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The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
 
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The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
I did post a link to Robin Wong's video and for an hour he did discuss the worsening position of OM System. Of course die hards will not discuss his points:

In a nutshell.
  • OM System market share is shrinking year by year.
  • Nikon, Sony and Canon autofocusing system is better than OM System.
  • Full Frame give pros more megapixels and gives everyone low light shooting.
  • OM System maybe going down the wrong path by aiming at bird photographers.
  • OM system isn't making a profit!
Now if you factor in Lumix position. There are more OM/Olympus posters here than Lumix. If we head to Lumix reddit page there are a lot more post from Full Frame owners than M43.

One former Lumix ambassador said about the then release of the G9ii. It's for the people who had too many M43 lenses and haven't moved to Full Frame.
 
To be so desperate for newer, better gear and to not get it. Condolences. If you'll be happier with a different system, I would strongly encourage you to add it or switch over.

Meanwhile, my two G9s and EM1X and my glass? Still delivering for me. That's the real conundrum for the OEMs of all stripes as far as I'm concerned. They have to compete with exceptionally good older gear.

I am so far past the worry about the reaper coming for m43. It will come for every system sooner or later. I'll enjoy it as long as it still works for me, which seems to be quite a few more years at least.

Good luck to us all, folks.

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"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight." - Titanic musician before their final song
 
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The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
Generally the lens lineup is pretty complete. Not sure there are glaring holes. Other lens companies are doing lots of refreshes, but that's hard to justify in the boardroom with a stagnant or shrinking user base.

I'd like a weatherproof 15mm f1.7, but how much R&D investment is needed and how many years would it take to break even?
I did post a link to Robin Wong's video and for an hour he did discuss the worsening position of OM System. Of course die hards will not discuss his points:

In a nutshell.
  • OM System market share is shrinking year by year.
  • Nikon, Sony and Canon autofocusing system is better than OM System.
  • Full Frame give pros more megapixels and gives everyone low light shooting.
  • OM System maybe going down the wrong path by aiming at bird photographers.
  • OM system isn't making a profit!
Now if you factor in Lumix position. There are more OM/Olympus posters here than Lumix. If we head to Lumix reddit page there are a lot more post from Full Frame owners than M43.
I think those are all true, but some of the full frame lenses are a wash. The 28-200 seems weaker compared to the OM 12-100. But generally, many of the full frame lenses under 100mm were out-resolving my M43 lenses even on a ~25mp sensor of the S5II or S9.

Going for birding may not be a profitable path, but it still might be the best one. I was watching documentaries about Japan keeping schools and train stations open to service as low as one student, then closing them when the student graduates. On the other hand, Americans might close something even after one bad quarter of profitability.
One former Lumix ambassador said about the then release of the G9ii. It's for the people who had too many M43 lenses and haven't moved to Full Frame.
I keep it mostly because the telephoto lenses are very light, like the 100-400 and 50-200. But yes that is a very small niche. I think many photographers don't go over 200mm.

The Panasonic 24-60 and Sigma 28-70 are very small full frame 2.8 zooms.
 
The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.
Much-advertised? Much rumored, maybe. ;)

You gotta admit tho, that new color is sexxxxxy! 🥰 I would jump at a Titanium colored OM-3.
Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
I'm still not counting them out.
 
The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
I did post a link to Robin Wong's video and for an hour he did discuss the worsening position of OM System. Of course die hards will not discuss his points:

In a nutshell.
  • OM System market share is shrinking year by year.
  • Nikon, Sony and Canon autofocusing system is better than OM System.
  • Full Frame give pros more megapixels and gives everyone low light shooting.
  • OM System maybe going down the wrong path by aiming at bird photographers.
  • OM system isn't making a profit!
Now if you factor in Lumix position. There are more OM/Olympus posters here than Lumix. If we head to Lumix reddit page there are a lot more post from Full Frame owners than M43.

One former Lumix ambassador said about the then release of the G9ii. It's for the people who had too many M43 lenses and haven't moved to Full Frame.
This is going to be an interesting year for OM System for sure. Putting out two new bodies that have been backed by a strong marketing push, getting them out to a wide variety of outlets, etc should have a noticeable impact on market share - but we won't know if that has happened until next year.

In the meantime, I've heard more negative reviews of where Fuji is heading vs positive. If people are getting more sensitive to their quality issues and cost, that could result in market share shifting to OMS.

Things seem to be going on the right direction, but we'll just have to wait and see.
 
I hope you are right, OM could save MFT but they are struggling as well. Pansonic keeps hinting that more is to come, but you can only hint for so long.....

P.S. - The news about the upcoming Lumix cameras was not just a rumor; Panasonic posted it.
 
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I hope you are right, OM could save MFT but they are struggling as well. Pansonic keeps hinting that more is to come, but you can only hint for so long.....
Just keep in mind that it's actually really hard to know how much they may or may not be struggling. I get it, the CIPA year-over-year numbers are not good. But the nature of those numbers is that it's hard to know, quickly, what effect differences in Go to Market strategy are having. OMS certainly has the data on this, but we do not. So the situation may look dire, but those latest numbers are prior to the OM-3 and OM-5 Mark II releases, the 17/1.8 II, 25/1.8 II and 50-200/2.8 - all releases that have been pretty well-to-highly regarded, overall.

I've seen much more "activity" around MFT this year than I think I ever had. I have to trust that this is going to have a noticeable impact on market share when the next CIPA numbers come around. If not, well... I've still got some awesome cameras and lenses that are making me happier than ever. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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I have thought for a while that Robin is on to something about small being m43's greatest strength. Or at least, a strength it is folly to neglect. I'm getting a strong feeling that the OM-5 ll is selling well despite not showing up on best-seller lists. Its size/weight/weather-sealing, plus features that are advanced but keep it in a reasonable price bracket by not taking off into the stacked-sensor, super-computational stratosphere have it looking like a very attractive alternative to, say, the now near-$2K Fuji models. And I wouldn't be surprised if the OM-3 was doing pretty well in its more premium-for-the-format niche.

Welp, Panasonic missed a good opp with this uninteresting S9 "update" to wire a hotshoe and offer an accessory EVF. Titanium with an available external EVF could have been my first P camera.
 
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The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
It's probably become difficult to convince consumers to buy into a system often described as 'good enough.' All they need to hear is 'better' noise performance, 'better' dynamic range, and 'better' depth of field control, and you've got their attention. 'Better' trumps 'good enough'!
 
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To be so desperate for newer, better gear and to not get it. Condolences. If you'll be happier with a different system, I would strongly encourage you to add it or switch over.

Meanwhile, my two G9s and EM1X and my glass? Still delivering for me. That's the real conundrum for the OEMs of all stripes as far as I'm concerned. They have to compete with exceptionally good older gear.

I am so far past the worry about the reaper coming for m43. It will come for every system sooner or later. I'll enjoy it as long as it still works for me, which seems to be quite a few more years at least.

Good luck to us all, folks.

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"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight." - Titanic musician before their final song
Us existing customers are happy, what is worrisome is the lack of new/younger generation selecting MFT. My own young-adult daughter who grew up with my free hand-me-downs (Olympus MFT) is inquiring about Fuji because of the built in film simulations native to many of their cameras.

Its starting to look like she may switch despite 8-years with Olympus MFT.
 
Us existing customers are happy, what is worrisome is the lack of new/younger generation selecting MFT. My own young-adult daughter who grew up with my free hand-me-downs (Olympus MFT) is inquiring about Fuji because of the built in film simulations native to many of their cameras.

Its starting to look like she may switch despite 8-years with Olympus MFT.
I see more younger people enthusing over their m43s on the Reddit subs. But OMS needs to get that Creative Dial and its color and mono profiles and other arty jpeg functions into the OM5 or another EVF equipped model in that same price range. Leave the stacked sensor and the rest of the super-powers for the bigger lens-using OM-1 size cohort, and offer attractive, well-made, fairly priced small "experience" cameras with WR and creative editing functions, for travel and life.
 
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To be so desperate for newer, better gear and to not get it. Condolences. If you'll be happier with a different system, I would strongly encourage you to add it or switch over.

Meanwhile, my two G9s and EM1X and my glass? Still delivering for me. That's the real conundrum for the OEMs of all stripes as far as I'm concerned. They have to compete with exceptionally good older gear.

I am so far past the worry about the reaper coming for m43. It will come for every system sooner or later. I'll enjoy it as long as it still works for me, which seems to be quite a few more years at least.

Good luck to us all, folks.
Us existing customers are happy, what is worrisome is the lack of new/younger generation selecting MFT. My own young-adult daughter who grew up with my free hand-me-downs (Olympus MFT) is inquiring about Fuji because of the built in film simulations native to many of their cameras.

Its starting to look like she may switch despite 8-years with Olympus MFT.
That's what she wants.

If she's spent 8 years with Olympus and it's not giving her what she wants in a camera system, I'm happy for her if a different system will bring her more joy with the photographic hobby.

Of course, perhaps this is her way of asking you to gift her an OM3 and those nice updated primes. 😂
 
The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
I did post a link to Robin Wong's video and for an hour he did discuss the worsening position of OM System. Of course die hards will not discuss his points:

In a nutshell.
[...]
One former Lumix ambassador said about the then release of the G9ii. It's for the people who had too many M43 lenses and haven't moved to Full Frame.
For people like me the G9m2 is nearly perfect (the GH7 is a bit better) reason to enter MFT:

I can use the best macro lens, the OMSy90 macro and also the PL100-400 for far distance macro.

I have 25MP and the large latitude in shadow at ISO100.

I can have open gate video 5.8k30 and 5.7k60 and 4k120 fps focus transition for stacks and Video RAW with external recorder (I miss the internal RAW with GH7 but at lower resolution).

I can have 300fps slow motion - unfortunately without AF (Canon can do that better).

Only thing I miss compared to OM-1: Fast focus bracketing with flash- also latest L-Mount Lumixe can not do that better than the slow MFT Lumixe.

Thus for me LUMIX MFT is still the best of all cameras available: Canon R5ii could be better in most ways - but where is the lens like the OMSy90?

Thus for me the G9m2 was the reason to enter MFT - I should have waited for the GH7, but this way I had nearly 1 year more fun.
 
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I think there is one over riding problem with the MFT system at the moment and that is its cost when compared to some of its APS C competition and their perceived poor value. The Pro series lenses from OMDS are superb but very expensive (they are as expensive as the pro end APS C lenses for Fuji) and the better bodies are not that cheap e.g. OM 1 and OM 3. The new OM 5 II IS excellent value but poor autofocus, subject recognition and lower quality video are not going get it any winners. I have also noted that some people have commented on the OM 5's all plastic feel to its construction (even though this is not a cheap plastic at all) which make it feel 'cheaper' even though I do not agree (most cameras these days have a great deal of this material in their build. .

I tend to agree that the resolution issue is a non event, there is not significant difference between 24 MP and 20 MP but noise margins are an issue and there is no doubt that using an MFT in poor lighting is more challenging than using an APS C camera.

Unfortunately a lot of the influential photo press consider MFT to be a compromise and only cite its small size and weight as an advantage. They tend to focus on noise and lack of available higher resolution sensors as the main detractions. APS C is given more of a thumbs up when considering autofocus, noise, video and cost and they are not much bigger than MFT camera bodies and lenses. And Fuji changed the playing field with their 40 MP sensor which has proved to be an excellent low noise sensor despite its high pixel density..

So the competition has caught up with MFT which is why it is suffering. APS C is seen as a better performing system with equally cost effective solutions with better sensor performance and decent high quality lenses. I love Oly/OMDS cameras for their build quality, ergonomics and well designed systems but the fact is I can buy better now for the same outlay. People invested in MFT do not need to change as the system still provides superb results but people looking at moving from smart phones, or bridges cameras or just starting may be better off with APS C and the manufacturers know this.
 
The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
It's probably become difficult to convince consumers to buy into a system often described as 'good enough.' All they need to hear is 'better' noise performance, 'better' dynamic range, and 'better' depth of field control, and you've got their attention. 'Better' trumps 'good enough'!
Still, while a Bentley is the 'better' car, far more 'good enough' little Toyota's being sold. Maybe photography (gear) for most is a luxury hobby, where it's more about 'wanting' than 'needing'?
 
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I have been a Panasonic MFT shooter ever since they introduced the GX1. Personally I love the small rangefinder styled GX bodies and have bought most of them. I think the GX8 is the only one I have never owned.

The GX85 is by far my favorite fun camera.

Over the years I have collected a nice set of glass for my MFT cameras. Then came the GX9. Essentially the same as the GX85, but with a newer 20MP sensor and a tilting EVF.

Then... NOTHING. After waiting and waiting for an updated GX10 (or whatever) I came to the conclusion that Panasonic had abandoned the GX line. If I wanted a FF sized camera, well I have a lot to choose from. I do not need a near FF sized G or GH for that. I do own 2 GH cameras, which I use exclusively for video.

Personally I do think there is a market for the smaller and less conspicuous GX series, even if Panasonic doesn't. So I decided to double down on GX. I have owned a GX85 since it's introduction. I found a used GX85 for an excellent price and bought it. Excellent condition, except for a few scuff marks on the LCD. Then I bought two used GX9s for very good prices, both in like new condition.

So now I own four recent GX bodies which will end up outlasting me. I still have a glimmer of hope that Panasonic will see the light and give us a new GX body. In the meantime I have all the glass I need and more than enough bodies to see it through to the end.
 
The much-advertised Lumix updates turn out to be a special edition of the FF S9 & an App update.

Why doesn't Panasonic come clean & say that they are abandoning MFT ( 'MICRO' FT ) so that potential new buyers can look elsewhere & not buy into a dead system?
Lol, a year or two after two major releases that were very well received and heavily promoted (they got many influencers to test them), the G9 II and GH7, Panasonic's now considered abandoning MFT?
 
Us existing customers are happy, what is worrisome is the lack of new/younger generation selecting MFT. My own young-adult daughter who grew up with my free hand-me-downs (Olympus MFT) is inquiring about Fuji because of the built in film simulations native to many of their cameras.

Its starting to look like she may switch despite 8-years with Olympus MFT.
This is down to marketing more than anything else, riding on the hype the X100V generated.

It's on the marketing teams of both companies, but especially OM System since the Art Filters are/were popular with the younger crowd, even 15 years ago. During my time in retail, the Art Filters were instant sellers within the 18-30 year old women.
 
Lol, a year or two after two major releases that were very well received and heavily promoted (they got many influencers to test them), the G9 II and GH7, Panasonic's now considered abandoning MFT?
Just the usual doomer in here; these people are starting to be as bad as the whiny gamers who have a moan that there is not enough content in a game and send death threats when a game gets delayed.
 

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