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In all kindness:

For a camera without a rangefinder, Leica and otherwise, Leitz produced the: Leitz “FOFER” Rangefinder which Leitz Germany named, in German: “Entfernungsmesser”.

Refer to eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/335955120261

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I think we are over complicating it, evfs are probably better than optical range finders now, so therefore there will be an evf.
No they are not. It will take a while until EVFs have the same dynamic range and contrast as an OVF. Also, most EVF cameras do not have a quick way to simulate OVF and too often one is stuck with an image too dark to frame when highlight need protection (requires underexposure).

I am shooting mostly with EVFs, but it is such a joy when occasionally picking up a camera with a good OVF.

Yes, EVFs have some advantages as well.
 
I read through the whole thread. I agree with those who said "if it doesn't have a messucher than it isn't really a Leica M.

My M10-M and M10-R already have an optional EVF if I need through-lens focusing/viewing. I fit it whenever I'm doing precision work that requires such capability. I don't need it in the general case of most of my photography, and if I did I'd buy a Leica L-mount camera and fit an M to L mount adapter (which I did for years with the Leica SL and CL bodies). This affords access to all three lens lines: L-mount, M-mount, and R-mount with the appropriate adapters.

Rather than building an "M11-V", I'd prefer if Leica built a full-frame CL (call it a CL2-FF), styled to have the same body shape and controls as an an M. I'd buy one of them.

G
There's a short piece on this here:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leak-...ct-body-hints-at-a-lower-price.1096170.0.html

I find this sentence particularly interesting: "A new function button is said to enable digital frame lines to be displayed in the viewfinder." This implies the VF is a dual optical/EVF gizmo, something like the one Fuji has used in their X-Pro models.

A quote from the allegedly leaked marketing materials backs this up: "Frame selection lever with dual FN functionality for viewfinder." This sounds like the frameline lever is now a two-position switch, not a button, offering either optical or electronic viewfinder options. Or maybe in optical mode it still is a frameline selector, and you push it in like a button to switch modes.

This then raises the question: if there's an optical VF mode but no rangefinder how do you focus "optically?" This can be done, of course. Various Nikon Z cameras have manual focus confirmation, as did the Pentax K10D I owned c. 2007. The Pentax allowed me to focus my 50mm f/1.2 wide open with excellent accuracy.

So if all this is correct info will the focus confirmation indicator be a green light or a red dot? :-)

-Dave-
If a Leica M-mount camera with an EVF is launched I think it exceptionally unlikely to have an optical finder too.
 
It is likely that this camera will have the Q3 EVF panel in it - common use of parts. That is a good EVF, at 5M dots. But, it really takes more like 9M dots for the EVF to be really easy to use.

Latest is that the camera will be much lighter than an M11 - more so than the difference of OVF components. I wonder if we are beginning to sacrifice build quality. Price point will be quite high, like all the other Ms.
 
I never had problems with the great EVFs on my Q3 and Q3 43 as well as my Canon EOS R5 - all with 5M pix ... If you need finest detail a well implemented zoom is the key. Here at 10x is only marginally good. Lets see what will be available. In my EOS Ra even 30x is possible and useful on stars at night.
 
It is likely that this camera will have the Q3 EVF panel in it - common use of parts. That is a good EVF, at 5M dots. But, it really takes more like 9M dots for the EVF to be really easy to use.

Latest is that the camera will be much lighter than an M11 - more so than the difference of OVF components. I wonder if we are beginning to sacrifice build quality. Price point will be quite high, like all the other Ms.
wow, it's pricey, would have thought $5-6k range. no video or ibis I presume.
 
It is likely that this camera will have the Q3 EVF panel in it - common use of parts. That is a good EVF, at 5M dots. But, it really takes more like 9M dots for the EVF to be really easy to use.
Since when? We've been using EVFs for a long time and never needed 9 Mil. for any EVF to be "really easy to use". Just because we reach a level of technology doesn't mean all earlier tech. is unable to be used. Two million was great when that was the newest tech. for EVFs and those cameras still work perfectly fine. I believe that only two cameras offer EVFs over 9 million so you're proclamation that all previous digital cameras have non-usable EV Fs.............. nonsense Crazy talk.

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It's just my educated opinion. Don't get bent out of shape.
Steve
 
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It is likely that this camera will have the Q3 EVF panel in it - common use of parts. That is a good EVF, at 5M dots. But, it really takes more like 9M dots for the EVF to be really easy to use.
That is not my experience. I have cameras with 9MP and 5MP cameras, and the resolution difference is the least important differentiator between them.

Both X2D and SL3 have 5MP EVFs and they are excellent. Q3's EVF is excellent too.
Latest is that the camera will be much lighter than an M11 - more so than the difference of OVF components.
The latest rumor is 45g lighter.
I wonder if we are beginning to sacrifice build quality.
What indication do you have for that claim?
Price point will be quite high, like all the other Ms.
 
It is likely that this camera will have the Q3 EVF panel in it - common use of parts. That is a good EVF, at 5M dots. But, it really takes more like 9M dots for the EVF to be really easy to use. [...]
For an M camera sans RF, resolution will be less important than the lack of digital noise for focusing in low light, especially with slow lenses, or fast ones focused at working aperture IMHO.
Best,
LCT
 
There's a short piece on this here:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leak-...ct-body-hints-at-a-lower-price.1096170.0.html

I find this sentence particularly interesting: "A new function button is said to enable digital frame lines to be displayed in the viewfinder." This implies the VF is a dual optical/EVF gizmo, something like the one Fuji has used in their X-Pro models.

A quote from the allegedly leaked marketing materials backs this up: "Frame selection lever with dual FN functionality for viewfinder." This sounds like the frameline lever is now a two-position switch, not a button, offering either optical or electronic viewfinder options. Or maybe in optical mode it still is a frameline selector, and you push it in like a button to switch modes.

This then raises the question: if there's an optical VF mode but no rangefinder how do you focus "optically?" This can be done, of course. Various Nikon Z cameras have manual focus confirmation, as did the Pentax K10D I owned c. 2007. The Pentax allowed me to focus my 50mm f/1.2 wide open with excellent accuracy.

So if all this is correct info will the focus confirmation indicator be a green light or a red dot? :-)

-Dave-
I had hoped to use Nikon’s manual focus confirmation with my M lenses but it only works with Z lenses. Apparently it needs certain info from the lens for this to work. What or why I can’t imagine. It would be nice if Leica could implement this though.
 
It is likely that this camera will have the Q3 EVF panel in it - common use of parts. That is a good EVF, at 5M dots. But, it really takes more like 9M dots for the EVF to be really easy to use. [...]
For an M camera sans RF, resolution will be less important than the lack of digital noise for focusing in low light, especially with slow lenses, or fast ones focused at working aperture IMHO.
Best,
LCT
it will work like a digital night Vision monocle.
 
There's a short piece on this here:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leak-...ct-body-hints-at-a-lower-price.1096170.0.html

I find this sentence particularly interesting: "A new function button is said to enable digital frame lines to be displayed in the viewfinder." This implies the VF is a dual optical/EVF gizmo, something like the one Fuji has used in their X-Pro models.

A quote from the allegedly leaked marketing materials backs this up: "Frame selection lever with dual FN functionality for viewfinder." This sounds like the frameline lever is now a two-position switch, not a button, offering either optical or electronic viewfinder options. Or maybe in optical mode it still is a frameline selector, and you push it in like a button to switch modes.

This then raises the question: if there's an optical VF mode but no rangefinder how do you focus "optically?" This can be done, of course. Various Nikon Z cameras have manual focus confirmation, as did the Pentax K10D I owned c. 2007. The Pentax allowed me to focus my 50mm f/1.2 wide open with excellent accuracy.

So if all this is correct info will the focus confirmation indicator be a green light or a red dot? :-)

-Dave-
I had hoped to use Nikon’s manual focus confirmation with my M lenses but it only works with Z lenses. Apparently it needs certain info from the lens for this to work. What or why I can’t imagine. It would be nice if Leica could implement this though.
I understand some VC lenses work also.
 
There's a short piece on this here:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leak-...ct-body-hints-at-a-lower-price.1096170.0.html

I find this sentence particularly interesting: "A new function button is said to enable digital frame lines to be displayed in the viewfinder." This implies the VF is a dual optical/EVF gizmo, something like the one Fuji has used in their X-Pro models.

A quote from the allegedly leaked marketing materials backs this up: "Frame selection lever with dual FN functionality for viewfinder." This sounds like the frameline lever is now a two-position switch, not a button, offering either optical or electronic viewfinder options. Or maybe in optical mode it still is a frameline selector, and you push it in like a button to switch modes.

This then raises the question: if there's an optical VF mode but no rangefinder how do you focus "optically?" This can be done, of course. Various Nikon Z cameras have manual focus confirmation, as did the Pentax K10D I owned c. 2007. The Pentax allowed me to focus my 50mm f/1.2 wide open with excellent accuracy.

So if all this is correct info will the focus confirmation indicator be a green light or a red dot? :-)

-Dave-
I had hoped to use Nikon’s manual focus confirmation with my M lenses but it only works with Z lenses. Apparently it needs certain info from the lens for this to work. What or why I can’t imagine. It would be nice if Leica could implement this though.
I understand some VC lenses work also.
You need lenses with electronic contacts, like VC lenses for Z mount.
 
I did not say that previous camera were unusable. However, punch in on a 9m dot EVF versus a 3 or 5M dot EVF and there is a difference. I have and use cameras in those ranges, but the higher the resolution, the easier it is.
 
I did not say that previous camera were unusable. However, punch in on a 9m dot EVF versus a 3 or 5M dot EVF and there is a difference. I have and use cameras in those ranges, but the higher the resolution, the easier it is.
Manual focusing magnified seems easier with the 5MP EVF of X2D than the 9MP EVF of GFX 100 II.
 
I had hoped to use Nikon’s manual focus confirmation with my M lenses but it only works with Z lenses. Apparently it needs certain info from the lens for this to work. What or why I can’t imagine. It would be nice if Leica could implement this though.
I'm not sure how the Pentax K10D's focus confirmation worked—I presume it was contrast based—but the K mount 50/1.2 has no contacts to tell a camera what lens it is. Nikon may be "protecting" their native lenses, along with those of prefered partners like Cosina, via their implementation.

-Dave-
 
... its only a few days and we will know.
 
https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/19/...cture-of-the-rumored-leica-m-ev1-camera.aspx/

If this picture is real, why does it still have a rangefinder window?
I doubt the image is legit…but I suspect the camera itself is.

-Dave-
Dave,

Here's the photo I see from that link but I don't see a rangefinder window..............???



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It's just my educated opinion. Don't get bent out of shape.
Steve
 

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