like that.
I’m more likely to buy an OM1 ii as a mk i upgrade or add an OM3, whichever is cheaper used in a year or so.
If they put out a camera like that, then I would also be willing to buy a 400mm f/2.8 lens (if they could keep the weight in line with similar FF lenses). Because I photograph a lot of small birds, and even at 500mm I have to crop to 3072x2048. Luckily, we have software that supports such heavy cropping.
That all makes sense.

Landscape is my thing.

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Landscape is my thing.

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If landscape is your thing, then I see no reason to stay with MFT. A high resolution FF body and a UWA and extended normal zoom are all you really need. That is why I bought a Nikon Z7 and the 14-30/4 and 24-70/4 (and then the 14-120/4). But that was a mistake, because Nikon doesn't have live view zebras and blown highlights were always an issue. Plus I had huge issues with image review on the Nikon, and they never updated their custom sets interface.

I'm probably going to get a Sony eventually, but l'm fine with MFT for the moment.
 
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There is no rational reason to buy a camera today, that you do not need nor use.
AGREE !

Fifteen years ago I bought a used Olympus DSLR as a ‘spare’ for my favourite model at the time. The price was good but it never got used.
$500 lesson learned and mistake never made again!

My E-M1II is used in the damp night air shooting Astro for hours. I have the three C modes configured precisely for my Astro needs.

My E-M1III has the 12-100mm f/4 attached most of the time and gets a lot of general use.
I also use it for birding with adapted lenses. It’s my first choice for travel

I’m comfortable knowing that my two m4/3 cameras are productively in use and not gathering dust.

Peter
I'm surprised you don't use the E-M1iii for Starry Sky AF. I don't use my focus aids anymore because that mode rocks. You can use a smartphone and O.I.Share app to reload custom sets between Astro shoots and other use.
Starry Sky AF is not available with the lenses I use … Olympus 300/2.8, 150/2 and Canon EF300/2.8

I don’t like or use any of the mobile apps. I keep wifi off to save battery

I use OM capture with a cable tether - comprehensive camera control and less battery drain and Capture’s remote MF control gives me precise focus


Peter
 
Landscape is my thing.

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If landscape is your thing, then I see no reason to stay with MFT. A high resolution FF body and a UWA and extended normal zoom are all you really need. That is why I bought a Nikon Z7 and the 14-30/4 and 24-70/4 (and then the 14-120/4). But that was a mistake, because Nikon doesn't have live view zebras and blown highlights were always an issue. Plus I had huge issues with image review on the Nikon, and they never updated their custom sets interface.

I'm probably going to get a Sony eventually, but l'm fine with MFT for the moment.
See gear list for details.

I still use MFT because it does some things better.

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Landscape is my thing.

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If landscape is your thing, then I see no reason to stay with MFT. A high resolution FF body and a UWA and extended normal zoom are all you really need. That is why I bought a Nikon Z7 and the 14-30/4 and 24-70/4 (and then the 14-120/4). But that was a mistake, because Nikon doesn't have live view zebras and blown highlights were always an issue. Plus I had huge issues with image review on the Nikon, and they never updated their custom sets interface.

I'm probably going to get a Sony eventually, but l'm fine with MFT for the moment.
Picked up A7r2 42MP may this year for townscapes cityscapes with lots of detail also for low light autumn winter gets dark 4pmish.

Went to Horizon 22 highrise viewing platform overlooking a busy part of London. 7r2 + Canon 28-135mm adapted, Gx7 + 14-150 og the slow droopy. Preferred stacked in software Gx7 photos even when pixel peeping. Also narrowness of 7r2 2:3 vertical ratio was uncomfortable viewing for me.

If I could afford Gfx100mk1 4:3 ratio currently £2.5k with warranty + say Gf32-64 approx £1.5K with warranty I'd forget all about any 3:2 full frame for townscape cityscape.
 
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Agree.
 

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Viltrox, Sigma and Tamron don’t give the system the time of day with their new, innovative products.
Wish Yongnuo 11mm F1.8 AutoFocus is in m4/3 mount. Only available in aps-c. Ho hum. 🤷‍♂️ Yongnuo have in m4/3 autofocus 12-35/2.8-4 AF, 25mm f/1.7 AF and 42.5mm f/1.7 AF are in m4/3.

DJi 15mm f/1.7 AF in m4/3 PanaLeica knock off is quite tempting for moi.

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Photography after all is interplay of light alongside perspective.
 
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Other evidence that MFT is fine is you still have tons of third party manufacturers producing new lenses for the system. Why would they bother if the system was dying?
Excellent point.
Which third parties outside the manual lenses where all you need to do is change the mount? Laowa?

Viltrox, Sigma and Tamron don’t give the system the time of day with their new, innovative products.
Don't tell my you're not over the moon with Yongnuo's, um, "substantial" 17mm f1.8 - or was it 1.7? ... - autofocus-equipped (thank you very much!) NEXT BIG stepping stone to ILC glory.

Still, the going is tough because, let's face it, no one needs anything other than the most perfect, patience-strengthening m43 lens ever created: the Lumix 20mm f1.7... or if you're on a tighter schedule, the world's best Leica knock off ever, the DjI 15mm f1.7.

In Yongnuo's ingenuity, drone-maker clone-maker extraordinaire, and ancient pancakes, we (must) trust.

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"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight." - Titanic musician before their final song
 
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The allied problem is that I have too much of it - replacing my current lenses (14 I think) would cost too much, especially in FF.
 
Landscape is my thing.

A
If landscape is your thing, then I see no reason to stay with MFT. A high resolution FF body and a UWA and extended normal zoom are all you really need. That is why I bought a Nikon Z7 and the 14-30/4 and 24-70/4 (and then the 14-120/4). But that was a mistake, because Nikon doesn't have live view zebras and blown highlights were always an issue. Plus I had huge issues with image review on the Nikon, and they never updated their custom sets interface.

I'm probably going to get a Sony eventually, but l'm fine with MFT for the moment.
Picked up A7r2 42MP may this year for townscapes cityscapes with lots of detail also for low light autumn winter gets dark 4pmish.

Went to Horizon 22 highrise viewing platform overlooking a busy part of London. 7r2 + Canon 28-135mm adapted,
Do you have an even older and weaker lens for comparison?

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Gx7 + 14-150 og the slow droopy. Preferred stacked in software Gx7 photos even when pixel peeping. Also narrowness of 7r2 2:3 vertical ratio was uncomfortable viewing for me.
Modern digital cameras allow you to select the aspect ratio of a photograph and immediately display it in that format in the viewfinder.
If I could afford Gfx100mk1 4:3 ratio currently £2.5k with warranty + say Gf32-64 approx £1.5K with warranty I'd forget all about any 3:2 full frame for townscape cityscape.
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Alex
 
Landscape is my thing.

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If landscape is your thing, then I see no reason to stay with MFT. A high resolution FF body and a UWA and extended normal zoom are all you really need. That is why I bought a Nikon Z7 and the 14-30/4 and 24-70/4 (and then the 14-120/4). But that was a mistake, because Nikon doesn't have live view zebras and blown highlights were always an issue. Plus I had huge issues with image review on the Nikon, and they never updated their custom sets interface.

I'm probably going to get a Sony eventually, but l'm fine with MFT for the moment.
Picked up A7r2 42MP may this year for townscapes cityscapes with lots of detail also for low light autumn winter gets dark 4pmish.

Went to Horizon 22 highrise viewing platform overlooking a busy part of London. 7r2 + Canon 28-135mm adapted, Gx7 + 14-150 og the slow droopy. Preferred stacked in software Gx7 photos even when pixel peeping.
Do you have an even older and weaker lens for comparison?
It's about as weak as Og Pany 14-150/4-5.8 I photographed with at the same time on my Gx7 has AA filter, 7r2 no AA filter.

I'm keeping my 7r2 pair it with a sharper affordable for me adapted lens.
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Also narrowness of 7r2 2:3 vertical ratio was uncomfortable viewing for me.
Modern digital cameras allow you to select the aspect ratio of a photograph and immediately display it in that format in the viewfinder.
I could also compose wider thereafter crop in I'm just not used to doing this feels unnatural for me having never done so on my various ff aps-c dslrs mirrorless. On my 7r2 can crop to aps-c 18MP in camera still 3:2 2:3 ratio.
If I could afford Gfx100mk1 4:3 ratio currently £2.5k with warranty + say Gf32-64 approx £1.5K with warranty I'd forget all about any 3:2 full frame for townscape cityscape.
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Photography after all is interplay of light alongside perspective.
 
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Landscape is my thing.

A
If landscape is your thing, then I see no reason to stay with MFT. A high resolution FF body and a UWA and extended normal zoom are all you really need. That is why I bought a Nikon Z7 and the 14-30/4 and 24-70/4 (and then the 14-120/4). But that was a mistake, because Nikon doesn't have live view zebras and blown highlights were always an issue. Plus I had huge issues with image review on the Nikon, and they never updated their custom sets interface.

I'm probably going to get a Sony eventually, but l'm fine with MFT for the moment.
Picked up A7r2 42MP may this year for townscapes cityscapes with lots of detail also for low light autumn winter gets dark 4pmish.

Went to Horizon 22 highrise viewing platform overlooking a busy part of London. 7r2 + Canon 28-135mm adapted, Gx7 + 14-150 og the slow droopy. Preferred stacked in software Gx7 photos even when pixel peeping.
Do you have an even older and weaker lens for comparison?
It's about as weak as Og Pany 14-150/4-5.8 I photographed with at the same time on my Gx7 has AA filter, 7r2 no AA filter.

I'm keeping my 7r2 pair it with a sharper affordable for me adapted lens.
With a sharp lens, even at an open aperture , the A7rII will be sharper than any single frame from the M43 and about the same level as the high-res mode, with the only difference being that the high-res is available in any situation.
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Also narrowness of 7r2 2:3 vertical ratio was uncomfortable viewing for me.
Modern digital cameras allow you to select the aspect ratio of a photograph and immediately display it in that format in the viewfinder.
I could also compose wider thereafter crop in I'm just not used to doing this
Apply the protective film to the screen and draw 4:3 guide lines with a thin black marker
Load it into your software with the preset: crop 4:3. Amen
feels unnatural for me having never done so on my various ff aps-c dslrs mirrorless. On my 7r2 can crop to aps-c 18MP in camera still 3:2 2:3 ratio.
If I could afford Gfx100mk1 4:3 ratio currently £2.5k with warranty + say Gf32-64 approx £1.5K with warranty I'd forget all about any 3:2 full frame for townscape cityscape.
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Alex
 
Feels like the discussion has gone a bit off. I use full frame and phone camera's too but I don't keep pushing them on people.

I definitely don't feel like I need more megapixels for landscapes. I can't tell the difference between 60 and 24 tbh on my monitor without cropping in

There must be a reason I keep grabbing my GX9 and 14-140 or I wouldn't use them. Just like there's a reason I stick with M43 for birds instead of buying a long telephoto for my full frame camera.

For me it's too good to abandon
 
Picked up A7r2 42MP may this year for townscapes cityscapes with lots of detail also for low light autumn winter gets dark 4pmish.

Went to Horizon 22 highrise viewing platform overlooking a busy part of London. 7r2 + Canon 28-135mm adapted, Gx7 + 14-150 og the slow droopy. Preferred stacked in software Gx7 photos even when pixel peeping.
Do you have an even older and weaker lens for comparison?
It's about as weak as Og Pany 14-150/4-5.8 I photographed with at the same time on my Gx7 has AA filter, 7r2 no AA filter.

I'm keeping my 7r2 pair it with a sharper affordable for me adapted lens.
With a sharp lens, even at an open aperture , the A7rII will be sharper than any single frame from the M43 and about the same level as the high-res mode, with the only difference being that the high-res is available in any situation.
As I wrote keeping my 7r2 to utilise with sharper adapted lens. Major reason I purchased 7r2 for its clear MP advantage over m4/3.

7r2 as well as my G80 EM1.1 are AA filterless : would have to utilise same lens on both thereafter compare sharpness which I can, yet haven't yet done. My sharper dslr ff 24-70/2.8 I have adapter for Sony don't have adapter yet for my m4/3.

If comparing to my Gx7 with AA filter vs 7r2 without AA filter then you would well have a point regarding Gx7 being softer. I shall do a test adapting this soft Canon 28-135 IS to both just to see for myself even though I know 7r2 should be sharper.

Don't have my Foveons anymore to compare sharpness of 7r2.

What happened photographing part of London looking down from a highrise viewing platform pixelpeeping I preferred my soft Gx7 with AA filter with weak average 14-150/4-5.8 @ f/5.6 stacked in software, compared to sharper 7r2 no AA filter with weak average Canon 28-135 IS @ f/10 : ie. both lenses weak average, both cameras utilising Electronic shutter handheld.

Definitely returning to this viewing platform with my 7r2+ 24-70/2.8 stopping it down to f/8 f/10 and my G80/G85 or E-M1.1 + Pany 14-42mkii.

Also narrowness of 7r2 2:3 vertical ratio was uncomfortable viewing for me.
Modern digital cameras allow you to select the aspect ratio of a photograph and immediately display it in that format in the viewfinder.
I could also compose wider thereafter crop in I'm just not used to doing this
Apply the protective film to the screen and draw 4:3 guide lines with a thin black marker
Load it into your software with the preset: crop 4:3. Amen
feels unnatural for me having never done so on my various ff aps-c dslrs mirrorless. On my 7r2 can crop to aps-c 18MP in camera still 3:2 2:3 ratio.
Amen Brother. One of the most famous sampled drum breaks.

If I could afford Gfx100mk1 4:3 ratio currently £2.5k with warranty + say Gf32-64 approx £1.5K with warranty I'd forget all about any 3:2 full frame for townscape cityscape.
 
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Everyone keeps claiming M43 dead, but for me it's not the lack of new stuff.
Are they though? I think there's still the usual forum trolls pushing this tired claim, but I'm not hearing that a lot outside of forums. If you look at YouTube, there's a lot of positivity going around - including people coming back or into the system for the first time. This is very different than what we've seen even a year ago. I feel like the tide has really turned and the trolls are behind the curve.
My M43 problem is that it's just so perfect for so many scenarios. I toyed with getting a Nikon z5II, but then I look at the lenses and they are both expensive for the quality level I want, and heavy.

MY tiny 42.5 f1.7, 20mm f1.7 and 75mm f1.8 just keep making great images. The 40-150 f4 is just so easy to carry around.

And the bottom line is I never don't have enough data to do exactly what I need final output wise.
Needless to say, I agree with all of this. I've really never been happier as an MFT user. In fact, the only gear debate in my head right now is if I should unload my L-Mount gear!
I am concerned that if my cameras die I won't be able to replace them, but I'm not worried about features I don't have. I'm seriously considering buying an OM-5 II just to be sure I have one for the next several years.
FWIW, I'm not really concerned. I also don't really buy that OMS' is somehow going to be put in a position where they're the only camera manufacturer keeping MFT afloat. We don't see a lot of LUMIX-related activity here since this is primarily a photography-centric forum and they've been slow with releases recently, but if you look at the market LUMIX bodies still retain their value which says that someone is buying them - likely filmmakers or small content creators who simply don't hang out on this forum.

Other evidence that MFT is fine is you still have tons of third party manufacturers producing new lenses for the system. Why would they bother if the system was dying?
[ " tons of third-party manufacturers " ] you say?

How reassuring.

Let’s unpack that charming little fairy tale.
Remember Sigma? The company with real optical clout that actually did make serious lenses for many mounts? They tinkered with a few M43-mount pieces (basically APS-C designs change with a different mount) and then publicly stepped away and no more MFT lens program from them.

Hardly the [ " vote of confidence " ] you’re implying.

Tamron? They flirted with the format once, produced a lone MFT option, and then.....… crickets FOREVER.

Voigtländer, Samyang (Rokinon) and the like? A handful of manual lenses here and there, nice niche bits, but new product lines? still gone FOREVER.

What’s left, then? A smattering of small Chinese manufacturers re-boxing APS-C designs with an M43 mount thrown on as an “option.” Handy for budget shoppers, sure.

But calling that “tons of third-party manufacturers producing new lenses” is a bit of a stretch. It’s like calling a samll 7-11 a COSTCO.
 
Everyone keeps claiming M43 dead, but for me it's not the lack of new stuff.
Are they though? I think there's still the usual forum trolls pushing this tired claim, but I'm not hearing that a lot outside of forums. If you look at YouTube, there's a lot of positivity going around - including people coming back or into the system for the first time. This is very different than what we've seen even a year ago. I feel like the tide has really turned and the trolls are behind the curve.
My M43 problem is that it's just so perfect for so many scenarios. I toyed with getting a Nikon z5II, but then I look at the lenses and they are both expensive for the quality level I want, and heavy.

MY tiny 42.5 f1.7, 20mm f1.7 and 75mm f1.8 just keep making great images. The 40-150 f4 is just so easy to carry around.

And the bottom line is I never don't have enough data to do exactly what I need final output wise.
Needless to say, I agree with all of this. I've really never been happier as an MFT user. In fact, the only gear debate in my head right now is if I should unload my L-Mount gear!
I am concerned that if my cameras die I won't be able to replace them, but I'm not worried about features I don't have. I'm seriously considering buying an OM-5 II just to be sure I have one for the next several years.
FWIW, I'm not really concerned. I also don't really buy that OMS' is somehow going to be put in a position where they're the only camera manufacturer keeping MFT afloat. We don't see a lot of LUMIX-related activity here since this is primarily a photography-centric forum and they've been slow with releases recently, but if you look at the market LUMIX bodies still retain their value which says that someone is buying them - likely filmmakers or small content creators who simply don't hang out on this forum.

Other evidence that MFT is fine is you still have tons of third party manufacturers producing new lenses for the system. Why would they bother if the system was dying?
[ " tons of third-party manufacturers " ] you say?
How reassuring.

Let’s unpack that charming little fairy tale.
Remember Sigma? The company with real optical clout that actually did make serious lenses for many mounts? They tinkered with a few M43-mount pieces (basically APS-C designs change with a different mount) and then publicly stepped away and no more MFT lens program from them.
Hardly the [ " vote of confidence " ] you’re implying.
Tamron? They flirted with the format once, produced a lone MFT option, and then.....… crickets FOREVER.
Voigtländer, Samyang (Rokinon) and the like? A handful of manual lenses here and there, nice niche bits, but new product lines? still gone FOREVER.
What’s left, then? A smattering of small Chinese manufacturers re-boxing APS-C designs with an M43 mount thrown on as an “option.” Handy for budget shoppers, sure.
But calling that “tons of third-party manufacturers producing new lenses” is a bit of a stretch. It’s like calling a samll 7-11 a COSTCO.
The bar is pretty low nowadays. Fanboys will basically accept anything at this point as "signs of life". That includes all the Chinese junk nobody wants from Meike, YongNuo, Mitakon, etc.

All of the real manufacturers like Sigma have pulled out - but let's pretend that never happened, right? LOL.

Meanwhile, Sigma is making sharp wide open 200/2s for E/L mount (not the soft crap that Laowa sells - but evidently good enough for some users here), 500/5.6, 300-600/4, 35/1.2, 135/1.4, etc.
 
Everyone keeps claiming M43 dead, but for me it's not the lack of new stuff.
Are they though? I think there's still the usual forum trolls pushing this tired claim, but I'm not hearing that a lot outside of forums. If you look at YouTube, there's a lot of positivity going around - including people coming back or into the system for the first time. This is very different than what we've seen even a year ago. I feel like the tide has really turned and the trolls are behind the curve.
My M43 problem is that it's just so perfect for so many scenarios. I toyed with getting a Nikon z5II, but then I look at the lenses and they are both expensive for the quality level I want, and heavy.

MY tiny 42.5 f1.7, 20mm f1.7 and 75mm f1.8 just keep making great images. The 40-150 f4 is just so easy to carry around.

And the bottom line is I never don't have enough data to do exactly what I need final output wise.
Needless to say, I agree with all of this. I've really never been happier as an MFT user. In fact, the only gear debate in my head right now is if I should unload my L-Mount gear!
I am concerned that if my cameras die I won't be able to replace them, but I'm not worried about features I don't have. I'm seriously considering buying an OM-5 II just to be sure I have one for the next several years.
FWIW, I'm not really concerned. I also don't really buy that OMS' is somehow going to be put in a position where they're the only camera manufacturer keeping MFT afloat. We don't see a lot of LUMIX-related activity here since this is primarily a photography-centric forum and they've been slow with releases recently, but if you look at the market LUMIX bodies still retain their value which says that someone is buying them - likely filmmakers or small content creators who simply don't hang out on this forum.

Other evidence that MFT is fine is you still have tons of third party manufacturers producing new lenses for the system. Why would they bother if the system was dying?
[ " tons of third-party manufacturers " ] you say?
How reassuring.

Let’s unpack that charming little fairy tale.
Remember Sigma? The company with real optical clout that actually did make serious lenses for many mounts? They tinkered with a few M43-mount pieces (basically APS-C designs change with a different mount) and then publicly stepped away and no more MFT lens program from them.
Hardly the [ " vote of confidence " ] you’re implying.
Tamron? They flirted with the format once, produced a lone MFT option, and then.....… crickets FOREVER.
Voigtländer, Samyang (Rokinon) and the like? A handful of manual lenses here and there, nice niche bits, but new product lines? still gone FOREVER.
What’s left, then? A smattering of small Chinese manufacturers re-boxing APS-C designs with an M43 mount thrown on as an “option.” Handy for budget shoppers, sure.
But calling that “tons of third-party manufacturers producing new lenses” is a bit of a stretch. It’s like calling a samll 7-11 a COSTCO.
The bar is pretty low nowadays. Fanboys will basically accept anything at this point as "signs of life". That includes all the Chinese junk nobody wants from Meike, YongNuo, Mitakon, etc.

All of the real manufacturers like Sigma have pulled out - but let's pretend that never happened, right? LOL.

Meanwhile, Sigma is making sharp wide open 200/2s for E/L mount (not the soft crap that Laowa sells - but evidently good enough for some users here), 500/5.6, 300-600/4, 35/1.2, 135/1.4, etc.
"Beautiful plumage, eh, major?"

I mean, you raise a good point. But it's a two way street and Sigma pulling out... Does anyone seriously think that changes the trajectory for m43 either way? 😂

Sigma made, what, one native m43 lens in all the years? Zero? Someone help me out.

The only remotely appealing glass AFAIK were the APS-C duo of the somewhat obese short portrait 30mm f1.4 and the gem of the lineup, the longish portrait 56mm f1.4. Wait, the 150-600 OMDS lens is a Sigma. Does that mean they left? Or they're still here?

Which begs the question: What exactly did Sigma really ever do for us m43 losers, at the end of the day, behind their own brand? Not a lot. So their departure doesn't really upset me much.

Now Viltrox not making native glass for us... Well, that DOES sting a little, ngl...

How's my copium? 😜

PS: I own the Sigma 30mm f1.4 and it's a decent lens even if it is chonky. I use it more than my P42.5 f1.7 due to its better working length for indoor casual portraits of family.

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"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight." - Titanic musician before their final song
 
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just playing devils advocate; it could be another reason why Sigma and Tamron don't do m4/3s is because they have never been able to compete with Olympus and Panasonic lenses
 

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