Guess we will all just have to wait and see. I wish them the best, but if I were a betting man would bet good money on this being the final nail in the dpr coffin. It is already so far down from what it was even recently that it won't take much more of a reduction in participation to make it not worth the time.
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M4Mobility
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feelings .... ok.
Mbruinsma
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Good to read about dwell time tactics. If they dwell my time too much I just leave, like I did with the official website of Formula One - from easy on the eye to clutter.
richj20
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Not an issue here. I use the short cuts (N, W, R, Q) and response is always almost instant.I was thinking perhaps slowness was a server issue rather than software.Well, seeing how slow this forum reacts sometimes, it will be a delight to come to a new forum software. I can't wait. Get it done.
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Quarkcharmed
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The DPR forum engine is not user-friendly by modern standards - I appreciate many people got used to it and got attached to it, but it is really outdated. The desktop version lacks many important features, the mobile version lacks some important controls present in the desktop version etc. etc.
The highly regarded (for unknown reason) threaded view is the worst implementation I've seen on the web. Compare it to Reddit. on DPR, you can only see one message displayed on the top, you don't see the context and previous messages, and in order to navigate or check where you are, you have to scroll down quite a bit.
The list goes on, I won't bother you with details you already know.
Ken53
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Hi Alan, I agree, the few times it was slow is likely hardware. Software acts differently.
Ken53
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You might want to get up to speed on the Threads, then you would know I asked the DPR staff two questions directly, and they chose to not reply on either. Your cliches really don't make your point. Try using the Thread View, it will get in the loop faster.On the other hand, someone could say they hope your negative attitude towards management is incorrect
The concept of trust does not apply. Would you not agree that waiting for facts before forming expressing an opinion is a sound method ?
To do otherwise risks being mistaken for a prominent politician
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Quarkcharmed
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For a user it may be impossible to distinguish whether it's slow hardware or software on the backend, or combination of both, or just too many concurrent users.
Hike Pics
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I'm preparing to say "Hello" to the new site.
There seems to be a good bit of updates going forward, a few I'm glad to see....finally! The back-n-forth threaded/flattened thing is really going nowhere. Whatever the update brings as far as that is concerned is probably a small thing in the grand plan of the build.
I think it is very premature and unfair to diss the DPR plan right now.
There seems to be a good bit of updates going forward, a few I'm glad to see....finally! The back-n-forth threaded/flattened thing is really going nowhere. Whatever the update brings as far as that is concerned is probably a small thing in the grand plan of the build.
I think it is very premature and unfair to diss the DPR plan right now.
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For a "normal" user I agree with you, but DPR Pillars are all Tech guys.
People that deal with a lot of known variables habitually,
to make decision based on REAL VALUES.
I've been in IT then net + NET - My guess ? > it's a net issue here -
( BAD data connection or insufficient throughputs for the servers )
I understood his comment to be of the "educated guess" type ....feelings .... ok.
I have no idea of how it all works BUT given that it can slow drammaticaly down at times but is fast at others, I don't see how outdated/faulty software can do that.
To wit...I play games on a very well known platform. Works great at the moment but a few weeks ago they had a huge tournament on (I don't play against others on line...) so it was either VERY slow or impossible to load the main page and in particular that game . Nothing else has changed .
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Quarkcharmed
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As a tech guy with a lot of experience with backend servers, I have no idea why DPR is slow to respond sometimes. I can list a few possible culprits but wouldn't dare to pinpoint a single root cause. In this case I'm just a user with no access to the forum backend, so I have very little information to start with.
Also, software vs hardware debate is moot.
Or their database is slow to respond, and/or not enough resources allocated for their VM, or...
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Greetings and salutations, DPReview community!
It’s an honor to join such a great and long-standing community. You have a special place in the world of digital photography here in the forums, one that is worth keeping prosperous and encouraging new growth. I can see why so many of you have been contributing to discussions for years now.
Fun fact, I actually bought my first digital camera, Sony’s Cybershot DSC-H9B, based on a DPReview article all the way back in 2007. It lasted me several years, getting me through trips around the world. I was this close to being a community forum contributor, but alas, other things kept me on a different path… until now!
As I continue to settle in and work with the DPReview team and moderators, I hope that you all can help me become acquainted with how you see the community and what you want more of from our team. This includes any interests outside of the forums.
Please feel free to DM me anytime. Happy to answer any Qs you have in this thread as well.
Thanks Community!
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Mathew Anderson • dpreview Admin • Posts: 495Re: Big news! Meet DPReview's new Community ManagerIn reply to Dale Baskin • 2 months ago 27
Thanks Dale for the introduction.
Greetings and salutations, DPReview community!
It’s an honor to join such a great and long-standing community. You have a special place in the world of digital photography here in the forums, one that is worth keeping prosperous and encouraging new growth. I can see why so many of you have been contributing to discussions for years now.
Fun fact, I actually bought my first digital camera, Sony’s Cybershot DSC-H9B, based on a DPReview article all the way back in 2007. It lasted me several years, getting me through trips around the world. I was this close to being a community forum contributor, but alas, other things kept me on a different path… until now!
As I continue to settle in and work with the DPReview team and moderators, I hope that you all can help me become acquainted with how you see the community and what you want more of from our team. This includes any interests outside of the forums.
Please feel free to DM me anytime. Happy to answer any Qs you have in this thread as well.
Thanks Community!
Quarkcharmed
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Easy. Not scalable outdated architecture that doesn't handle multiple concurrent requests over a certain threshold.I understood his comment to be of the "educated guess" type ....feelings .... ok.
I have no idea of how it all works BUT given that it can slow drammaticaly down at times but is fast at others, I don't see how outdated/faulty software can do that.
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This "dwell time" concept can also lose you customers. When you find it too difficult to find your way to what you want, or when you find the shop has moved the item you seek to a new location, it can cause frustration and even anger causing you to lose a customer completely.
Far too many web sites fall into that latter situation. Brick and mortar stores not so much, but too much stuff blocking aisles does fall into that category.
Far too many web sites fall into that latter situation. Brick and mortar stores not so much, but too much stuff blocking aisles does fall into that category.
Craig Gillette
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I hate the reshuffling. It's a huge labor effort so it must result, they hope, in increased sales. My wife grocery shops a discount market that might have somewhat lower selections but has good prices. She has her pattern through the grocery store down to a science. She hates if I come with her, I slow her down browsing, etc.
I repeat buy our "bigger box" store for us and for my wife's parents. I get that stuff first, If I burn my planned time searching for repeat items, I don't have any to waste browsing.
If casual shopping, not as big a problem or if trying to work out gifts, meh, OK.
If we get a reshuffle, I can live with it if I can get it figured out quickly and I'd expect it's a one time thing. Unlike grocery shopping, etc., I don't have to be here.
I repeat buy our "bigger box" store for us and for my wife's parents. I get that stuff first, If I burn my planned time searching for repeat items, I don't have any to waste browsing.
If casual shopping, not as big a problem or if trying to work out gifts, meh, OK.
If we get a reshuffle, I can live with it if I can get it figured out quickly and I'd expect it's a one time thing. Unlike grocery shopping, etc., I don't have to be here.
Ken53
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It's the odds of what is causing slowdowns. Of course no one can say 100% for sure about many things in life. This is just a conversation. Setting up and maintaining servers is what I did for 15 years. We can't troubleshoot from DPR's forum.
That being said, playing the odds today, my money would be betting on the hardware as the weak link. Let's face facts, Amazon had like a zillion more users than we have today. Odds are not likely we reached its user limits. The software is not the weak link in this case. Software doesn't wear out. Give any software the proper hardware it will function consistently indefinitely. Amazon today could take this software install it on their original servers, and this software would run this website like a rocket.
No disrespect meant to our present hosts. Money is always every company's hurdle. Amazon can't afford to own a military to equal our US. Every company has limits. This is normal and OK. This company kept DPR smooth running this whole time. We should be thankful for that.
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SoCalAngler
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Regarding the slowdowns, I have noticed that different browsers often produce different behavior with respect to loading different posts as well as making posts. I tend to use Firefox as my principle browser. I have had incidences of slow loading when clicking on a new post where it was taking some time in Firefox but if I moved over to Safari I can click through three or for posts, including the one I was trying to load with Firefox, rapidly while Firefox is still loading the first one. This on a Mac but also on an iPad.Easy. Not scalable outdated architecture that doesn't handle multiple concurrent requests over a certain threshold.I understood his comment to be of the "educated guess" type ....feelings .... ok.
I have no idea of how it all works BUT given that it can slow drammaticaly down at times but is fast at others, I don't see how outdated/faulty software can do that.
I have several old Mac Minis with different linux distributions installed and observed the same behavior. Pages sometimes load slowly in one browser but much more quickly in another. I have thought there may be something associated with browser configuration but haven't bothered to dig in.
Ken53
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We are all different, life is short. Why are you still here? No disrespect. There is site out there that should meet your expectations.
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