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robert1955 said:
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”storming” ? No, click on the button to cancel account and go without any fuss.
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You're showing up as "(unknown member)" in the threaded view now, so it looks like you didn't wait for the switchover and put your money where your mouth is. Good luck on all your future endeavors.
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Yes it seems premature because no final decisions have been made. From a survey on the matter in another thread 45% said that threaded view is important. That suggests that DPR should include threaded view as an option in addition to flat view
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That ‘survey’ is flawed, I doubt any decisions will be made on that
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Why is it flawed?
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Leading questions, likely to attract thread fans more. It’s in that thread
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Yes, I do agree. It could have been better formulated 🤷

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Why the Poll was not put up immediately by DPR members?
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My 2C:
  • Do you mostly use Threaded View / you do feel it as the most useful tool for you
  • Do you sometime use Threaded View / you do feel it's a useful tool for you
  • Do you use rarely Threaded View / you find useful to have it available
  • Do you never used threaded view / but it's a nice tool for other members
  • Do you never used threaded view / and you feel it should be not present
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AlainCh2 said:
robert1955 said:
tbcass said:
robert1955 said:
tbcass said:
Mark Ransom said:
jjbinx said:
”storming” ? No, click on the button to cancel account and go without any fuss.
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You're showing up as "(unknown member)" in the threaded view now, so it looks like you didn't wait for the switchover and put your money where your mouth is. Good luck on all your future endeavors.
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Yes it seems premature because no final decisions have been made. From a survey on the matter in another thread 45% said that threaded view is important. That suggests that DPR should include threaded view as an option in addition to flat view
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That ‘survey’ is flawed, I doubt any decisions will be made on that
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Why is it flawed?
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Leading questions, likely to attract thread fans more. It’s in that thread
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Yes, I do agree. It could have been better formulated 🤷

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Why the Poll was not put up immediately by DPR members?
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My 2C:
  • Do you mostly use Threaded View / you do feel it most useful tool for you
  • Do you sometime use Threaded View / you do feel it's a useful tool for you
  • Do you use rarely Threaded View / you find useful to have it available
  • Do you never used threaded view / but it's a nice tool for other members
  • Do you never used threaded view / and you feel it should be not present
( Hope it Help )
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I posted a simple request to vote with a link in relevant threads in the MFT and FE forums, and the non-threaded votes then started to tick up.

It seems like a simple choice set - care a lot, not interested, don’t care either way.

The loaded language could go either way in terms of motivation.

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Look at Gear Patrol. They bought the site to improve sales. So, who are their customers? People who come here to find the best gear for them. They are not people who will post hundreds of threads and require threaded view to be able to participate at the right level.

So, if GP lost 90% of the members, would they really care if the 10% that's left are the ones buying kit through the new forum?

Alan
 
SterlingBjorndahl said:
Dale Baskin said:
Interesting fact: The majority of DPReview forum users actually use the flat view.
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By "users" do you mean "logged in users"? Or simply page hits?

If it's just page hits, then it may be due to casual users getting here by clicking on links from web searches. These may be "read-only" users, not fully engaged, not contributing content, but nevertheless generating ad revenue or clicking on paying links.

If it's "logged in users" then you should be able to crunch the numbers based on how much they write. My hypothesis is that those who write more, i.e. contribute more content in the forums, are the ones who are most passionate about threaded view, and you should be able to test that hypothesis. If I'm right, it will be important for you not to alienate and lose the contributors, because without them there will be less relevant material as time passes for the "read-only" users to find in their web searches and therefore decreasing ad revenue.

Hoping for threaded view :)
Sterling
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When I google, often the links to DPR forums are in flat view, even though my settings is set to threaded. I can get the full context much quicker by setting them to threaded.
 
Maoby said:
Before making any major changes. Why doesn't DPREVIEW offer a series of surveys?

To take the true pulse of the members, so that no one here feels wronged or manipulated.

And to have a sense of belonging and respect.

Unless it's already too late. 🤔
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It looks to be a done deal. I think that DPReview really missed the boat on the forums' 'upgrade.' Judging from this thread, it should be obvious that DPReview has a passionate and loyal user base. And yet, the stakeholders were not included as part of the process to upgrade the forums. Someone in another post said it better than I, but the implementation of the forum changes is not a good example of how best to project manage a change that has a significant impact on end users.
 
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I participate on some other fora that use XenFora software. I don't recall them having any keyboard shortcuts. It is one very handy feature of this old software.

It's worth looking into, anyway, for us "power users". ;-)
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XenForo supports keyboard shortcuts. Do you have a usecase you can toss over and I can check to see if there are associated keyboard shortcuts.
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I use F (back to forum), R (reply w/o quote), Q (reply with quote), and U (toggle upvote) all the time from the list of shortcuts below the list of replies in threaded view when viewed from a computer.

Thanks for replying and taking this job!
 
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Mathew Anderson said:
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I participate on some other fora that use XenFora software. I don't recall them having any keyboard shortcuts. It is one very handy feature of this old software.

It's worth looking into, anyway, for us "power users". ;-)
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XenForo supports keyboard shortcuts. Do you have a usecase you can toss over and I can check to see if there are associated keyboard shortcuts.
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I use F (back to forum), R (reply w/o quote), Q (reply with quote), and U (toggle upvote) all the time from the list of shortcuts below the list of replies in threaded view when viewed from a computer.

Thanks for replying and taking this job!
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I find them very useful as well.

DPR displays some of them here. They're different in threaded and flat views.

This is from flat view

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This is from threaded view. It's larger because threaded view has just one message in focus at any time, and the additional shortcuts relate to that specific message.



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Craig Gillette said:
Will users be encouraged to "maintain" their gear list? Wondering how the gear list might impact internal/external searching?
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I kept my Gear List updated so I could link to it in gear discussions rather than type out all the time what I had previously, what's on my Wish List and what I currently have.

Very handy, when used like that!
 
Ralf B said:
Mathew Anderson said:
We'd appreciate any suggestions you have here for the forums you frequent!
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You have my POV already: One Canon forum., on Nikon forum, one Sony Forum (which is what I frequent frequently), one Pana, one Oly, etc. etc.) - see over at Fred Miranda
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I disagree. I care only about a tiny subset of old Nikon and Sony gear that currently live within their own subforums, and I will not bother looking through a huge collection of posts about other models grouped together just by brand.
 
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Will the present granularity of subforums remain? Will some be combined or split? Will some be added? Will some be removed?

A logical division of subforums that limit the need to search for topics of specific interest is far more important to me than threaded view.
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Look here for a corresponding sub-thread.
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Thanks for the link. But I disagree with this:
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Mathew Anderson said:
We'd appreciate any suggestions you have here for the forums you frequent!
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You have my POV already: One Canon forum., on Nikon forum, one Sony Forum (which is what I frequent frequently), one Pana, one Oly, etc. etc.) - see over at Fred Mira
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I care only about a tiny subset of old Nikon and Sony gear that currently live within their own subforums, and I will not bother looking through a huge collection of posts about other models grouped together just by brand. (I also added that to your subthread.)
 
...you were able to customize the sub-forums shown.

I would delete everything except the five groups that I regularly read.
 
I agree with his disagree.. We have a higher volume of postings and the "pre-sort" of the different sub-types is handy, helps aim a post at the "right" community, and helps with looking to our interest points.
 
With well-structured metadata development and management, it should be possible for users to create their own custom (public and private) forums and sub-forums — essentially consolidating content across existing standard forums (e.g., Nikon landscape techniques) into a personalized, organized structure. I would consider a paid subscription that included such functionality.
 
Hilifer said:
With well-structured metadata development and management, it should be possible for users to create their own custom (public and private) forums and sub-forums — essentially consolidating content across existing standard forums (e.g., Nikon landscape techniques) into a personalized, organized structure. I would consider a paid subscription that included such functionality.
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The tags are currently there, don’t know whether they will be continued, but they really are an unloved child and rarely looked at
 
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...you were able to customize the sub-forums shown.

I would delete everything except the five groups that I regularly read.
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I am currently subscribed to some 5 subforums and new threads in them show up in My notifications page which is where i start a visit
 
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my question: Will DPR "fuse" forums and have a Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pana, etc, etc forum where cameras, lenses, third party stuff, accessories and photos captured with the respective gear will be discussed? Like over at Fred Miranda?
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At launch we would prefer to keep the forums separated.
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Well...I assume that approach makes legacy data migration easier?
I hope that will not turn into an opportunity wasted, then.
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We have gotten several suggestions from the community on forums that could be consolidated afterward though, particularly those that don't have activity anymore. Or possibly a couple of camera model-specific forums that could be merged because activity would be better fit under a broader category,
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Like "brand": That!
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Some new forums will be created as well at launch, such as a DPR specific news forum for important announcements like this one,
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which would require a browser benchmark - no good me thinks. Better:
Why not mark simply mark "DPR specific news" as such on the home page news section?
That would make everyone's life easier, editors and vistors alike....
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a forum specific to DPR frontpage articles,
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Isn't that the current comment section? Why replace that (if not for moderation ;-) but I already pitty the voluntary unpaid mod... )Give yourself a break where possible, guys, drop that extra forum and keep the comments.
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I find the comments as they are rather useless, it is mostly drive-by shooting
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We'd appreciate any suggestions you have here for the forums you frequent!
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You have my POV already: One Canon forum., on Nikon forum, one Sony Forum (which is what I frequent frequently), one Pana, one Oly, etc. etc.) - see over at Fred Miranda
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they don’t bother me, i rarely see the all forums list. I disagree with consolidating on brands. If anything it should be on lensmounts. Admit i don’t know what to do with the lens forums that exist for the big three.
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More POV's: Go and ask within the camera specific forums what they would like.
Cheers,
Ralf
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Smaug….you’re back! Didn’t think I’d see that happen.

Marie
 
Personally, I would be interested in an AI-powered search engine that is able to browse through user posts and summarise these or provide with links to relevant posts. There is a lot of information on the forums.
 
Alan Sh said:
Look at Gear Patrol. They bought the site to improve sales. So, who are their customers? People who come here to find the best gear for them. They are not people who will post hundreds of threads and require threaded view to be able to participate at the right level.

So, if GP lost 90% of the members, would they really care if the 10% that's left are the ones buying kit through the new forum?

Alan
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You make a point, but if it's true then why does the site have so many ads?
 
Michel van Lint said:
Personally, I would be interested in an AI-powered search engine that is able to browse through user posts and summarise these or provide with links to relevant posts. There is a lot of information on the forums.
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There's more to the site than information. Losing the human element would make it totally uninteresting.
 
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