tbcass
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It's a bit closed minded to dismiss the fact that many of us prefer threaded view and yes strongly dislike flat view.
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19andrew47
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The title says it all!
Tell me it will be threaded view as it has been! We all want to hear it in a clear answer. If you don't have it, you might as well pack it in because the active membership will be gone!
There is no easy polite way to say this!
Fess up and spill the beans!
Put us all out of our misery, PLEASE!
Andrew
Tell me it will be threaded view as it has been! We all want to hear it in a clear answer. If you don't have it, you might as well pack it in because the active membership will be gone!
There is no easy polite way to say this!
Fess up and spill the beans!
Put us all out of our misery, PLEASE!
Andrew
tbcass
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Such threats are necessary to emphasize how important threaded view is to us.
tbcass
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Believe it. Remember it took me 20 years to get those 64000 posts so it's not that many per day.For someone with 64,000 posts, I'll put that statement in the I'll believe it when I see it box.
Very often the old way is the best.
Sagittarius
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With this philosophy progress would never happen. :-(Believe it. Remember it took me 20 years to get those 64000 posts so it's not that many per day.For someone with 64,000 posts, I'll put that statement in the I'll believe it when I see it box.
Very often the old way is the best.
Craig Gillette
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I'll use flat now and then on image threads, It's easier to scroll and see the images, even if a bit out of order or in several pages.
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The exception, a rather big one in this case, disproves the assertion.
Reminds me of the scene in Spinal Tap where the manager describes Boston as “Not much of a college town”.
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anotherMike
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I wasn't going to chime in, but will.
Disclaimer first: I *am* an admitted hot head. There are, and have been times, I need to be muted and I admit it. I have extremely low tolerance for incompetency as well as posters whose only purpose is to troll or agitate. And I'm aware of this - I'm trying (hard) to be better.
My thoughts as to improving the community are as follows.
Thanks for reading. I still keep contributing here, even after several colleagues and a hell of a lot of very photographers over a lot of years tell me I'm wasting my time. Perhaps I'm an eternal optimist that it will get better.
-mike
Disclaimer first: I *am* an admitted hot head. There are, and have been times, I need to be muted and I admit it. I have extremely low tolerance for incompetency as well as posters whose only purpose is to troll or agitate. And I'm aware of this - I'm trying (hard) to be better.
My thoughts as to improving the community are as follows.
- Threaded view is a non-negotiable MUST HAVE for this forum community. If the system you are moving to can't provide it, look elsewhere. There is nothing to talk about here.
- The biggest problem of the forum community is the noise. I suggest that up votes as well as down votes on a post AND on a member are valuable. I'd almost say a scoring system of a contributors value would be worthwhile.
- The above is tangled up with what I would term inconsistent and often highly biased moderation.
- I've spent 20+ minutes constructing a well thought out, if terse, reply that didn't deprecate the targeted individual, but because I masked out one of your forbidden words (that even a pastor friend of mine uses, BTW, in one of its forms), my post was removed. Yet in a post a year ago, I was personally attacked in replies by two posters and if you looked at their history - they never contribute - they only attack, and those posts were never removed. Point being - how do you think I felt about the *time* I spent trying to contribute well? And how often do you think I just say "the hell with it" knowing anything I write that even nudges at the lightest edge of possibly hurting someones feelings is going to be removed. There's a balance here. There's a lot of nonsense being passed as fact in the photography-forum-world, and that doesn't help anyone.
- And let's ease up on the forbidden words. When the word for a person who represents a product (starts with S and ends with hill) is banned, that's absolutely ridiculous. Obviously strong language should be muted, but this place is so frustratingly tight it's laughable.
- The point of the prior bullet point is simple: How, and at what level, you decide to moderate is up to the owners of the site - it's your site, we just talk here. But for the love of the holy, please be consistent and please think long and hard about looking at moderator decisions and root out the bias. I could name a couple who have absolutely no business being moderators, and I could wrangle up half a dozen long terms forum members who would agree. You have work to do in the moderation department. A lot of it.
- I've spent 20+ minutes constructing a well thought out, if terse, reply that didn't deprecate the targeted individual, but because I masked out one of your forbidden words (that even a pastor friend of mine uses, BTW, in one of its forms), my post was removed. Yet in a post a year ago, I was personally attacked in replies by two posters and if you looked at their history - they never contribute - they only attack, and those posts were never removed. Point being - how do you think I felt about the *time* I spent trying to contribute well? And how often do you think I just say "the hell with it" knowing anything I write that even nudges at the lightest edge of possibly hurting someones feelings is going to be removed. There's a balance here. There's a lot of nonsense being passed as fact in the photography-forum-world, and that doesn't help anyone.
Thanks for reading. I still keep contributing here, even after several colleagues and a hell of a lot of very photographers over a lot of years tell me I'm wasting my time. Perhaps I'm an eternal optimist that it will get better.
-mike
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I briefly looked at the example forums that were suggested. The layout does not look entirely flat to me. Replies are indented under the parent post. It seems like a cross between DPR flat and threaded views. I could be wrong.
My only gripe with DPR is the performance. That would be significant if it's improved.
My only gripe with DPR is the performance. That would be significant if it's improved.
Craig Gillette
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In "Threaded" I can scroll through a single long page and see names, times, titles, connections/threads. In "Flat" there are apparantly 9 pages that could be scrolled through and need digest each post to fsee if it might be the one I wanted.
If I wanted, I can find all my posts with a single rundown. If one of you remembered something I said, you could leave here, go to my profile call up my posts list and try to sort through that. Or, in threaded. scroll quickly down, once again.
If I wanted, I can find all my posts with a single rundown. If one of you remembered something I said, you could leave here, go to my profile call up my posts list and try to sort through that. Or, in threaded. scroll quickly down, once again.
OLEF641
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After wading through many of the posts here, it is obvious to me that threading is of paramount importance to many of the users, me being one of them. While I understand the need to migrate from the current system, it is obvious that losing threading will decimate the user base, resulting in a precipitous drop in advertising revenue, ultimately making the site unsustainable.
Please consider placing the transition on hold until the developers at the new software company can actually implement threading, which I believe was mentioned as something that would "eventually" be added. Changing DPReview to something without threading being in place would be a lot like shooting it in a vital area, sending it into extremely critical condition, and hoping it will live long enough in the ICU to eventually attract the user base it needs to survive.
Lynne
Please consider placing the transition on hold until the developers at the new software company can actually implement threading, which I believe was mentioned as something that would "eventually" be added. Changing DPReview to something without threading being in place would be a lot like shooting it in a vital area, sending it into extremely critical condition, and hoping it will live long enough in the ICU to eventually attract the user base it needs to survive.
Lynne
Mark Ransom
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If you don't have threaded views on the day you switch over, I won't be coming back.
InkedMarie
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this is how I view DPR but have no idea if it’s flat or threaded
Billiam29
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I frequent both the forums here as well as other forums based on XenForo with their “flat” views. I honestly don't have any good/bad or better/worse opinions between the two types of presentations. Some forums present things one way while other forums just do it differently. That's the extent to which I personally consider the matter. As long as I can read what I want, I don't really care.
As far as being able to follow conversations within a post goes, there is certainly an argument to be made that a threaded view will facilitate that better. I'll leave the magnitude of such arguments down to personal preferences. I've personally never found it an issue to follow conversations in a flat view forum as long as people follow the simple etiquette of quoting the post they're replying to. Then it's just a different type of “reading” involved to follow along.
As far as being able to follow conversations within a post goes, there is certainly an argument to be made that a threaded view will facilitate that better. I'll leave the magnitude of such arguments down to personal preferences. I've personally never found it an issue to follow conversations in a flat view forum as long as people follow the simple etiquette of quoting the post they're replying to. Then it's just a different type of “reading” involved to follow along.
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well said
DPReview has been designed wonderfully
now they are about to rip apart what we love
and make us confused and scroll endlessly...
InkedMarie
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Thank you Ozzie. No threaded view will have me saying ciao
Marie
Wow, Sixty One Likes and counting! This speaks volumes! I hope they pay attention!
sludge21017
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I just tried threaded. I've seen it before via google search and perhaps not being logged in. YUCK.
Back to flat for me!
Stan Disbrow
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Hi,
Like we used to do here. Was originally only flat view. And every DSLR was discussed in the Pro Digital Talk forum. No brand DSLR forums. It all evolved. I spent a lot of time moving threads as the brand forums were created back then.
It was all an evolution. Things were added, removed, altered. And threaded view was one of those evolutionary changes.
Stan
Like we used to do here. Was originally only flat view. And every DSLR was discussed in the Pro Digital Talk forum. No brand DSLR forums. It all evolved. I spent a lot of time moving threads as the brand forums were created back then.
It was all an evolution. Things were added, removed, altered. And threaded view was one of those evolutionary changes.
Stan
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