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Hey everyone, I'm having trouble with the Pixel shift mode on my E-M5 mark II.

More specifically, I'm having trouble seeing any sharpness difference between the pixel shift images and the regular capture, which considering the resolution difference of the RAW files (64MP vs 16MP) seems very strange to me.

Before anyone asks, I have made sure that I have the correct file is selected : metadata confirms the higher resolution and the file is much bigger.

At first I thought this was a processing issue on my end, but I got an E-M1 mark II a couple of months ago, and the pixel shift capture works flawlessly there, I'm really seeing a big difference between the 80MP images and the 20MP single capture RAW files.

Is this a matter of settings in the E-M5ii? Is there a way to process those files that would differ from the pixel shift captures from the E-M1ii?

I'm at a bit of a loss here. If anyone has any ideas.
 
MJ_Photo38 said:
Hey everyone, I'm having trouble with the Pixel shift mode on my E-M5 mark II.

More specifically, I'm having trouble seeing any sharpness difference between the pixel shift images and the regular capture,
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Until you show the photos, no one will see any difference in sharpness between the two shots.
MJ_Photo38 said:
I'm at a bit of a loss here. If anyone has any ideas.
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If you're working with the high resolution raw files, you have to apply a lot of sharpening.

It would be helpful if you post 1:1 crops that demonstrate the difference between the output of both cameras. You may also want to mention which software you use to develop and view the images.
 
SonyX said:
Until you show the photos, no one will see any difference in sharpness between the two shots.
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I don't have the photos on hand right now (not at home), but if you read the post, you would already know there is absolutely no difference in the images that I'm getting.
 
Danielvr said:
If you're working with the high resolution raw files, you have to apply a lot of sharpening.

It would be helpful if you post 1:1 crops that demonstrate the difference between the output of both cameras. You may also want to mention which software you use to develop and view the images.
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Hi, I'll try to post crops of those files tonight when I get home. I already got the advice of sharpening in the past, and it didn't amount to anything, as applying sharpening lead to the pixel shift image showing more detail than the single capture with the same sharpening applied.

Also, I'm using Capture One.
 
MJ_Photo38 said:
Hey everyone, I'm having trouble with the Pixel shift mode on my E-M5 mark II.

More specifically, I'm having trouble seeing any sharpness difference between the pixel shift images and the regular capture, which considering the resolution difference of the RAW files (64MP vs 16MP) seems very strange to me.

Before anyone asks, I have made sure that I have the correct file is selected : metadata confirms the higher resolution and the file is much bigger.

At first I thought this was a processing issue on my end, but I got an E-M1 mark II a couple of months ago, and the pixel shift capture works flawlessly there, I'm really seeing a big difference between the 80MP images and the 20MP single capture RAW files.

Is this a matter of settings in the E-M5ii? Is there a way to process those files that would differ from the pixel shift captures from the E-M1ii?

I'm at a bit of a loss here. If anyone has any ideas.
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I think most people are a bit underwhelmed when they see what should be 4 times the resolution. Sensor shift will never match straight 80MP. But what you should see is a substantial reduction in noise and improved dynamic range. To get the best out of it, it's best to process in OM Workspace. Processing the high res modes in Lightroom was terrible but now that they have the AI Denoise feature, I think it could be as good as OM Workspace if not better.
 
Bobapingu said:
MJ_Photo38 said:
Hey everyone, I'm having trouble with the Pixel shift mode on my E-M5 mark II.

More specifically, I'm having trouble seeing any sharpness difference between the pixel shift images and the regular capture, which considering the resolution difference of the RAW files (64MP vs 16MP) seems very strange to me.

Before anyone asks, I have made sure that I have the correct file is selected : metadata confirms the higher resolution and the file is much bigger.

At first I thought this was a processing issue on my end, but I got an E-M1 mark II a couple of months ago, and the pixel shift capture works flawlessly there, I'm really seeing a big difference between the 80MP images and the 20MP single capture RAW files.

Is this a matter of settings in the E-M5ii? Is there a way to process those files that would differ from the pixel shift captures from the E-M1ii?

I'm at a bit of a loss here. If anyone has any ideas.
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I think most people are a bit underwhelmed when they see what should be 4 times the resolution. Sensor shift will never match straight 80MP. But what you should see is a substantial reduction in noise and improved dynamic range.
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I do see a significant detail upgrade between the 80MP and 20MP shots on my E-M1II, though. So even if there is added dynamic range and lowered noise levels, there is also more detail.
Bobapingu said:
To get the best out of it, it's best to process in OM Workspace.
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I haven't used OM Workspace yet, maybe I'll try it tonight.
Bobapingu said:
Processing the high res modes in Lightroom was terrible but now that they have the AI Denoise feature, I think it could be as good as OM Workspace if not better.
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MJ_Photo38 said:
Hey everyone, I'm having trouble with the Pixel shift mode on my E-M5 mark II.

More specifically, I'm having trouble seeing any sharpness difference between the pixel shift images and the regular capture, which considering the resolution difference of the RAW files (64MP vs 16MP) seems very strange to me.

Before anyone asks, I have made sure that I have the correct file is selected : metadata confirms the higher resolution and the file is much bigger.

At first I thought this was a processing issue on my end, but I got an E-M1 mark II a couple of months ago, and the pixel shift capture works flawlessly there, I'm really seeing a big difference between the 80MP images and the 20MP single capture RAW files.

Is this a matter of settings in the E-M5ii? Is there a way to process those files that would differ from the pixel shift captures from the E-M1ii?

I'm at a bit of a loss here. If anyone has any ideas.
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MJ_Photo38 said:
SonyX said:
Until you show the photos, no one will see any difference in sharpness between the two shots.
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I don't have the photos on hand right now (not at home), but if you read the post, you would already know there is absolutely no difference in the images that I'm getting.
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I don't have Olympus, and rarely use the Hi-Res on G9
the difference is not always obvious

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I would also suggest to try other RAW converters, to see which one could pull more details from Hi res shots

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SonyX said:
MJ_Photo38 said:
SonyX said:
Until you show the photos, no one will see any difference in sharpness between the two shots.
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I don't have the photos on hand right now (not at home), but if you read the post, you would already know there is absolutely no difference in the images that I'm getting.
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I don't have Olympus, and rarely use the Hi-Res on G9
the difference is not always obvious

c18d6d3b7f684d1c99495164c4d384b2.jpg

I would also suggest to try other RAW converters, to see which one could pull more details from Hi res shots
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I'll try to take some samples tonight, but from what I can see in the example you posted, the difference is pretty obvious and close to the difference that I see with my E-M1 mark II.

I simply don't see such a difference with the E-M5ii images

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I have an E-M5iii, so there may be differences, but be sure to turn off IS and to select the JPEG file quality in the control panel while in HR mode...check to be sure you have selected the highest "quality" JPEG + RAW for the HR output. I think this is done automatically on the E-M5iii, but the 5ii might be different. Use OMWorkspace to process, and obviously use a tripod.

I very seldom use HR because I don't see "a tremendous difference" between normal and HR unless I pixel peep, but it is definitely there when I do. It seems very unlikely, but I suppose that there might be a glitch in your 5ii that is preventing HR from working as it should, so if all else fails try a full factory reset and go from there.

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MJ_Photo38 said:
I already got the advice of sharpening in the past, and it didn't amount to anything, as applying sharpening lead to the pixel shift image showing more detail than the single capture with the same sharpening applied.
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You may have to apply sharpening with a larger radius to the high res file.
MJ_Photo38 said:
Also, I'm using Capture One.
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Be sure to give OM Workspace a try. That's the native developer which you can trust to offer good results. With 3d party software, there's no such assurance.

Once you get good results in Workspace, you can try to replicate them in your preferred software.
 
SonyX said:
David5833 said:
I have an E-M5iii, so there may be differences, but be sure to turn off IS
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what a reason for that?
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If it's not done automatically it would conflict with the sensor moving to accomplish pixel shift. I don't know if it is automatic on the E-M5ii as it is on the E-M5iii.
 
MJ_Photo38 said:
Danielvr said:
If you're working with the high resolution raw files, you have to apply a lot of sharpening.

It would be helpful if you post 1:1 crops that demonstrate the difference between the output of both cameras. You may also want to mention which software you use to develop and view the images.
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Hi, I'll try to post crops of those files tonight when I get home. I already got the advice of sharpening in the past, and it didn't amount to anything, as applying sharpening lead to the pixel shift image showing more detail than the single capture with the same sharpening applied.

Also, I'm using Capture One.
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I don't use Capture One, but according to this Q&A , Capture One doesn't support pixel shift processing of Olympus/OMS cameras. That would explain why you're not seeing any improvement in the EM5ii pixel shift shots but then raises the question of why you see improvements with the EM1ii pixel shift shots. Rather odd unless partial support has been added since the date of the Q&A.

NOTE: Because of the way Oly/OMS pixel shift raws are generated by the camere, there's actually no compelling reason why Capture One shouldn't support them natively, so I'm also a little skeptical about the Q&A being relevant to Oly/OMS pixel shift raws. The example given in the Q&A relates to a different kind of pixel shift which involves extracting and processing multiple layers in the raw file. That's not how Oly/OMS pixel shifts work.
 
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David5833 said:
SonyX said:
David5833 said:
I have an E-M5iii, so there may be differences, but be sure to turn off IS
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what a reason for that?
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If it's not done automatically it would conflict with the sensor moving to accomplish pixel shift. I don't know if it is automatic on the E-M5ii as it is on the E-M5iii.
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For handheld HR you want IBIS on so that individual frames arr sharp at slower shutter speeds. For tripod HR, IBIS is turned off.

So, no, you do not want to turn IS off when shooting in HR mode.
David5833 said:
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/143821723@N06/
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knickerhawk said:
MJ_Photo38 said:
Danielvr said:
If you're working with the high resolution raw files, you have to apply a lot of sharpening.

It would be helpful if you post 1:1 crops that demonstrate the difference between the output of both cameras. You may also want to mention which software you use to develop and view the images.
Click to expand...
Hi, I'll try to post crops of those files tonight when I get home. I already got the advice of sharpening in the past, and it didn't amount to anything, as applying sharpening lead to the pixel shift image showing more detail than the single capture with the same sharpening applied.

Also, I'm using Capture One.
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I don't use Capture One, but according to this Q&A , Capture One doesn't support pixel shift processing of Olympus/OMS cameras.
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C1 does not need to process pixel shift files. Unlike Sony's and Nikon's pixel shift, Olympus and Panasonics process pixel shift files in the camera. BTW, HHHR is not pixel shifted.

The linked Q&A adresses Sony and Nikon issue (merging in post).
knickerhawk said:
That would explain why you're not seeing any improvement in the EM5ii pixel shift shots but then raises the question of why you see improvements with the EM1ii pixel shift shots. Rather odd unless partial support has been added since the date of the Q&A.

NOTE: Because of the way Oly/OMS pixel shift raws are generated by the camere, there's actually no compelling reason why Capture One shouldn't support them natively, so I'm also a little skeptical about the Q&A being relevant to Oly/OMS pixel shift raws. The example given in the Q&A relates to a different kind of pixel shift which involves extracting and processing multiple layers in the raw file. That's not how Oly/OMS pixel shifts work.
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MJ_Photo38 said:
Hey everyone, I'm having trouble with the Pixel shift mode on my E-M5 mark II.

More specifically, I'm having trouble seeing any sharpness difference between the pixel shift images and the regular capture, which considering the resolution difference of the RAW files (64MP vs 16MP) seems very strange to me.
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One thing to keep in mind: oversampling the sensor, which is what pixel shifting does, isn't the same thing as increasing the sensor's pixel count. The main benefits of oversampling are greatly reduced aliasing and reduced noise. That said, I owned an E-M5ii for awhile and found its multi-shot mode worked well. Besides the aliasing/noise benefit the larger files were also more detailed.

Without seeing sample pics, even just full-res crops of regular & multi-shot versions of the same pics, it's not possible to go further. Could be an issue with your E-M5ii or with a menu setting or ??

-Dave-
 
SrMi said:
David5833 said:
SonyX said:
David5833 said:
I have an E-M5iii, so there may be differences, but be sure to turn off IS
Click to expand...
what a reason for that?
Click to expand...
If it's not done automatically it would conflict with the sensor moving to accomplish pixel shift. I don't know if it is automatic on the E-M5ii as it is on the E-M5iii.
Click to expand...
For handheld HR you want IBIS on so that individual frames arr sharp at slower shutter speeds. For tripod HR, IBIS is turned off.
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The E-M5ii, like the E-M5iii, does not have HHHR, so the only option is Tripod HR.
SrMi said:
So, no, you do not want to turn IS off when shooting in HR mode.
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???
 
David5833 said:
SrMi said:
David5833 said:
SonyX said:
David5833 said:
I have an E-M5iii, so there may be differences, but be sure to turn off IS
Click to expand...
what a reason for that?
Click to expand...
If it's not done automatically it would conflict with the sensor moving to accomplish pixel shift. I don't know if it is automatic on the E-M5ii as it is on the E-M5iii.
Click to expand...
For handheld HR you want IBIS on so that individual frames arr sharp at slower shutter speeds. For tripod HR, IBIS is turned off.
Click to expand...
The E-M5ii, like the E-M5iii, does not have HHHR, so the only option is Tripod HR.
David5833 said:
So, no, you do not want to turn IS off when shooting in HR mode.
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???
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Because IS is off, otherwise pixel shift (tripod) cannot work.
David5833 said:
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/143821723@N06/
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