Panasonic: MIA

Panasonic LUMIX m43:

Number of cameras released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2024: 0

Number of lenses released in 2023: 0

And we were worried about Olympus?
Olympus left the camera business years ago!

The reason why Olympus left the camera market and Lumix is focusing on the L-Mount is because M43 market share shrunk. This happened around the time when Sony A7iii, Canon R and Nikon Z cameras were being released.

Slowdown in sales meant less M43 releases and pro camera bodies more expensive than Fuji APS-C and just as expensive as budget friendly Full Frame cameras. Lumix could easily release a M43 version of the S9, S 100mm 2.8 and the S 100-500 but they didn't. The reason is they don't believe in the M43 market anymore partly because it been gobbled up by Fuji and the other because their sales isn't great.

Another thing to consider is the standard Full Frame mirrorless bodies are so good, you don't need to upgrade every a few years like everyone doing with M43 cameras! What more you don't need so many lenses because Full sensors can handle low light better than M43 and as a result you only need a few primes because zooms can handle most situations.

What made m43 attractive active to me is small bodies, small lenses and affordability. Guess that's mostly gone!

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The question is what would they add?
how about a GX9 successor with their 25mp sensor, and great video, IBIS, and subject detect like in the S9?
Lol, I figured this would pop up. The rumor mill had that Panasonic planned a GX10 for release years ago (most likely not with 25MP sensor, which probably didn't exist yet), but the pandemic killed it. Not sure if they have the desire to revive that idea now. The gist I get is the GX9 wasn't that good of a seller (GX85 was far more successful).
GX85 size would be even better

but a front facing screen is needed
I suppose it depends on how well the S9 sells and how well the G100 did (information we don't know).
the S9 has been well liked once the video record limit was removed and a more compact AF lens was released (instead of the terrible manual focus F8 pancake)
and a remake of the 20/1.7 with better glass, AF and weather sealing to complement the new GX release?

a quality new WR compact GX with an accompanying set of quality WR pancakes would be top of my 'would like' list
This seems overly wishlist, not necessarily something that would sell very well. I doubt they can design a 20mm with the same form factor, IQ, and with notably better AF. The 20mm AF is a function of it's design, which is that the groups move together to focus (which means slower focus speed), but results in a lens with good IQ and a compact size.
man, m43 users on here really are a bunch of defeatists... can't make a lens unless there's no competition, can't make anything better, can't put new tech in a small body, can't make profit, small phone sensors are better, can't compete against ff...

the list goes on

i don't buy that the old lenses can't be remade to be superior and look more modern

but hey, if there are "no gaps left" in the lens line up and they can't remake old lenses and make them better then we're a bit stuck aren't we

maybe they can just make their cameras bigger?? a GX10 the size of a GFX100?

imagine if Fuji had followed the logic on this forum /facepalm/
 
Panasonic LUMIX m43:

Number of cameras released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2024: 0

Number of lenses released in 2023: 0

And we were worried about Olympus?
In the last couple years, Panasonic has given us a few of the best m43 hybrid cameras on the market: The incomparable video-creators' drool-toy, the GH7... and the incredible first PDAF-equipped Lumix, m43-megapixel-ceiling busting, FF chassis recycling, DR boost chicanery-employing G9ii.

And last, let us not forget to hide our credit cards as we round things up with the unbelievably innovative, USB-C and firmware upgraded sequel to the mid-range-monster G95... the all-new G97.

Doing nothing? Or simply taking a breather to enjoy the product launch momentum because there are simply no worlds left to conquer in m43 for the next few years.

😂
The rounded up G100D with C-mount port and OLED evf - does not seem to have even managed to make it to the dpreview listing as a new model .......
Shame on me for omitting it!
Nah, if it went under the dpreview radar I imagine that there is no disgrace in missing the fact that the only obvious difference is the D suffix. But it is said that the OLED evf, at least, is a significant improvement.

In times of slowing advances in technology surely our churn-over mores must take a back seat to smaller in-production changes to well conceived camera bodies.

The G100/D as a camera body is a strong player into its particular niche-type of camera body.

As far as lenses run then the M4/3 system is already well replete with many lenses to choose from (as already has been mentioned on this thread). If there was only a way to release a subtle change in paint scheme for a lens to reckon as a new model then OMS and Panasonic could have a heyday with new lens models and satisfy the thirst for new product without needing to make new product ..... Then we could examine colour charts and decide on the success or otherwise of the new colour schemes.

I bought a Panasonic Leica 45/2.8 Macro a while ago - a great lens and an early (2009) Panasonic M4/3 mount lenses - it can still be bought.

It seems that we have become used to regular releases of new product that we can argue our gearheads off about and pick and choose whether or not we actually buy any new gear offered from a wide catalogue on offer.

Consider that the major manufacturers with huge sales into a shrinking market have to keep their own productions lines churning with continual updates of much the same thing.

At least if their lens systems are less mature can continue to offer brand new lens release excitements more often.

Is that what we want? (speaking to the thread) The excitement of the new without any compulsion to buy.

I imagine that if we actually bought more product then new product would multiply.

I am frankly tuckered out try to wear out my seemingly indestructible legion of gear that I already have. I don't think that I am alone.

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Tom Caldwell
 
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Sounds like you have a camera users problem and a lack of photographic skills. The majority here are able to produce great results with what is available camera and lens wise.

Maybe you need to buy Fuji gear instead, atleast that may make you happy if not anything else.
 
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Panasonic LUMIX m43:

Number of cameras released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2024: 0

Number of lenses released in 2023: 0

And we were worried about Olympus?
Olympus m43:
Number of cameras released since 2021: 0
Number of lenses released since 2021: 0

However, for the year ending March 2025, Olympus Corporation reported a net profit of USD $780 million. Olympus is doing fine :-P
 
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Panasonic LUMIX m43:

Number of cameras released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2024: 0

Number of lenses released in 2023: 0

And we were worried about Olympus?
Honestly, I'd much rather JIP do what Panasonic does and bring new sensors, higher resolution, and genuinely investing in R&D to improve image quality, like implementing DR boost.


I'd much rather have that than a company that just dumps money into marketing and uses whatever little R&D budget left to recycle the same camera into 20 different iterations. Add USB C + new color and call it a new camera, or add ram + FW update and call it a new camera.

At least with Panasonic, I'm excited when they launch a new flagship. I know they'll bring something new to the table. It might not be perfect, but it shows they're trying. With JIP, 99% chance it's the same old sh*t rehashed in a different shell to drain more retirement fund from old folk.
 
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draining retirement funds from old folk helps pay wages for the younger folk
It sure does! The sponsored YouTube videos aren't cheap.
 
GX85 size would be even better

but a front facing screen is needed
I suppose it depends on how well the S9 sells and how well the G100 did (information we don't know).
the S9 has been well liked once the video record limit was removed and a more compact AF lens was released (instead of the terrible manual focus F8 pancake)
I guess we will see. I'm not sure people will like a S9 (same size as GX85/GX9 but no EVF, mechanical shutter, nor any flash support) in MFT format. Perhaps if they can add some features back and recycle as much as they can on the body.

To be clear, as a GX85 owner I would love to see a 25MP PDAF GX10 (heck would even be glad to see one with the G9's capabilities in AF and high res mode), but I'm just a realist in seeing why Panasonic might not see it as making much market sense.
and a remake of the 20/1.7 with better glass, AF and weather sealing to complement the new GX release?

a quality new WR compact GX with an accompanying set of quality WR pancakes would be top of my 'would like' list
This seems overly wishlist, not necessarily something that would sell very well. I doubt they can design a 20mm with the same form factor, IQ, and with notably better AF. The 20mm AF is a function of it's design, which is that the groups move together to focus (which means slower focus speed), but results in a lens with good IQ and a compact size.
man, m43 users on here really are a bunch of defeatists... can't make a lens unless there's no competition, can't make anything better, can't put new tech in a small body, can't make profit, small phone sensors are better, can't compete against ff...

the list goes on

i don't buy that the old lenses can't be remade to be superior and look more modern

but hey, if there are "no gaps left" in the lens line up and they can't remake old lenses and make them better then we're a bit stuck aren't we
I'm just pointing out that if they remake that specific lens in any significant way, most likely something will give (size, IQ, or AF). If they just refresh the styling and add weather sealing, people will still complain here that it's not enough of a commitment (Panasonic already did for a bunch of lenses).
maybe they can just make their cameras bigger?? a GX10 the size of a GFX100?

imagine if Fuji had followed the logic on this forum /facepalm/
Who is asking for a bigger rangefinder? It's not even certain they want to reintroduce something the size of the previous GX9. The GX8 I remember didn't sell well and people here said to was "too big," so I doubt they want to try that again (it was for that reason why GX9 was much closer to a GX85 than a GX8).
 
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GX85 size would be even better

but a front facing screen is needed
I suppose it depends on how well the S9 sells and how well the G100 did (information we don't know).
the S9 has been well liked once the video record limit was removed and a more compact AF lens was released (instead of the terrible manual focus F8 pancake)
I guess we will see. I'm not sure people will like a S9 (same size as GX85/GX9 but no EVF, mechanical shutter, nor any flash support) in MFT format. Perhaps if they can add some features back and recycle as much as they can on the body.
I have an S9 and GX9 and although their front profile might be similar the S9 is significantly deeper and is a veritable brick to use compared to the GX9. No way is it going to appeal to GX9 users. Unlike the G9II which is very much similar to hold than the G9 with some detail improvements in ergonomics. Whilst both are good to hold the G9II is nicer in my book.

In my opinion the S9 body would not play well if it were made in M4/3 form. The G100D looks a whole lot like it is the affordable, compact, replacement for the GX9 even if it does not (yet) have IBIS.
To be clear, as a GX85 owner I would love to see a 25MP PDAF GX10 (heck would even be glad to see one with the G9's capabilities in AF and high res mode), but I'm just a realist in seeing why Panasonic might not see it as making much market sense.
More likely to get a G200D with the 25mp sensor and PDAF with IBIS and a much steeper price than the sweet little G100D.
and a remake of the 20/1.7 with better glass, AF and weather sealing to complement the new GX release?

a quality new WR compact GX with an accompanying set of quality WR pancakes would be top of my 'would like' list
This seems overly wishlist, not necessarily something that would sell very well. I doubt they can design a 20mm with the same form factor, IQ, and with notably better AF. The 20mm AF is a function of it's design, which is that the groups move together to focus (which means slower focus speed), but results in a lens with good IQ and a compact size.
man, m43 users on here really are a bunch of defeatists... can't make a lens unless there's no competition, can't make anything better, can't put new tech in a small body, can't make profit, small phone sensors are better, can't compete against ff...

the list goes on

i don't buy that the old lenses can't be remade to be superior and look more modern

but hey, if there are "no gaps left" in the lens line up and they can't remake old lenses and make them better then we're a bit stuck aren't we
I'm just pointing out that if they remake that specific lens in any significant way, most likely something will give (size, IQ, or AF). If they just refresh the styling and add weather sealing, people will still complain here that it's not enough of a commitment (Panasonic already did for a bunch of lenses).
maybe they can just make their cameras bigger?? a GX10 the size of a GFX100?

imagine if Fuji had followed the logic on this forum /facepalm/
Who is asking for a bigger rangefinder? It's not even certain they want to reintroduce something the size of the previous GX9. The GX8 I remember didn't sell well and people here said to was "too big," so I doubt they want to try that again (it was for that reason why GX9 was much closer to a GX85 than a GX8).
I did not realise that there was any real difference in body sizes GX7->GX85->GX9.
 
GX85 size would be even better

but a front facing screen is needed
I suppose it depends on how well the S9 sells and how well the G100 did (information we don't know).
the S9 has been well liked once the video record limit was removed and a more compact AF lens was released (instead of the terrible manual focus F8 pancake)
I guess we will see. I'm not sure people will like a S9 (same size as GX85/GX9 but no EVF, mechanical shutter, nor any flash support) in MFT format. Perhaps if they can add some features back and recycle as much as they can on the body.
I have an S9 and GX9 and although their front profile might be similar the S9 is significantly deeper and is a veritable brick to use compared to the GX9. No way is it going to appeal to GX9 users. Unlike the G9II which is very much similar to hold than the G9 with some detail improvements in ergonomics. Whilst both are good to hold the G9II is nicer in my book.

In my opinion the S9 body would not play well if it were made in M4/3 form. The G100D looks a whole lot like it is the affordable, compact, replacement for the GX9 even if it does not (yet) have IBIS.
I didn't realize this as I only compared the front size and they were similar. Looking from the top, you are correct the S9 is significantly chunkier. The size of the L-mount and the gripless body makes it look smaller than it actually is (especially as it reminds so much of the absolutely tiny GM1). I would prefer myself to keep the GX85/GX9 style body, but I'm just concerned they probably shut down the tooling for that already and they probably want to consolidate body styles like they did for the G9 II.
To be clear, as a GX85 owner I would love to see a 25MP PDAF GX10 (heck would even be glad to see one with the G9's capabilities in AF and high res mode), but I'm just a realist in seeing why Panasonic might not see it as making much market sense.
More likely to get a G200D with the 25mp sensor and PDAF with IBIS and a much steeper price than the sweet little G100D.
and a remake of the 20/1.7 with better glass, AF and weather sealing to complement the new GX release?

a quality new WR compact GX with an accompanying set of quality WR pancakes would be top of my 'would like' list
This seems overly wishlist, not necessarily something that would sell very well. I doubt they can design a 20mm with the same form factor, IQ, and with notably better AF. The 20mm AF is a function of it's design, which is that the groups move together to focus (which means slower focus speed), but results in a lens with good IQ and a compact size.
man, m43 users on here really are a bunch of defeatists... can't make a lens unless there's no competition, can't make anything better, can't put new tech in a small body, can't make profit, small phone sensors are better, can't compete against ff...

the list goes on

i don't buy that the old lenses can't be remade to be superior and look more modern

but hey, if there are "no gaps left" in the lens line up and they can't remake old lenses and make them better then we're a bit stuck aren't we
I'm just pointing out that if they remake that specific lens in any significant way, most likely something will give (size, IQ, or AF). If they just refresh the styling and add weather sealing, people will still complain here that it's not enough of a commitment (Panasonic already did for a bunch of lenses).
maybe they can just make their cameras bigger?? a GX10 the size of a GFX100?

imagine if Fuji had followed the logic on this forum /facepalm/
Who is asking for a bigger rangefinder? It's not even certain they want to reintroduce something the size of the previous GX9. The GX8 I remember didn't sell well and people here said to was "too big," so I doubt they want to try that again (it was for that reason why GX9 was much closer to a GX85 than a GX8).
I did not realise that there was any real difference in body sizes GX7->GX85->GX9.
The differences are very subtle. The GX7 had a much larger grip than both, but the rest appears to be within a 1mm (with actually the GX7 bigger). The GX9 is also a tiny bit bigger than the GX85 in every dimension (although still within 2mm for width and height), with the biggest change being the tilting EVF (which it shares with the GX8) which makes it stick out more. GX9 also gained an EC dial and a focus mode dial from the GX8, but mainly kept the same body.

Of course, as you may know, the 3 cameras are named GX7, GX7MK2, GX7MK3 in Japan, so that kind of tells the actual lineage, although the name in other markets makes it sound like the GX9 is a GX8 successor.
 
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GX85 size would be even better

but a front facing screen is needed
I suppose it depends on how well the S9 sells and how well the G100 did (information we don't know).
the S9 has been well liked once the video record limit was removed and a more compact AF lens was released (instead of the terrible manual focus F8 pancake)
I guess we will see. I'm not sure people will like a S9 (same size as GX85/GX9 but no EVF, mechanical shutter, nor any flash support) in MFT format. Perhaps if they can add some features back and recycle as much as they can on the body.
I have an S9 and GX9 and although their front profile might be similar the S9 is significantly deeper and is a veritable brick to use compared to the GX9. No way is it going to appeal to GX9 users. Unlike the G9II which is very much similar to hold than the G9 with some detail improvements in ergonomics. Whilst both are good to hold the G9II is nicer in my book.

In my opinion the S9 body would not play well if it were made in M4/3 form. The G100D looks a whole lot like it is the affordable, compact, replacement for the GX9 even if it does not (yet) have IBIS.
I didn't realize this as I only compared the front size and they were similar. Looking from the top, you are correct the S9 is significantly chunkier. The size of the L-mount and the gripless body makes it look smaller than it actually is (especially as it reminds so much of the absolutely tiny GM1). I would prefer myself to keep the GX85/GX9 style body, but I'm just concerned they probably shut down the tooling for that already and they probably want to consolidate body styles like they did for the G9 II.
To be clear, as a GX85 owner I would love to see a 25MP PDAF GX10 (heck would even be glad to see one with the G9's capabilities in AF and high res mode), but I'm just a realist in seeing why Panasonic might not see it as making much market sense.
More likely to get a G200D with the 25mp sensor and PDAF with IBIS and a much steeper price than the sweet little G100D.
and a remake of the 20/1.7 with better glass, AF and weather sealing to complement the new GX release?

a quality new WR compact GX with an accompanying set of quality WR pancakes would be top of my 'would like' list
This seems overly wishlist, not necessarily something that would sell very well. I doubt they can design a 20mm with the same form factor, IQ, and with notably better AF. The 20mm AF is a function of it's design, which is that the groups move together to focus (which means slower focus speed), but results in a lens with good IQ and a compact size.
man, m43 users on here really are a bunch of defeatists... can't make a lens unless there's no competition, can't make anything better, can't put new tech in a small body, can't make profit, small phone sensors are better, can't compete against ff...

the list goes on

i don't buy that the old lenses can't be remade to be superior and look more modern

but hey, if there are "no gaps left" in the lens line up and they can't remake old lenses and make them better then we're a bit stuck aren't we
I'm just pointing out that if they remake that specific lens in any significant way, most likely something will give (size, IQ, or AF). If they just refresh the styling and add weather sealing, people will still complain here that it's not enough of a commitment (Panasonic already did for a bunch of lenses).
maybe they can just make their cameras bigger?? a GX10 the size of a GFX100?

imagine if Fuji had followed the logic on this forum /facepalm/
Who is asking for a bigger rangefinder? It's not even certain they want to reintroduce something the size of the previous GX9. The GX8 I remember didn't sell well and people here said to was "too big," so I doubt they want to try that again (it was for that reason why GX9 was much closer to a GX85 than a GX8).
I did not realise that there was any real difference in body sizes GX7->GX85->GX9.
The differences are very subtle. The GX7 had a much larger grip than both, but the rest appears to be within a 1mm (with actually the GX7 bigger). The GX9 is also a tiny bit bigger than the GX85 in every dimension (although still within 2mm for width and height), with the biggest change being the tilting EVF (which it shares with the GX8) which makes it stick out more. GX9 also gained an EC dial and a focus mode dial from the GX8, but mainly kept the same body.

Of course, as you may know, the 3 cameras are named GX7, GX7MK2, GX7MK3 in Japan, so that kind of tells the actual lineage, although the name in other markets makes it sound like the GX9 is a GX8 successor.
The GX7 had a tilting evf as well. It disappeared on the GX85 along with the AF/MF switch. Both came back for the GX9. The tilting evf was not something I really set my personal cap on, but I didn't mind others having use of it. On the GX7 I found it most useful for its facility of hiding a decent sized dioptre control underneath.

I don't think that GX8 was a raging success. Another one of those camera bodies that did not sell well at the price Panasonic wanted to sell it. After being sold off "cheaper" it became a darling for those that had bought it.

However the GX85 aka GX7II, seems to have been a resounding success and sold well at a price Panasonic obviously made money at. Not that we would normally accept that the GX85 was a better targeted and marketed camera than the GX8 which is a favourite that still gets a lot of love. Perhaps mainly because its type will never be directly repeated.

Reminds me of my GM5 bodies ..... :)

The grip on the GX7 had an angled battery/card compartment. The later models had it placed in a more conventional parallel manner - not really an improvement for accessing its contents.
 
Sounds like you have a camera users problem and a lack of photographic skills. The majority here are able to produce great results with what is available camera and lens wise.


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in that case you should contact camera makers and tell them all there's no need to make any new gear - after all "the majority are able to produce great results with what is available camera and lens wise"

tell DPReview to shut up shop and take the site down... what use is it anymore if there is no need for better gear? contact software makers and tell them there's no need to make their NR software any better, printers are as good as we'll ever need, because after all "the majority are able to produce great results with what is available camera and lens wise"

why stop there? call the car makers and tell them to stop making cars. after all what's the point if we can already get from A to B with what we have?

end commerce. there is no need for advances in tech as we all already have what we need

what on earth are all these companies doing trying to sell us stuff??
 
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what on earth are all these companies doing trying to sell us stuff??
making a profit at the expense of angry ants like you, that sounds like a reasonable activity.

ps they also provide employment opportunities
 
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There is nothing better for success than doing what everyone else is already doing! 🤣
I feel confident Panasonic know what they are doing. The market for M43 is small.
Excuse me, could you tell me who made it small?
1. The closing gap between smartphones and fullframe cameras.

2. The OM System marketing niche "birds in flight while it is raining"

3. Not existing LUMIX MFT marketing.

Good Thing: MFT users are rare/special and used gear is getting cheaper every day.
 
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what on earth are all these companies doing trying to sell us stuff??
making a profit at the expense of angry ants like you, that sounds like a reasonable activity.
you know what they say about people that resort to personal insults

thank you for showing what type of person you are
ps they also provide employment opportunities
 
Panasonic LUMIX m43:

Number of cameras released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2024: 0

Number of lenses released in 2023: 0

And we were worried about Olympus?
I mentioned this already back during the S1R.2 release on this forum: with a wink and a nod from Panasonic employees, the eventual GH8 will be the next MFT camera body released. If the GH8 ends up being a blockbuster hit, Lumix MFT will live on. If no, then the entire system will be frozen in-time with 100% development into L-mount.

This is all UNOFFICIAL from Panasonic, but if you look at the behavior since then, it fits the narrative. I obtained this based upon the questions I was asking them at the time to convince me on upgrading my S1R to the S1R.2 vs waiting for upgrade to G9.2/OM-1.1 (the next MFT system). How they answered my questions didn't sit well for MFT.
 
The question is what would they add?
OM seems to own the market on stills. Lumix owns the market on Video. Therefore Lumix will only evaluate lenses moving forward designed for video more than stills because an OM body owner most likely will not consider a Lumix lens.

This eliminates the need for releasing a new macro lens that competes against OM 90mm.
 
Panasonic LUMIX m43:

Number of cameras released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2025: 0

Number of lenses released in 2024: 0

Number of lenses released in 2023: 0

And we were worried about Olympus?
I mentioned this already back during the S1R.2 release on this forum: with a wink and a nod from Panasonic employees, the eventual GH8 will be the next MFT camera body released. If the GH8 ends up being a blockbuster hit, Lumix MFT will live on. If no, then the entire system will be frozen in-time with 100% development into L-mount.

This is all UNOFFICIAL from Panasonic, but if you look at the behavior since then, it fits the narrative. I obtained this based upon the questions I was asking them at the time to convince me on upgrading my S1R to the S1R.2 vs waiting for upgrade to G9.2/OM-1.1 (the next MFT system). How they answered my questions didn't sit well for MFT.
What?

When will the GH8 arrive? Maybe in 3-4 years and you are sure, that no other LUMIX MFT will be released until then?

What will come Oktober 17th if not a MFT? S1H2?
 

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