You mistake anger, for my disbelief of individuals continuing to 'prop up' a flawed test.I will. I’ll enjoy it free of anger about other people posting sample images
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I think I noticed it with my older E-M1 mkII Olympus (before parting with it) but I don’t see it with my Nikon Z8 or Fuji. But then again I haven’t experimented with it enough to know if it’s consistent or not.
I never propped an anything. In fact I’m more likely to believe, as I said, the GRIV lens is fine and that your suggestion about the tripod/IBIS is plausible (or even likely). I mean it’s a forum for discussion, right?You mistake anger, for my disbelief of individuals continuing to 'prop up' a flawed test.I will. I’ll enjoy it free of anger about other people posting sample images
This is twilight zone stuff. Ridiculous.
The test was flawed. It was billed as a "direct lens comparison" but did not tell us anything about comparative lens performance. If the OP had not volunteered the information about IBIS/SR, people would have the misconception that the IV lens is softer than the III. Hence it's important to challenge the test methodology. There is zero value in a discussion around a flawed test, except that perhaps some people now understand that SR should be disabled on GR cameras mounted on (stable) tripods. Testing lenses and sensors is difficult and I hold nothing against the OP for trying, but we should be very careful when making determinations about performance.
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The tripod was used as a reference point to help align the images.
Then please show us your samples. To me, both the GR IV and GR III are junk — and with the price hike, the GR IV is even worse.
It just seemed pretty harsh to me that someone posts images, presents their hypothesis, and they're accused of spreading misinformation. I sounds like you disagree with that, and that's fine. I stand by my statements, though. I felt it was a helpful discussion.
Yet you own both?
I don't need to make samples, the DPReview test chart reflects what I'm seeing from my copy. Your own tests contradict each other, but at least you're now aware how IBIS works on the GR cameras.
I replaced my GR III because I'm fed up with dust getting inside the body, and keeping the adapter and filter permanently affixed makes the camera form factor much larger and less convenient. I was also never happy with the excessive vignetting they introduced with the GR III lens (redesigned for close focusing). My GR IV has a faulty dial and is being returned to Ricoh. I believe these cameras are somewhat flawed so let's not assume I'm some kind of brand ambassador. I just think if you're going to make a statement about how a lens performs it'd be good if your comparison is actually useful.
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You're really too funny, you know! And now have pretty much no credibility!
Ricoh wins a "2025 Good Design Award" presented by the Japan Institute for Design Promotion which was founded in 1969.
"With a legacy spanning 30 years, the Ricoh GR IV blends pro-grade performance, minimalist design, and now award-winning recognition – a compact camera classic redefined in 2025"
"Part of the camera's appeal lies in its consistent design philosophy. As noted by the Good Design Award jury, the GR IV embodies a sense of continuity, retaining the defining visual and tactile characteristics of earlier models, while showing evidence of precise, user-informed refinement."
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...sign-award-for-its-redefined-minimalist-style
If you think the GRIII is junk why in the world did you buy a GRIV?
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I keep the JJC lens cap on my GRIII and GRIIIx and have never had a dust problem going on four years.
https://www.amazon.com/Aluminium-An...4&sprefix=GRIIIX+lens+cap,aps,248&sr=8-3&th=1
I also routinely check all of my cameras when I'm out and when I come home and when out have one of those small lens brushes you get with the "care kits". And no matter what anyone can just get the short straw.
I think for the GRIV we have to wait and see if they come out with a cap.
Was the faulty dial on your GRIV the "Mode Dial'? Explain a bit more. Was it just the feel or something else?
Do you have photos that show the excessive vignetting? I haven't seen that in my photos and don't recall that as a complaint.
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I'm sorry but I'm not going over this again, it comes up time and again for a reason. The only viable solution in my opinion is the filter adapter permanently attached, but that transform the camera into something different and less convenient.
The front e-dial must have some kind of issue with the electronic connection as it skips options and settings can change even if I don't move it, just from a light touch of the dial without it physically turning. It also feels a little scratchy in some positions so perhaps a mechanical problem.
I'm passing on the GR IV so can't comment on whether things have improved, but I had the dust issue with my GR II and III. Nothing since it was cleaned under warranty and I installed the filter. No issue with the IIIx but I installed the filter the day I bought it and never removed it.
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this sounds like a comment from someone who knows optics (i do not and i appreciate your feedback) i wonder if the lower mp count (resolution) of gr-grii is affecting the sharper grii conclusion/illusion? how would the files look like if they were downsized to gr-grii resolution? i also noticed some difference in character of lens flare. it became more obvious when i played with the following file https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68477174?image=0 that was shared in this thread: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68472657
but hasn't he shot both cameras on tripod and both with ibis on? it sure would have been interesting to see the results from both with ibis off. but if both were shot with same settings, i would consider it a valid comparison- even if not best practice for ibis. probably sample variation or defect was a better explanation for this particular test, as there are plenty of sharp gr4 images out there.
ok this answers my question above...too many messages in this thread. thanks.
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Shooting on a tripod is done usually with a delay. In this case, shake reduction is automatically turned off.
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Shooting with a timer does not automatically turn off shake reduction on my GRIIIx. I just checked. I set the timer to 10 seconds and checked shake reduction and it was "On" where I had left it.
Yes, I have NiSi adapters for both the GRIII and GRIIIx and put a UV filter and lens hood on it for situations when I might shoot in the rain or am on a beach.
Ok, sorry to hear that. It's frustrating to buy something new and start out with a problem. Hope your new GRIV arrives back soon!
Mitchell Clark wrote:
"Speaking of the corners, you've likely noticed the heavy vignetting. While it's a touch better than the III, compared to cameras like the X100VI and the RX1R III, the GR IV's lens is noticeably darker in the periphery, even at F5.6. It doesn't get much worse when you open it up to F2.8, though, so the camera's built-in correction profile doesn't have to do a bunch of extra brightening for wide-open shots. It deals with the vignetting very nicely in JPEGs, though the corners getting less light means you'll see the extra noise there upon correction."
This perplexes me as it's something I haven't heard on this forum in the past. I didn't buy my GRIII until after my GRIIIx in 2021. So, I'm wondering if there were changes made to the lens. Purely speculation on my part. I would have no idea. I looked at a lot of different photos last night in different albums I have in all kinds of conditions.
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